The death of ranked queue at the hands of a safe enviornment

OMGuGUYS·Dec 5, 2017·8 votes·709 views

Once upon a time, Riot decided to veer from the path of maintaining a competitive atmosphere and quality gameplay in lieu of maintaining a safespace where people were allowed to (unintentionally, sometimes intentionally) ruin games by joining ranked freely and being unable to perform at standards that would even allow them to compete against beginner bots successfully.

was gonna write a whole thing but got bored.

tl;dr riot has no clue what they are doing, and would rather ban people for getting angry than for ruining games both intentionally and intentionally.

People with 40% winrate after 50+ games should be required to win 10 games with a positive 50% winrate in draft, the same way old ranked restrictions used to work. There is no reason that bad players should be allowed to ruin games for people who actively try to win.

This would be be a beneficial solution for both sides of the coin, new players would be allowed to learn in a learning environment, and ranked play would come with an incentive to perform, increasing game quality across the board.

Disclaimer:

Yes i realize its preseason. Yes, I am a tad salty, thanks for noticing, you saying it really accomplishes alot! Even if it IS preseason, the number of players who "arent trying cuz its preseason" is staggering. The preseason DOES effect the mmr of the upcoming season, and it should be considered greifing to join ranked without any positive intent in mind.

Normal queues exist for a reason, if you want to have fun, thats the place for it. Some of us care about ranked, and dont have the time nor patience to entertain you.

-Cv Anthem (Yes i did just receive a ban for flaming a garen who intentionally lost a game by refusing to move for the entirety of the game)

You can mute me, I cant remove you from the game. Whos the real toxic one?

38 Comments

Jo0oDec 5, 20174 votes

Bad players hemmorage LP and lose rank quick, isn't that enough of a moderating force?

You're inevitably gonna lose some games due to trolling, which will suck. But you're gonna win those games back due to trolls on the other side of the river, too.

LyndrisDec 5, 20171 votes

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You're inevitably gonna lose some games due to trolling, which will suck. But you're gonna win those games back due to trolls on the other side of the river, too.

That is actually a brilliant point, it had never occurred to me. But I don't play ranked so...

OMGuGUYSDec 5, 20171 votes

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Bad players hemmorage LP and lose rank quick, isn't that enough of a moderating force?

You're inevitably gonna lose some games due to trolling, which will suck. But you're gonna win those games back due to trolls on the other side of the river, too.

Not as much as it used to be. Now that losses are refunded in promo series, even bad players have less of a chance to decline than they used to, its alot less punishing than it used to be.

BettnachlegerDec 6, 20171 votes

Now that losses are refunded in promo series

What? Source plz

KarunamonDec 5, 20173 votes

..rather ban people for getting angry than for ruining games both intentionally and intentionally.

Detecting flame automatically is about a billion times easier than detecting int vs low skill.

There is no reason that bad players should be allowed to ruin games for people who actively try to win.

Wouldn't those bad players naturally wind up at the bottom of the ladder?

Yes i did just receive a ban for flaming

Ah, now the thread makes sense. Not a chat restrict, a ban. Which means you were being *phobic or encouraging suicide, or had this happen to you twice before.

OMGuGUYSDec 5, 20171 votes

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Detecting flame automatically is about a billion times easier than detecting int vs low skill.

Wouldn't those bad players naturally wind up at the bottom of the ladder?

Ah, now the thread makes sense. Not a chat restrict, a ban. Which means you were being *phobic or encouraging suicide, or had this happen to you twice before.

1 and 2: True, but now with the new introduction of loss forgivness and bonus wins in series, its alot harder to tank divisions than it used to be; as well as the inibility to report people for lack of skill. While I agree there is a difference between unskilled and intentional feeding, you should know that you arent good enough to compete competently in ranked, and make the intentional choice to join ranked, then feed because you arent good, you arent neccessarily a good person. If you know ur going to do poorly and bring your team down, but still decide to join anyway, thats toxic; you are ruining 9 other peoples games. To me, thats alot more toxic than criticizing people via chat.

BettnachlegerDec 6, 20171 votes

But ... without this bad players in the ladder ... you would be the worst of the worst lol And the other people (gold+?!)would say shit like "you're too bad, you're toxic because you're bad, go play botgames" to you ;D

Bad players are at the bottom of the ladder. That's how a fucking ladder works.

MindspeakerDec 5, 20173 votes

[{quoted}](name=Cv Anthem,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=pazHEQLQ,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-12-05T02:45:26.351+0000) Once upon a time, Riot decided to veer from the path of maintaining a competitive atmosphere and quality gameplay in lieu of maintaining a safespace where people were allowed to (unintentionally, sometimes intentionally) ruin games by joining ranked freely and being unable to perform at standards that would even allow them to compete against beginner bots successfully.

Ohh look a person ranting about ranked..... and how everyone should play according to how they think it is... and what they think the requierments should be and how they should be able to react etc etc etc ....yawwwwwnnnnnn....

over 3 years of this ...and people wonder why I copy paste sooo

without further ado ...here is the copy paste for rank ranters...

First of all anyone is free to play any champ in any role with any strategy. Champ select is not trolling in any way at any time

WookieeCookie (NA) - 8 months ago

Let’s re-iterate our stance from before:

Q: Can I get banned for choosing a champion or strategy that is outside the current meta?

A: 100% no. Choosing a champion or strategy outside of the current meta is not a factor we take into account when reviewing accounts. On any given day tens of thousands of players are making unusual picks in the game and they’ll never receive penalties in any form.

Please don't bring up singed or numu...what happened there at the very most was a EXCEPTION to the rule it does not in any way invalidate the above

No your quote but it another misconception of players joining solo que .....

it`s all about being a team and play as 5

If you go into solo que expecting that it will have the same cohesiveness and team play as a premade there is your problem right there ... here is why

That is one of the reasons mute is so good . People stress out too much over what everyone elese is doing instead doing .

Its actually quite common to even have to ping mute some pme because they are stressing out tooo much,

These are the _ACTUAL FACTS _of random que:

People will not have the same views as you
They will not take ranked as a serious as you. Some actually realize this is just a VIDEO GAME
Some people play ranked because its more worthwhile than normal I really could care less about rank "prestige" or "LP"

Example: some people play ranked because at the very least they get free skin and ward at the end ... do they get that playing normal ...nooo you get nothing, So why would they ?

I actually have fun win OR lose , even if there is a feeder or afk if we are getting stomped or doing the stomping and I ALWAYS vote no. I don't play ranked to listen to someone stress out like losing a game is the end of the universe . Its a video game the point is to HAVE FUN actually playing the game not just the outcome ..yes again even in ranked. Some time you win some times you lose LP constantly fluctuates so don't stress about it as long as you have fun you are always a winner.

There are legitimate toxic people who join games for the sole purpose of ruining it for others ( intentional feeders, afk, verbal abuse etc ) you cant get away from them. Its mind boggling some who choose to spend their time ruining other people games but there are some really immature uncivilized people in this world that will log on to do just that. You just have to assume your going to get one when you hit the solo que button and prepare for it . If you don't its a bonus,
Riot does not enforce Meta or champ " roles" or strategy in any mode at any level.
There is no "unskilled" if you don't like how someone is playing its is up to YOU to leave solo que not anyone else ,
Riot themselves have stated that no one would ever be punished for non meta non role champ choice.

That means anyone is free to play any champ in any role at any time that is NOT being a troll breaking the summoners code,

you are also allowed to play " 1st time champs" in ranked as well.
Also there is no refusing to communicate - so someone who doesn't listen to you is not being a troll either . No one will be punished for muting the team and not speaking in chat so if you think you can report someone for refusing to communicate your wrong. they are NOT doing anything breaking the summoners code or riots rules either

Riot Tantram (NA) - 2 years ago

A report flags a game for review. They do not establish guilt. The game is then reviewed for harassment, feeding, etc. This is why 'troll reporting' or 'gang reporting' do not work. False or inaccurate reports are thrown out.

You cannot ever be punished for saying nothing . unless of course it's for something gameplay related like feeding, afking or cheating. But, you can never be punished for offensive language, hate speech or verbal abuse if you said nothing.

[{quoted}](name=Cv Anthem,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=pazHEQLQ,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-12-05T02:45:26.351+0000) You can mute me, I cant remove you from the game. Whos the real toxic one?

Actually you can remove them form YOUR game by stopping to play in solo que and just playing with premades.

Seriously if you can't handle all those factors and you keep joining solo que you and your own choices are the problem so stop trying to shift the blame for YOUR displeasure on to other people when you keep choosing to play with random people

In other words...

If you want a "serious team"
if you want team that plays like their lives depend on it .
If you want to play meta
if you want to have a coordinated team that communicates the way a pre made or pro team does.

here is the simple solution

stop playing with random people if it s stressing you out and jsut play with a premade team you "know will play to your standard and with your views on the game" in.. There is a premade option for a reason.

*Solo que Ranked ( or any mode for that matter)

is great if your definition of "fun" does not rest on the status or out come of the game but the enjoyment of simply "playing" the game regardless of what is happening during it.

If you can have fun during a game regardless if there are afk's or intentional feeders then they lose all power, winning is great everyone likes winning also if you have fun during the game the losses are still enjoyable.

( again ....no "fun" is not restricted to just normal.... anyone can join any solo que for any reason)

Simply put Some players simply play ranked not because they care about "ranked prestige" but because it is more "profitable" than playing normal.... for example would someone get a champ / ward skin from playing normal all year ...no ...they would get nothing but the "normal rewards" you get form playing any match.

so solo que is a good "fit " for that type of player

Now on the other hand if a player is taking the game to the epic level of seriousness making the outcome of the game , your rank your lp your ONLY source of enjoyment.

If you take that type of player and then they willingly and intentionally join a match with random people

You are basically spinning a roulette wheel

On that wheel are

"serious people " like above
legitimate jerks and thinking of ways they are going to intentionally destroy the match,
People that may not take game as seriously as you
People who just want to rage and verbally abuse peole for fun
a legitimate "bad player" ( the not reportable kind)
there are probably more player type examples as well

Now if you take that and look at probability factors

The chances of the "serious player" getting 4 other "serious people " is very low

and

The probability of getting "bad people" something simply "going wrong" or even something that you simply wont like

Is higher than the probability of getting 4 other serious people

So knowing those odds why would anyone taking taking the game to that level of seriousness be surprised when you spin the wheel and lose and things don't turn out they way they think they should?

So really taking all of this into account if you REALLY want to talk about player responsibility it up to each individual player to choose the option that is the best fit for them.

ReySolomonDec 5, 20172 votes

What you said about ranked actually sounds good but let's see what others think.

MindspeakerDec 5, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Cv Anthem,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=pazHEQLQ,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-12-05T02:45:26.351+0000)

tl;dr riot has no clue what they are doing, and would rather ban people for getting angry than for ruining games both intentionally and intentionally.

Actually they know exactly what they are doing. there is no justification for combating negativity with more negativity in a video game.

If you are getting angry at the status or outcome of a video game that is a personal issue dealing with emotional stability / anger management. It has nothing to do with Riot , the game , Competitive, legitimate rule breakers or anything else you can come up with.

Sooooooo here is a bonus cut and paste for you to explain this whole concept.

If someone intentionally feeds/ afk etc and you flame them for it

you deserve to be punishing just as much as they do.

If someone calls you every name in the book and makes up some new ones -- and you respond

you deserve to be punished just as much as they do.

If someone simply isn't answering your pings , chat or playing the way you think they should and you "call them out"

You deserve to be punished

It does not matter "why" you did it ...the fact is you did . That's the only think that matters in the above cases.

No matter what game mode your in certain things just are not allowed reacting to anything you dont like in game is one of the things not allowed,

In other words you ( according to Riots behavioral policy) have no right to

be verbally abusive/ verbally offesive
react or "defend yourself" against others being verbally abusive
chastise those legitimately breaking the rules
Chastise those who you don't agree with
complain about anything
Rant about any personal grievance in the game
giving any type of negative commentary regarding whats happening in the game
Doing any of the above can lead to various punishments including permaban's

So here is the lessons you should take from this on the mature and civilized way to handle things which will also ensure you are following Riots behavioral guidelines

So yes if someone is saying the most vile insults to you ever spoken,

the proper action according to Riot is mute and report without any response including " report x or i'm muting you"

If any amount of people are breaking every game play rule in the book

The proper action according to Riot is ignore them don't respond with anything -- even "report x"

yes you might lose a match and some lP if in ranked its still just a video game and not a serious life or death situation if you do.

and really---

Which is the best coarse of action if you don't want to be punished given Riots current policy?

1 Not reacting or responding in any way shape or form and losing a match and some Lp ...which really has no "real value" and can eventually be replaced

2 Reacting, "defending yourself", "sarcastic " responses, chastising rule breakers or simply just complaining about think you don't like in game and risking losing your entire account that does have monetary value?

The safest option is in other words if you cant say anything positive ..without being sarcastic about it .. don't say anything at all.

If you pick option 2 its inevitable that you will eventually end up perma banned

OMGuGUYSDec 5, 20171 votes

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Actually they know exactly what they are doing. there is no justification for combating negativity with more negativity in a video game.

If you are getting angry at the status or outcome of a video game that is a personal issue dealing with emotional stability / anger management. It has nothing to do with Riot , the game , Competitive, legitimate rule breakers or anything else you can come up with.

Sooooooo here is a bonus cut and paste for you to explain this whole concept.

If someone intentionally feeds/ afk etc and you flame them for it

you deserve to be punishing just as much as they do.

If someone calls you every name in the book and makes up some new ones -- and you respond

you deserve to be punished just as much as they do.

If someone simply isn't answering your pings , chat or playing the way you think they should and you "call them out"

You deserve to be punished

It does not matter "why" you did it ...the fact is you did . That's the only think that matters in the above cases.

No matter what game mode your in certain things just are not allowed reacting to anything you dont like in game is one of the things not allowed,

In other words you ( according to Riots behavioral policy) have no right to

be verbally abusive/ verbally offesive

react or "defend yourself" against others being verbally abusive

chastise those legitimately breaking the rules

Chastise those who you don't agree with

complain about anything

Rant about any personal grievance in the game

giving any type of negative commentary regarding whats happening in the game

Doing any of the above can lead to various punishments including permaban's

So here is the lessons you should take from this on the mature and civilized way to handle things which will also ensure you are following Riots behavioral guidelines

So yes if someone is saying the most vile insults to you ever spoken,

the proper action according to Riot is mute and report without any response including " report x or i'm muting you"

If any amount of people are breaking every game play rule in the book

The proper action according to Riot is ignore them don't respond with anything -- even "report x"

yes you might lose a match and some lP if in ranked its still just a video game and not a serious life or death situation if you do.

and really---

Which is the best coarse of action if you don't want to be punished given Riots current policy?

1 Not reacting or responding in any way shape or form and losing a match and some Lp ...which really has no "real value" and can eventually be replaced

2 Reacting, "defending yourself", "sarcastic " responses, chastising rule breakers or simply just complaining about think you don't like in game and risking losing your entire account that does have monetary value?

The safest option is in other words if you cant say anything positive ..without being sarcastic about it .. don't say anything at all.

If you pick option 2 its inevitable that you will eventually end up perma banned

Yet you are spamming my post toxically yet saying that toxicity is ban and i deserve to be punished by it. Hypocrisy.

MindspeakerDec 5, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Cv Anthem,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=pazHEQLQ,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2017-12-05T17:38:10.788+0000)

Yet you are spamming my post toxically yet saying that toxicity is ban and i deserve to be punished by it. Hypocrisy.

Guess that depends on what you consider toxic .... also I guess you lack the required comprehension skills to full grasp the difference between in game and a forum ......if your cognitive reasoning is not that developed yet that is perfectly understandable.....

how ever ignorance is not an excuse so maybe study some more and return and when you have the required knowledge to be able to tell the difference then maybe you will understand the proper way to act while in game.

to give you a start i will offer you a lesson

in game i would simply disregard anything you had to say and if you got verbally abusive i would mute and report you without saying anything to you.

Sorin AlucardDec 5, 20172 votes

I don't know what the best way to do it would be, but I agree that their should be some kind of way to filter some players out of rank that really don't treat it differently than norms.

It may not have been entirely effective, but at least Riot used to have a "unskilled player" report category. I think at least some sort of delineation should return

MindspeakerDec 5, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sorin Alucard,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=pazHEQLQ,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-12-05T04:56:58.798+0000)

I don't know what the best way to do it would be, but I agree that their should be some kind of way to filter some players out of rank that really don't treat it differently than norms.

please read above post it applies to you to. If you want to take ranked seriously go for m a premade...

[{quoted}](name=Sorin Alucard,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=pazHEQLQ,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-12-05T04:56:58.798+0000) It may not have been entirely effective, but at least Riot used to have a "unskilled player" report category. I think at least some sort of delineation should return

Which was put there simply as a venting feature for specifically for people stressing out over a mere video game. ... it has been stated d many times the report did nothing.

OMGuGUYSDec 5, 20171 votes

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please read above post it apples to you to. If you want to take ranked seriously go for m a premade...

Which was put there simply as a venting feature for specifically for people stressing out over a mere video game. ... it has been stated d many times the report did nothing.

So you find nothing toxic about ruining a game? I understand that flex queue exists, but if you want to soloq, yes i understand that some players arent as good as others, but a 40% winrate is inexcusable in a ranked queue. It is the exact same thing as intentionally losing.

MindspeakerDec 5, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Cv Anthem,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=pazHEQLQ,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2017-12-05T14:22:26.451+0000)

So you find nothing toxic about ruining a game? I understand that flex queue exists, but if you want to soloq, yes i understand that some players arent as good as others, but a 40% winrate is inexcusable in a ranked queue. It is the exact same thing as intentionally losing.

The only things I think are toxic are

Intentionally feeding rage quitting giving up afk (any form passive leave buster avoidance ) verbal absuse etc etc etc

but if it happen it happens I really don't care .. I am to busy having fun and concentrate on what i am doing... to worry about what anyone else is doing or not doing. At then end if we happen to win great if the intentionally disruptive people cause us to lose its not the end of the world.

i just report them at the end of the game and go on to the next.

things i don't care about ...

what champ someone picks what they build what their record is etc etc etc

that being said if you actually read my post .. you will see that i see more to this game than just the outcome .

so even if someone is Intentionally trying to ruin the game it does not affect me

I know these people exist, I know the chances of getting one are high , I know it could possible mean the loss of a game

None of that matters to me because I play lol because i actually enjoy playing the champs that i like to play and actually have fun during the game regarless the outcome.

I play ranked simply because its more profitable than normal ....its not possible for me to care less about "rank prestige" really...its a video game who cares.

as long as i get my skin/ ward I'm happy. that is the only thing i care about and the only reason i played ranked

if riot made it worth my while to play normal i would in an instant.

KarunamonDec 5, 20171 votes

Which was put there simply as a venting feature for specifically for people stressing out over a mere video game. ... it has been stated d many times the report did nothing.

Was that ever stated by someone with a red name, though? I would have sworn that many reports for unskilled were taken into backend matchmaking calculations.

But if it was just a bitbucket, that makes sense too.

Imperial PandaaDec 5, 20172 votes

Mind you these are super old.

Riot Emil Production Coordinator 09-19-2012 The unskilled player report option is there to for things such as matchmaking research and system features. It does not go to the Tribunal.

Tamat

Recruiter 03-19-2011 Greetings, summoners!

While this new option in our report functionality is not a bannable offense; it will be used to improve the performance of our matchmaking system. At best, this will have a small impact, but it was worth implementing all the same.

KarunamonDec 5, 20171 votes

Thanks! I couldn't remember if that was an official stance or not - clearly, it was.

OMGuGUYSDec 5, 20171 votes

{quoted}

please read above post it apples to you to. If you want to take ranked seriously go for m a premade...

Which was put there simply as a venting feature for specifically for people stressing out over a mere video game. ... it has been stated d many times the report did nothing.

even so, a venting option would help. If they go nowhere so be it, but it would still mitigate some anger, at least in my opinion.

MindspeakerDec 5, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Cv Anthem,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=pazHEQLQ,comment-id=000500000002,timestamp=2017-12-05T17:42:54.888+0000)

even so, a venting option would help. If they go nowhere so be it, but it would still mitigate some anger, at least in my opinion.

if someone is getting angry over mere video game .....IMO they have serious personal issue to deal with ...

but really its not Riots job to deal with people's "anger issues"...they took out that report option because too many players thought it actually did something that it was not intended for and kept ranting about it.

TactrixDec 5, 20172 votes

Good sir you are correct, rito has turned a leaf and completely had their balls cut off. Anything and everything gets you banned now, they have neither compassion nor care for anything other than banning players for acting like humans so they have to make new accounts and in theory spend more money on getting the stuff they originally had. I have a solution to this, tell those greedy cocksuckers to fuck off, and never spend a dime on this greedy shit company.

MindspeakerDec 5, 20172 votes

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Good sir you are correct, rito has turned a leaf and completely had their balls cut off. Anything and everything gets you banned now, they have neither compassion nor care for anything other than banning players for acting like humans so they have to make new accounts and in theory spend more money on getting the stuff they originally had. I have a solution to this, tell those greedy cocksuckers to fuck off, and never spend a dime on this greedy shit company.

facepalm IMO your posts are generally cringe worthy full of negativity and toxic opinions. re read both my posts...

banning players for acting like uncivilized immature verbally abusive humans with no emotional control or anger management issues or simply just rude immature individuals to begin with that stress out over the status of a video game

FIFY

{quoted} theory spend more money on getting the stuff they originally had.

Riot Tantram (NA) - 7 days ago

We perma-ban players that we no longer want playing League of Legends, because they hurt the community. We do not want them to make new accounts. We cannot STOP people from making new accounts though.

We do not want people who are going to blame others for every loss, and ask to report them for doing poorly.

WookieeCookie (NA) submitted 8 months ago in Player Behavior Player Support Lead - Player Behavior

We stand by these audits; upon review 99% of players audited were correctly disciplined. Intentional Feeders, Bots, cheaters, and rage quitters are all common offenses found through our audits

No some player are just sooooooo competetly dense that they can't understand when someone slams the door in your face you are not welcome here anymore..

. its not hey they slammed the door in my face lets just climb in the window.

TactrixDec 5, 20175 votes

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MindspeakerDec 5, 20172 votes

{quoted}

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and you have proven time and again what a negative toxic immature uncivilized person you are .. so what s your point.

you could not even come up with a valid response to my post.

I am literally laughing in your face right now.

TactrixDec 5, 20172 votes

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MindspeakerDec 5, 20172 votes

{quoted}

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lit·er·al·ly ˈlidərəlē,ˈlitrəlē/Submit adverb in a literal manner or sense; exactly. "the driver took it literally when asked to go straight across the traffic circle" synonyms: exactly, precisely, actually, really, truly; More informal used for emphasis or to express strong feeling while not being literally true. "I have received literally thousands of letters"

You seem to need re education that seem to be a tread with you doesn't it.

LOL oohhh wow .... lol thanks again for the laugh....

seriously though you rants and immature negative temper tantrums and attempt to sound intimidating are truly funny and I do laugh at them a lot

Truly warped your sense of reality -- ( ohh riot just banns people to make money LOL)
Your negative and immature options
You immature temper tatnrums

Just to name a few and this attempt at intimidation also made me fall out of my chair i was laughing that much.

Thanks this has been very entertaining.

OMGuGUYSDec 5, 20171 votes

You didnt really read what I said, and are just pasting random things.\

MindspeakerDec 5, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Cv Anthem,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=pazHEQLQ,comment-id=000600000001,timestamp=2017-12-05T17:32:58.802+0000)

You didnt really read what I said, and are just pasting random things.\

that reponse wasn't even to you ....... who the one not reading before responding?

Scary DoorDec 5, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Cv Anthem,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=pazHEQLQ,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-12-05T02:45:26.351+0000)

Once upon a time, Riot decided to veer from the path of maintaining a competitive atmosphere and quality gameplay in lieu of maintaining a safespace where people were allowed to (unintentionally, sometimes intentionally) ruin games by joining ranked freely and being unable to perform at standards that would even allow them to compete against beginner bots successfully.

Do you have a specific example?

OMGuGUYSDec 5, 20171 votes

1: Riot Lyte introduced the new ban system, which banned toxicity instead of limited it. This also came with the inibility to report players for unskilled as well.

2: Was challenger S3-4, and had a 94% win rate until I started matching with people who "dont care about ranked" My winrate is still above 80%, and even if i was at a 50% winrate as a bronze 5 player, my opinion matters just as much as yours does. The hypocrisy that you are being toxic to me on boards and condemning me being toxic in game is laughable.

Scary DoorDec 5, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Cv Anthem,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=pazHEQLQ,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2017-12-05T17:36:15.369+0000)

1: Riot Lyte introduced the new ban system, which banned toxicity instead of limited it. This also came with the inibility to report players for unskilled as well.

You do realize that the "unskilled player" report was there strictly for people to file 'rage reports', it was admitted by Lyte that it was largely aesthetic and would NEVER be used to preclude people from playing ranked.

2: Was challenger S3-4, and had a 94% win rate

Sorry, gotta call bullshit on this. A 94% win rate in challenger? No, you didn't.

The hypocrisy that you are being toxic to me on boards and condemning me being toxic in game is laughable.

No hypocrisy here. I'm not being toxic, I'm telling you how it is. If you can't control your temper in game, you get punished, it's called self-control.

OMGuGUYSDec 5, 20171 votes

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You do realize that the "unskilled player" report was there strictly for people to file 'rage reports', it was admitted by Lyte that it was largely aesthetic and would NEVER be used to preclude people from playing ranked.

Sorry, gotta call bullshit on this. A 94% win rate in challenger? No, you didn't.

No hypocrisy here. I'm not being toxic, I'm telling you how it is. If you can't control your temper in game, you get punished, it's called self-control.

no, 94% winrate as of preseason start in bronze this season, didnt explain that well enough.

The unskilled player reports idea is that it would affect matchmaking and help people be placed in games with others of the same skill level.

And me saying to a 1-8 garen who refuses to move out of base or help the team at all "You are the reason we are losing" IS how it is. Yet somehow thats toxic and you arent. All of my reports are from me telling others "how it is." And no, im not saying it out of anger, im saying it because it is true, and its not intended to be toxic, its intended to inform someone that they should rethink their choice to play ranked.

MindspeakerDec 5, 20172 votes

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no, 94% winrate as of preseason start in bronze this season, didnt explain that well enough.

The unskilled player reports idea is that it would affect matchmaking and help people be placed in games with others of the same skill level.

And me saying to a 1-8 garen who refuses to move out of base or help the team at all "You are the reason we are losing" IS how it is. Yet somehow thats toxic and you arent. All of my reports are from me telling others "how it is." And no, im not saying it out of anger, im saying it because it is true, and its not intended to be toxic, its intended to inform someone that they should rethink their choice to play ranked.

You have absolutely no right to "force" your opinion on anyone . I compeltly ignore disregard and report peole like you in game who think they have the right tell others how to play their game.

also

NO you have it backwards. words you should rethink about playing in solo que if you are going let the status and outcome of a video game affect you,

YOU are the one taking it seriously
You are the one ranting about other players
YOU are the one that is not happy

YOU are he one that should leave and go form your own premade team not the other way are around.

That is why mute is so good so other players don't have to listen to people like you and just have fun playing the game in whatever mode they like

If YOU don't like it YOU can leave and make a team with other tryhards and ocd serious players that think "winning" is only way a match will have value.

Some of us like winning but still have fun DURING the game and therefore time is never wasted even if there is an afk and feeder on the team and we get stomped

ChermorgDec 6, 20171 votes

I've removed the second part of your post for rankshaming. Regardless of someone's performance in game, it does not have any place in a discussion about anything - everyone is allowed to express their opinions and their opinions are not rendered invalid due to some perception based on an artificial ranking system in game. If you have any questions about this please do not hesitate to contact us in the Boards Moderation Discord server.

Scary DoorDec 6, 20171 votes

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I've removed the second part of your post for rankshaming. Regardless of someone's performance in game, it does not have any place in a discussion about anything - everyone is allowed to express their opinions and their opinions are not rendered invalid due to some perception based on an artificial ranking system in game. If you have any questions about this please do not hesitate to contact us in the Boards Moderation Discord server.

That's some quality moderation there, boys.

Of course, the context of this conversation was that the OP talked about being wrongfully punished despite how he flamed players for playing at an inferior level. I simply pointed out that the OP was no better than the people he was critiquing. You could have offered up your opinion without omitting a part of it, besides, the OP already read the part you deleted so it was a superfluous action on your part.

I'm not sure when pointing out facts became "shaming", but that's the world we live in these days I guess.

This would be analogous to having a discussion with someone that thought they were morally superior and then discovering that they had spent time in jail for armed robbery. Afterwards I pointed out they did jail time and that they might not have the moral hgih-ground that they thought they did over myself or anyone. In that scenario it is, indeed, a fact that they had gone to jail and I was pointing it out in the context of the discussion.

Oh well, more ambiguous/arbitrary moderation here on the boards.

EL HAMSTERODec 5, 20171 votes

safe spaces have gotten way out of control.

I got a post removed earlier for calling someone who was lying a liar.

not sure what I was supposed to call them if liar is too harsh. an untruthful person? or just pretend that you dont know they are lying because it would be impolite? but yeah don't call a liar a liar. it is not PC

OMGuGUYSDec 5, 20171 votes

Its funny to me that most of the naysayers are being extremely toxic to shut me down, yet at the same time saying toxicity is bad. Hypocrisy.