Lets punish people who int after they ruin a few games, cuz ya know, someone might just be having a bad game! Even tho chat logs and the lvl 6 0/12 nunu at 16 mins speaks for itself, nah its okay.
BUT GOD HELP YOU IF YOU FLAME THEM YOU ARE INSTANTLY PUNISHED.
Just riot things, the pursuit of a safespace on the internet in lieu of maintaining a competitive environment.
Honestly riot, what the heck are you thinking? https://gyazo.com/5d051c94dec8ccead2ec0d2760a28637
Jo0o9 votesdeep breath
It is infinitely easier to evaluate chat logs than it is to differentiate between bad game/lag/noobishness/skill mismatch. Intentional feeding often requires a manual review rather than an automated evaluation.
OMGuGUYS1 votesdeep breath
It is infinitely easier to evaluate chat logs than it is to differentiate between bad game/lag/noobishness/skill mismatch. Intentional feeding often requires a manual review rather than an automated evaluation.
Yes, but being you can tell that someone is inting without any chatlogs by looking at the scoreboard. 0/12, severly underleveled, as a laner. That means they didnt spend time in exp range, they just walked to lane and died. They were not in any situation where they earned exp, like someone afking.
OMGuGUYS2 votesalso, just cuz "its easier" shoudlnt be a viable excuse when it comes to peoples account.
Jo0o7 votesIt's perfectly reasonable. You've possibly experienced swift justice because of how easy flaming is to detect. This possible intentional feeder has perhaps not yet done so because that's harder to establish.
Jo0o6 votesWhich could also mean most of the options I mentioned. They could have been forced off of XP range due to being outskilled, lagging, terrible at the game, etc.
I looked at the dude's profile on op.gg, and his account has been inactive since s5. The account could have been sold or hacked, or the guy could have returned from years away and simply had no idea wtf was going on. Without knowing what was said in chat that game, if I was a Riot employee, I'd need to do some digging to figure out what happened.
Regardless, flaming him was a bad idea for any number of reasons.
General Esdeath 1 votesor got zoned by someone oppressive early. I often give up a good amount of exp/gold when facing Pantheon.
Telephone Booth1 votes[{quoted}](name=Cv Anthem,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7mKNy0Ms,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-01-01T17:33:48.244+0000)
Yes, but being you can tell that someone is inting without any chatlogs by looking at the scoreboard. 0/12, severly underleveled, as a laner. That means they didnt spend time in exp range, they just walked to lane and died. They were not in any situation where they earned exp, like someone afking.
I get your point... like yes, there are times where it SHOULD be obvious. But Riot can't realistically hire people specifically to look for players not taking the game seriously. Millions of hours of footage to comb through. (Okay that's a made up number, but think of how many people play this game and how quick they are to report feeders who may just be having bad games).
In the end, I totally understand and think you're right, they should find a way to detect trolls and inters a little more efficiently. But you gotta be realistic.
Your approach makes it seem as if you couldn't possibly comprehend why they would have trouble catching these things, and tbh it just makes you look like a very simple minded, non-critical thinking person who looks at the surface and doesn't even attempt to find reasons. Like you just instantly go to the most absurd reasoning. Try to have some understanding.
Think of the times where Smurfs are playing and they do the level 2 gank, hang out in bush and gank again when you TP back to lane. You're fucked as an inexperienced player. They aren't gonna lay off. They're gonna drive you into the ground and you can't even step foot away from your tower. Even staying under tower, they continue to dive you as your team does nothing to help... all they see is a worthless feeder. There are times where scoreboard can be misleading.
LostFr0st5 votesVerified inting results in a 14-day ban even if there are no previous punishments on the account.
Both gameplay and chat negativity are punished and equally not ok.
OMGuGUYS1 votesthats cool except it dosent. Only repeat offenses get punished, where as toxicity reports get instantly punished. Other team usually wont report an inter cuz hey, he gave them a free win and a boosted kda. But "report khaz for being toxic" likely ends up in khaz getting reported, even if the other team never saw the khaz speak.
LostFr0st5 votes[{quoted}](name=Cv Anthem,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7mKNy0Ms,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-01-01T17:31:49.999+0000)
thats cool except it dosent. Only repeat offenses get punished, where as toxicity reports get instantly punished. Other team usually wont report an inter cuz hey, he gave them a free win and a boosted kda.
Don't need them to report the inter. A single report is required to flag the game for review. More reports don't add to that bro; no need to ask for them.
But "report khaz for being toxic" likely ends up in khaz getting reported, even if the other team never saw the khaz speak.
Reporting Kha just results in Riot looking over Kha's chat logs for that game. If nothing is there then Riot throws out the report since it's invalid.
Ellis Dee2 votesthis never happens
LostFr0st3 votesOMGuGUYS2 votesyes except it dosent happen as they say it does.
LostFr0st6 votesMay I ask what is meant by that?
There are threads from actual players complaining that they got banned for inting, justifying it through "X stole my lane" or "Y was toxic and called me -----" or even "I didn't get banned for doing this last season."
Truth is that inting and trolling detection have improved by a ton this year, and continue to improve which results in more bans and more people being sent a message that it's not ok to ruin games.
Reporting inters/trollers accurately and objectively (i.e. count to ten after the game and then add in the report comment box why we know the guy was actually trolling/inting and then list the behaviours) helps Riot to make the detection system better.
Ellis Dee1 votesfutile effort at best.
Jo0o7 votesIt's kinda bizarre to me that a guy going by "Utopian Society" sticks around the forums to perpetuate an all-is-lost, god-is-dead mentality.
General Esdeath 1 votesIronic
General Esdeath 1 votesI didn't know we could search like that
undesirable team3 votesc h a t l o g s
OMGuGUYS1 votesYes, I realize the canned response here is "theres never any circumstance in which flaming is acceptable. It will not improve the situation, so if you cant say anything nice dont say anything!"
True, yeah, agreed. Except we're all humans, this is an online game, and if you honestly think that, you arent really in touch with reality. Can you tell me with 100% honesty that you are perfectly okay with having people intentionally ruin a game for 8-9 other people, and you have never said anything negative to one of those people? Honestly?
Riot, you gotta take humanity into consideration.
Jo0o4 votesI'm 100% NOT okay with it, but I also learned to not feed trolls back in like 2005.
LostFr0st2 votes[{quoted}](name=Cv Anthem,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7mKNy0Ms,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-01-01T17:29:36.827+0000)
True, yeah, agreed. Except we're all humans, this is an online game, and if you honestly think that, you arent really in touch with reality. **Can you tell me with 100% honesty that you are perfectly okay with having people intentionally ruin a game for 8-9 other people, and you have never said anything negative to one of those people? Honestly? **
The 14-day ban they get seems to indicate otherwise. It escalates to Perma if they do it again.
Kei1433 votesdepends on what you define an inter is.
It'll depend on the gameplay in that game compared to their regular games.
There has to be a clear intention of causing grief for them to get punished. Feeding alone is not inting.
If they just super bad .. then they just super bad. Can't tell from a KDA / minute alone.
ModThe Djinn6 votes[{quoted}](name=Cv Anthem,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7mKNy0Ms,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-01-01T17:29:36.827+0000)True, yeah, agreed. Except we're all humans, this is an online game, and if you honestly think that, you arent really in touch with reality. Can you tell me with 100% honesty that you are perfectly okay with having people intentionally ruin a game for 8-9 other people, and you have never said anything negative to one of those people? Honestly?
I can 100% say I have never flamed them or insulted them, although I may have said 1-2 slightly negative things, which the system normally allows if it happens occasionally.
There's a difference between "Knock off the feeding please, Nunu. You're ruining the damn game" once every dozen games or so, and insulting/flaming/harassing/asking for reports for the entire rest of the game.
Ellis Dee1 votesriot even gave you a gold star to show off what an angel you are on the forums, how special.
Ellis Dee1 votesit sucks because you know the game is a waste of time and you have to find a way to not afk still because the leaverbuster will get you as well. so it's really just 45 minutes of your life gone and a potential risk to further waste of time or losing a valuable account for utterly no reason at all and there is nothing you can do about it.
TheProfezzor1 votesWhy flame them? Just report and move on. It's annoying and a waste of time I get it, but flaming other allows for yourself to be punished too.