The death of ranked queue at the hands of a safe enviornment

OMGuGUYS·12/5/2017, 2:45:26 AM·8 votes·709 views

Once upon a time, Riot decided to veer from the path of maintaining a competitive atmosphere and quality gameplay in lieu of maintaining a safespace where people were allowed to (unintentionally, sometimes intentionally) ruin games by joining ranked freely and being unable to perform at standards that would even allow them to compete against beginner bots successfully.

was gonna write a whole thing but got bored.

tl;dr riot has no clue what they are doing, and would rather ban people for getting angry than for ruining games both intentionally and intentionally.

People with 40% winrate after 50+ games should be required to win 10 games with a positive 50% winrate in draft, the same way old ranked restrictions used to work. There is no reason that bad players should be allowed to ruin games for people who actively try to win.

This would be be a beneficial solution for both sides of the coin, new players would be allowed to learn in a learning environment, and ranked play would come with an incentive to perform, increasing game quality across the board.

Disclaimer:

Yes i realize its preseason. Yes, I am a tad salty, thanks for noticing, you saying it really accomplishes alot! Even if it IS preseason, the number of players who "arent trying cuz its preseason" is staggering. The preseason DOES effect the mmr of the upcoming season, and it should be considered greifing to join ranked without any positive intent in mind.

Normal queues exist for a reason, if you want to have fun, thats the place for it. Some of us care about ranked, and dont have the time nor patience to entertain you.

-Cv Anthem (Yes i did just receive a ban for flaming a garen who intentionally lost a game by refusing to move for the entirety of the game)

You can mute me, I cant remove you from the game. Whos the real toxic one?

38 Comments

Jo0o12/5/2017, 2:54:24 AM4 votes

Bad players hemmorage LP and lose rank quick, isn't that enough of a moderating force?

You're inevitably gonna lose some games due to trolling, which will suck. But you're gonna win those games back due to trolls on the other side of the river, too.

Mindspeaker12/5/2017, 3:36:11 AM3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Cv Anthem,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=pazHEQLQ,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-12-05T02:45:26.351+0000) Once upon a time, Riot decided to veer from the path of maintaining a competitive atmosphere and quality gameplay in lieu of maintaining a safespace where people were allowed to (unintentionally, sometimes intentionally) ruin games by joining ranked freely and being unable to perform at standards that would even allow them to compete against beginner bots successfully.

Ohh look a person ranting about ranked..... and how everyone should play according to how they think it is... and what they think the requierments should be and how they should be able to react etc etc etc ....yawwwwwnnnnnn....

over 3 years of this ...and people wonder why I copy paste sooo

without further ado ...here is the copy paste for rank ranters...

First of all anyone is free to play any champ in any role with any strategy. Champ select is not trolling in any way at any time

WookieeCookie (NA) - 8 months ago

Let’s re-iterate our stance from before:

Q: Can I get banned for choosing a champion or strategy that is outside the current meta?

A: 100% no. Choosing a champion or strategy outside of the current meta is not a factor we take into account when reviewing accounts. On any given day tens of thousands of players are making unusual picks in the game and they’ll never receive penalties in any form.

Please don't bring up singed or numu...what happened there at the very most was a EXCEPTION to the rule it does not in any way invalidate the above

No your quote but it another misconception of players joining solo que .....

it`s all about being a team and play as 5

If you go into solo que expecting that it will have the same cohesiveness and team play as a premade there is your problem right there ... here is why

That is one of the reasons mute is so good . People stress out too much over what everyone elese is doing instead doing .

Its actually quite common to even have to ping mute some pme because they are stressing out tooo much,

These are the _ACTUAL FACTS _of random que:

  • People will not have the same views as you

  • They will not take ranked as a serious as you. Some actually realize this is just a VIDEO GAME

  • Some people play ranked because its more worthwhile than normal I really could care less about rank "prestige" or "LP"

Example: some people play ranked because at the very least they get free skin and ward at the end ... do they get that playing normal ...nooo you get nothing, So why would they ?

I actually have fun win OR lose , even if there is a feeder or afk if we are getting stomped or doing the stomping and I ALWAYS vote no. I don't play ranked to listen to someone stress out like losing a game is the end of the universe . Its a video game the point is to HAVE FUN actually playing the game not just the outcome ..yes again even in ranked. Some time you win some times you lose LP constantly fluctuates so don't stress about it as long as you have fun you are always a winner.

  • There are legitimate toxic people who join games for the sole purpose of ruining it for others ( intentional feeders, afk, verbal abuse etc ) you cant get away from them. Its mind boggling some who choose to spend their time ruining other people games but there are some really immature uncivilized people in this world that will log on to do just that. You just have to assume your going to get one when you hit the solo que button and prepare for it . If you don't its a bonus,

  • Riot does not enforce Meta or champ " roles" or strategy in any mode at any level.

  • There is no "unskilled" if you don't like how someone is playing its is up to YOU to leave solo que not anyone else ,

  • Riot themselves have stated that no one would ever be punished for non meta non role champ choice.

That means anyone is free to play any champ in any role at any time that is NOT being a troll breaking the summoners code,

  • you are also allowed to play " 1st time champs" in ranked as well.

  • Also there is no refusing to communicate - so someone who doesn't listen to you is not being a troll either . No one will be punished for muting the team and not speaking in chat so if you think you can report someone for refusing to communicate your wrong. they are NOT doing anything breaking the summoners code or riots rules either

Riot Tantram (NA) - 2 years ago

A report flags a game for review. They do not establish guilt. The game is then reviewed for harassment, feeding, etc. This is why 'troll reporting' or 'gang reporting' do not work. False or inaccurate reports are thrown out.

You cannot ever be punished for saying nothing . unless of course it's for something gameplay related like feeding, afking or cheating. But, you can never be punished for offensive language, hate speech or verbal abuse if you said nothing.


[{quoted}](name=Cv Anthem,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=pazHEQLQ,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-12-05T02:45:26.351+0000) You can mute me, I cant remove you from the game. Whos the real toxic one?

Actually you can remove them form YOUR game by stopping to play in solo que and just playing with premades.

Seriously if you can't handle all those factors and you keep joining solo que you and your own choices are the problem so stop trying to shift the blame for YOUR displeasure on to other people when you keep choosing to play with random people

In other words...

  • If you want a "serious team"
  • if you want team that plays like their lives depend on it .
  • If you want to play meta
  • if you want to have a coordinated team that communicates the way a pre made or pro team does.

here is the simple solution

stop playing with random people if it s stressing you out and jsut play with a premade team you "know will play to your standard and with your views on the game" in.. There is a premade option for a reason.

*Solo que Ranked ( or any mode for that matter)

is great if your definition of "fun" does not rest on the status or out come of the game but the enjoyment of simply "playing" the game regardless of what is happening during it.

If you can have fun during a game regardless if there are afk's or intentional feeders then they lose all power, winning is great everyone likes winning also if you have fun during the game the losses are still enjoyable.

( again ....no "fun" is not restricted to just normal.... anyone can join any solo que for any reason)

Simply put Some players simply play ranked not because they care about "ranked prestige" but because it is more "profitable" than playing normal.... for example would someone get a champ / ward skin from playing normal all year ...no ...they would get nothing but the "normal rewards" you get form playing any match.

so solo que is a good "fit " for that type of player

Now on the other hand if a player is taking the game to the epic level of seriousness making the outcome of the game , your rank your lp your ONLY source of enjoyment.

If you take that type of player and then they willingly and intentionally join a match with random people

You are basically spinning a roulette wheel

On that wheel are

  • "serious people " like above
  • legitimate jerks and thinking of ways they are going to intentionally destroy the match,
  • People that may not take game as seriously as you
  • People who just want to rage and verbally abuse peole for fun
  • a legitimate "bad player" ( the not reportable kind)
  • there are probably more player type examples as well

Now if you take that and look at probability factors

The chances of the "serious player" getting 4 other "serious people " is very low

and

The probability of getting "bad people" something simply "going wrong" or even something that you simply wont like

Is higher than the probability of getting 4 other serious people

So knowing those odds why would anyone taking taking the game to that level of seriousness be surprised when you spin the wheel and lose and things don't turn out they way they think they should?

So really taking all of this into account if you REALLY want to talk about player responsibility it up to each individual player to choose the option that is the best fit for them.

Karunamon12/5/2017, 3:19:35 AM3 votes

..rather ban people for getting angry than for ruining games both intentionally and intentionally.

Detecting flame automatically is about a billion times easier than detecting int vs low skill.

There is no reason that bad players should be allowed to ruin games for people who actively try to win.

Wouldn't those bad players naturally wind up at the bottom of the ladder?

Yes i did just receive a ban for flaming

Ah, now the thread makes sense. Not a chat restrict, a ban. Which means you were being *phobic or encouraging suicide, or had this happen to you twice before.

Tactrix12/5/2017, 5:33:45 AM2 votes

Good sir you are correct, rito has turned a leaf and completely had their balls cut off. Anything and everything gets you banned now, they have neither compassion nor care for anything other than banning players for acting like humans so they have to make new accounts and in theory spend more money on getting the stuff they originally had. I have a solution to this, tell those greedy cocksuckers to fuck off, and never spend a dime on this greedy shit company.

Scary Door12/5/2017, 4:57:54 PM2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Cv Anthem,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=pazHEQLQ,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-12-05T02:45:26.351+0000)

Once upon a time, Riot decided to veer from the path of maintaining a competitive atmosphere and quality gameplay in lieu of maintaining a safespace where people were allowed to (unintentionally, sometimes intentionally) ruin games by joining ranked freely and being unable to perform at standards that would even allow them to compete against beginner bots successfully.

Do you have a specific example?

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Sorin Alucard12/5/2017, 4:56:58 AM2 votes

I don't know what the best way to do it would be, but I agree that their should be some kind of way to filter some players out of rank that really don't treat it differently than norms.

It may not have been entirely effective, but at least Riot used to have a "unskilled player" report category. I think at least some sort of delineation should return

ReySolomon12/5/2017, 2:56:13 AM2 votes

What you said about ranked actually sounds good but let's see what others think.

Mindspeaker12/5/2017, 3:49:47 AM2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Cv Anthem,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=pazHEQLQ,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-12-05T02:45:26.351+0000)

tl;dr riot has no clue what they are doing, and would rather ban people for getting angry than for ruining games both intentionally and intentionally.

Actually they know exactly what they are doing. there is no justification for combating negativity with more negativity in a video game.

If you are getting angry at the status or outcome of a video game that is a personal issue dealing with emotional stability / anger management. It has nothing to do with Riot , the game , Competitive, legitimate rule breakers or anything else you can come up with.

Sooooooo here is a bonus cut and paste for you to explain this whole concept.

If someone intentionally feeds/ afk etc and you flame them for it

you deserve to be punishing just as much as they do.

If someone calls you every name in the book and makes up some new ones -- and you respond

you deserve to be punished just as much as they do.

If someone simply isn't answering your pings , chat or playing the way you think they should and you "call them out"

You deserve to be punished

It does not matter "why" you did it ...the fact is you did . That's the only think that matters in the above cases.

No matter what game mode your in certain things just are not allowed reacting to anything you dont like in game is one of the things not allowed,

In other words you ( according to Riots behavioral policy) have no right to

  • be verbally abusive/ verbally offesive
  • react or "defend yourself" against others being verbally abusive
  • chastise those legitimately breaking the rules
  • Chastise those who you don't agree with
  • complain about anything
  • Rant about any personal grievance in the game
  • giving any type of negative commentary regarding whats happening in the game
  • Doing any of the above can lead to various punishments including permaban's

So here is the lessons you should take from this on the mature and civilized way to handle things which will also ensure you are following Riots behavioral guidelines

So yes if someone is saying the most vile insults to you ever spoken,

the proper action according to Riot is mute and report without any response including " report x or i'm muting you"

If any amount of people are breaking every game play rule in the book

The proper action according to Riot is ignore them don't respond with anything -- even "report x"

yes you might lose a match and some lP if in ranked its still just a video game and not a serious life or death situation if you do.

and really---

Which is the best coarse of action if you don't want to be punished given Riots current policy?

1 Not reacting or responding in any way shape or form and losing a match and some Lp ...which really has no "real value" and can eventually be replaced

2 Reacting, "defending yourself", "sarcastic " responses, chastising rule breakers or simply just complaining about think you don't like in game and risking losing your entire account that does have monetary value?

The safest option is in other words if you cant say anything positive ..without being sarcastic about it .. don't say anything at all.

If you pick option 2 its inevitable that you will eventually end up perma banned

EL HAMSTERO12/5/2017, 5:41:47 PM1 votes

safe spaces have gotten way out of control.

I got a post removed earlier for calling someone who was lying a liar.

not sure what I was supposed to call them if liar is too harsh. an untruthful person? or just pretend that you dont know they are lying because it would be impolite? but yeah don't call a liar a liar. it is not PC

OMGuGUYS12/5/2017, 5:44:16 PM1 votes

Its funny to me that most of the naysayers are being extremely toxic to shut me down, yet at the same time saying toxicity is bad. Hypocrisy.