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I am preparing to appeal my Perma-Ban

Heraçles··3 votes·3,427 views

Hello, thanks for taking the time to read this! Please feel free to say your opinion as I will appreciate it.

My account was been permanently banned by a player-triggered review because of my behavior on August 7th, 2018. I have been playing since the tail-end of season 4. I was a positive player and teammate up until mid-season 8 and also I had reached max honor in season 7. I think I might be the only player to go from max honor to perma-ban. I was going through the hardest point in my life throughout season 8, and I handled terribly. I was a toxic person in my own house, at my work, and on the rift. I broke down mentally and physically. I wish that I could apologize to all of the teammates and enemies that I have been negative towards. I deeply regret what I did. My behavior was unacceptable and inexcusable. I will never be able to take back what I did.

I started my reform process on September 2018. I try to be the person that energizes the room when I walk into it instead being the person that energizes the room when I walk out. This is lifestyle for me. I am taking it day by day. I am not trying to be better than anyone else I am only trying to be better than the person I was yesterday. I started meditating every day, and now I do it when I wake up and when I go to bed. Meditating has helped me out so much I am struggling to put it into words. I live in the present and I don't cling on to the things that I used to. I also perform some sort of exercise at least 5 times a week.

I am preparing an appeal in which I will officially go the ticket center or I will email riot support but that will not happen until at least August 7, 2019. Below you will find the one game log that got me perma-banned. I wish could apologize to the teammates who had to put up with this. This log makes me feel disgusting but at the same time it motivates me to become a better person. I have this log saved on my desktop.

Game 1 In-Game Heraçles: ur so stupid Heraçles: fucking jax is farming scuttle whole time Heraçles: hey jax l;earn to counter gank yea? Heraçles: dont just keep farming the camp bro@' Heraçles: he spammed me careful rofl Heraçles: while farming scuttle Heraçles: thats wrong lol Heraçles: jg gap op Heraçles: aight 2 death jax Heraçles: be slaty that thier jung is btter than you idc Heraçles: afk Heraçles: fuck this jax Heraçles: stfu b Heraçles: bitch boy Heraçles: i was low hp Heraçles: forced xin flash Heraçles: and he takes it Heraçles: i get ganked 3 times Heraçles: jax flames me Heraçles: and takes scuttle Heraçles: dont mid me carrying or anything Heraçles: jg gap op Heraçles: first turret? Heraçles: you all get gold and im drawing attention ive been ganked 5 times Heraçles: and i have 4 kills Heraçles: thats carrying bud Heraçles: jax stop dieing Heraçles: aight jungler who gets out pressured mid then flames midlaner then steals scuttle while inting Heraçles: jungler splits top while they group top Heraçles: lol Heraçles: i mean bot* Heraçles: keep splitting jax Heraçles: thats helping Heraçles: you lol Heraçles: i Heraçles: KLOOK AT JAX Heraçles: THEYRE GROUPED MID Heraçles: AND HES BOT Heraçles: yeah except youve been sp[litting the whol;e game rofl Heraçles: says the jungler who falmes his mid laner for getting ganked at 2 mins in the game Heraçles: whiule farming scuttkle Heraçles: is that how you see it? Heraçles: keep flaming Heraçles: i stopped talking Heraçles: you keep flaming Heraçles: thats incorrect Heraçles: my bad for flame but you actually tried to tilt me dont flame your mid laner jungler Heraçles: asks for counter gank replies with oh no games not centered around yas thats ridic

I was being disrespectful and selfish and my team deserved better from me.

28 Comments

Apriccot6 votes

don't bother, riot refuses to ever look at the context or who was actually trolling.

Heraçles1 votes

Thank you for your reply, sadly from looking at a lot of players who tried to appeal perma bans I may share the same fate.

Apriccot5 votes

yea, it's sad and in my opinion, perma bans make riot money becuase you're forced to rebuy your stuff again. They pretend like it's to "remove toxic people from our community" as if a perma will actually do that. Everyone either makes a new account or buys a smurf, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if riot or tencent owns the smurf market as well. Remember, everything about the game is designed to make money, even the discipline system.

ModPrandine3 votes

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yea, it's sad and in my opinion, perma bans make riot money becuase you're forced to rebuy your stuff again. They pretend like it's to "remove toxic people from our community" as if a perma will actually do that. Everyone either makes a new account or buys a smurf, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if riot or tencent owns the smurf market as well. Remember, everything about the game is designed to make money, even the discipline system.

Riot doesn't force players to spend money or make new accounts. If players do those then they do so of their own volition and not because Riot forced them to. This is just a lame excuse made by people who can't stand the fact that Riot isn't gonna let them get away with being jerks in their game regardless of how much money they spend on it. To quote Kei143:

When Riot permabans someone, their philosophy is "the chances of this guy reforming isn't a whole lot, we'd rather not have him in the game". Thus in their eyes, they have already written off the toxic player as a paying client.

From a business standpoint, do they want to remove the toxic guy who has spent $500 but is causing a negative environment for 4-9 other players in every game? Those non-toxics are also spending $500 and probably will spend more, promote the game more when they are enjoying the game AND they won't cause a negative environment.

I personally think it is a fine argument to protect the ones that are paying money and aren't toxic rather than protecting the ones that may pay the same amount but are toxic.

From Riot Tantram:

We perma-ban players that we no longer want playing League of Legends, because they hurt the community. We do not want them to make new accounts. We cannot STOP people from making new accounts though.

From Ulanopo's Knowledge Base:

“Riot bans people because they make money off of forcing people to create new accounts and repurchase the skins.”

Just stop. This is a really silly argument. I didn’t pay for my account any more than you did and while I have bought a number of things, I didn’t have to. There’s nothing relevant to competitive play that I couldn’t have bought with IP.

Also, Riot actively discourages people from making new accounts.

From Lyte: (link (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=33432435#post33432435))

Actually, if we're permabanning you we don't want your money or your time. Just find another game.

(Help from MadmanWithBox)

P.S. No not everyone makes new accounts after being permabanned.

Apriccot5 votes

Sorry but I trust my repeated personal experiences over your nice story.

AeroWaffle2 votes

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Sorry but I trust my repeated personal experiences over your nice story.

Do you have proof that Riot is relying on a perma-banned person creating a new account and spending money in your repeated personal experience?

Apriccot5 votes

Yea. Myself and several people i know. Listen I'm not here to convince you or anyone else, I'm just giving my perspective. If you want to eat up all of riots PR and marketing, good for you, but I worked in marketing for 10 years so my senses are a little more tuned to the art of bullshit than most people.

ModPrandine2 votes

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Yea. Myself and several people i know. Listen I'm not here to convince you or anyone else, I'm just giving my perspective. If you want to eat up all of riots PR and marketing, good for you, but I worked in marketing for 10 years so my senses are a little more tuned to the art of bullshit than most people.

Answer me this then: Did you or did you not all voluntarily choose to make a new account and voluntarily choose whether or not to spend money on a new account without Riot telling you to?

Apriccot5 votes

You already know the answer to that question.

I'll try a different way of explaining my point, since you're not getting it and still treating me like I'm crying about a perma. I took a lot of time to write this, so please show me the courtesy of not jumping to conclusions and reading it thoroughly.

Firstly: A perceived threat in the environment can be seen reliably putting most humans into a "fight or flight" state. From an evolutionary perspective, this behavioral characteristic made us more fit to survive, which is why most people still display it (and also why so many people have bad anxiety). While in this elevated state, few people are calm and most people are alert, anxious and very quick to react emotionally. People are in this elevated state when driving too, which explains road rage. Basically, with statistical significance, humans are reliably observed displaying high emotionality and acting irrationally in an elevated state caused by a perceived threat. This is known and accepted both scientifically and anecdotally. It goes without saying that competitive environments evoke this state as well.

Secondly: League is an extremely well produced game. How beautiful it is, coupled with months (or years) invested into skill building, and a lot of people become **highly addicted ** to this game.

My point: Human nature fuels the predictable display of poor behavior by people in a heightened emotional state. Multiply this by online-anonymity, and it's essentially the core reason why so many people (continue to, and always will) rage and get banned in league. Then, addiction explains why they come back. Both of which are pretty easy things to understand.

I find it hard to swallow that a company as smart as riot/tencent is not aware that humans consistently display both of these behaviors. Big businesses like riot constantly look for reliable and predictable sources of income, and what's more reliable than human nature?

Yes, people make their own choices, but you don't think there's something wrong with companies exploiting people who make bad, emotional choices? It's what phishing schemes, telemarketing, con men and so many other shady businesses are bankrolled by.

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p.s. I looked at your match history and you really should play some ranked so you can have a better perspective on how much toxicity really still exists in league.

Mityzuru4 votes

well said.

ChocoLit4 votes

Fighting the good fight bro.

AeroWaffle3 votes

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You already know the answer to that question.

I'll try a different way of explaining my point, since you're not getting it and still treating me like I'm crying about a perma. I took a lot of time to write this, so please show me the courtesy of not jumping to conclusions and reading it thoroughly.

Firstly: A perceived threat in the environment can be seen reliably putting most humans into a "fight or flight" state. From an evolutionary perspective, this behavioral characteristic made us more fit to survive, which is why most people still display it (and also why so many people have bad anxiety). While in this elevated state, few people are calm and most people are alert, anxious and very quick to react emotionally. People are in this elevated state when driving too, which explains road rage. Basically, with statistical significance, humans are reliably observed displaying high emotionality and acting irrationally in an elevated state caused by a perceived threat. This is known and accepted both scientifically and anecdotally. It goes without saying that competitive environments evoke this state as well.

Secondly: League is an extremely well produced game. How beautiful it is, coupled with months (or years) invested into skill building, and a lot of people become **highly addicted ** to this game.

My point: Human nature fuels the predictable display of poor behavior by people in a heightened emotional state. Multiply this by online-anonymity, and it's essentially the core reason why so many people (continue to, and always will) rage and get banned in league. Then, addiction explains why they come back. Both of which are pretty easy things to understand.

A person is responsible for their behavior and actions. End of story. There is no threat. This is a video game. The primary purpose of almost all video games is to entertain the player, and anything entertaining can be addicting. If a person is addicted to a video game to such degree that it's a huge problem for them, they need to seek help on their own. But that is not even close to a normal case. Beyond banning the player Riot doesn't have the capability to prevent the player from creating another account. Would it be the NFL's responsibility if a person became addicted to football? No it wouldn't and the idea of that is just silly.

I find it hard to swallow that a company as smart as riot/tencent is not aware that humans consistently display both of these behaviors. Big businesses like riot constantly look for reliable and predictable sources of income, and what's more reliable than human nature?

Relying on a player, who had all their previous progress removed and account banned, to come back to the same company and start spending money of their own free will is an extremely unreliable notion.

Relying on players not wanting to be insulted in the video games they play on the other hand is an extremely reliable notion. That is why Riot bans players for poor behavior, because pretty much universally no one wants to be insulted while they are trying to enjoy their time in a video game. The more people who enjoy their time in League of legends, the more likely they will stick around (and possibly spend more money). Since people with poor behavior act poorly in lots of games and ruin the game for many players, Riot opts to lose the business of these banned players in order to improve the experience of those not-banned.

Yes, people make their own choices, but you don't think there's something wrong with companies exploiting people who make bad, emotional choices? It's what phishing schemes, telemarketing, con men and so many other shady businesses are bankrolled by.

Riot is not a phishing scheme, telemarker, or conning you. They made a video game and are selling it with a F2P business model. Everything they offer is plain for everyone to see and refuse to buy should they choose to do so. If you choose not to pay anything you can still play the game. If you choose to not to play the game you incur zero, I repeat, ZERO costs with them. There is no termination fee. If you make a bad purchase at wall-mart because you have shitty impulse control that's not wal-marts fault. It's your fault for having shitty impulse control.

I'm tired of people throwing out personal responsibility and blaming literally everything else for their own choices.

p.s. I looked at your match history and you really should play some ranked so you can have a better perspective on how much toxicity really still exists in league.

P.S.

A person's ranked history has nothing to do with a conspiracy theory with zero proof about how Riot is maliciously banning accounts for the explicit purpose of making money off those banned players.

Apriccot5 votes

Oh, you again. Still changing my words and misinterpreting them to fit your perspective. No, thanks, waffle guy.

Cosmic Twinkie4 votes

yea, super rude to put words in your mouth like that. You actually made a thoughtful point (rare for these boards) and nowhere did you say they're "maliciously banning accounts". That's hilarious that he would even assume that.

AeroWaffle2 votes

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yea, super rude to put words in your mouth like that. You actually made a thoughtful point (rare for these boards) and nowhere did you say they're "maliciously banning accounts". That's hilarious that he would even assume that.

Sock puppets are great for puppet shows but you probably should wonder if a person resorts to such measures to appear like there was some agreement they might want to reconsider their position.

Mityzuru4 votes

I think he's officially lost it ladies and gentlemen

Prø Sense4 votes

You can try but it is unlikely for the ban to be overturned unless it was done in error. Glad to hear you are reformed though maybe see you on the rift on a new account?

Best of luck with your appeal!

Heraçles2 votes

Thank you for your comment but sadly no I will not be playing league unless I can play on that account. I have invested a lot into that account and if I don't get it back then I will never be on the rift again.

Kei1434 votes

The current policy is that accounts that are permabanned correctly will not be reverted. So I'd say don't waste support's time.

Heraçles2 votes

I appreciate the honesty thank you

Arcade Lulu4 votes

Not gonna happen

But i mean, if you want to try and get 'No' as an answer, Go ahead

Heraçles1 votes

I appreciate the honesty thank you.

PH452 votes

As others have said, there is pretty much no point trying to appeal the ban if the permaban was correctly applied. Riot's doesn't do unbans at this current time so your best bet is to just play on a new account and see if Riot ever brings back the permaban unbanning experiment etc.

Heraçles2 votes

Thank you for your reply. I am waiting some time in hope that maybe they will change their policy, however unlikely it may be. I have tried making a new account but riot makes it way to easy to quit after going from all the champs and almost every single skin that I personally wanted too NOTHING. I have lost the desire to play on the rift honestly and I don't know if I will ever get it back. It might be because my account worth $1500 dollars got banned or something else I am just not sure.

Mityzuru1 votes

Banning paying customers for have a series of bad games. Cool business practice bro. lol.

General Matty2 votes

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Thank you for your reply. I am waiting some time in hope that maybe they will change their policy, however unlikely it may be. I have tried making a new account but riot makes it way to easy to quit after going from all the champs and almost every single skin that I personally wanted too NOTHING. I have lost the desire to play on the rift honestly and I don't know if I will ever get it back. It might be because my account worth $1500 dollars got banned or something else I am just not sure.

To spend that much and lose it all...If i didn't get my account back i wouldn't play again either.

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