So why is it that when I have to queue dodge to avoid trolls that ban my champion in champ select and have picks like sivir top without communicating with their team, I get the penalty? They are trolling in ranked and making me lose my lp if I tried to play out the game, why do I get a 30 minute penalty for dodging once? It just doesnt make sense to me.
ValyrianBlade5 votesIf it didn't penalize dodging, people would dodge whenever team comps weren't optimal.
You choose to dodge a Sivir top. Other players may not. You may get a higher win rate as a result of that (since Sivir top is likely to lose), thus to balance it you lose LP for choosing to dodge. It would be unfair to those players who eventually choose to play with the Sivir and eventually lose if you didn't lose LP. If you hadn't dodged, she'd have been in your game and not their queue.
Also eventually she may end up on the enemy team. If you always dodge such players, but there's a chance enemies won't, you'll get free wins by default. That inflates your LP above your actual skill level. An LP dodge penalty brings it down to where it should be.
As for time? The enemy team did nothing wrong - heck they had a free win! Yet their time was wasted because you dodged (and refused to give them that win). Hence, you suffer a time penalty to discourage wasting others time.
Yes, the fault isn't yours if there's a legit troll, but that's the idea behind it. Riot can't know who the trolls are immediately, so they need something in place. I don't want 2 hour queue times.
My Big Tits3 votesGood points, i understand the reason for queue times after dodging but I feel like they should bring in another option as to why you queue dodged. Like explain why you queue dodged whether it was accidental or if there was an actual reason.
elduris2 votesYeah, that and DC'ing are the two most requested things that both have wild upsides and downsides. Like, it sucks to get timed out for a troll or for your internet provider crapping out, but sadly there isn't a much better solution. If you could just give a reason, people would lie, if you're allowed so many dodges/dc's per period then people take advantage of that. At least it's just a timeout and not any kind of suspension.
Miror B3 votesYeah, that and DC'ing are the two most requested things that both have wild upsides and downsides. Like, it sucks to get timed out for a troll or for your internet provider crapping out, but sadly there isn't a much better solution. If you could just give a reason, people would lie, if you're allowed so many dodges/dc's per period then people take advantage of that. At least it's just a timeout and not any kind of suspension.
See, I'm thinking there could be a temporary way to fix it. Let's say each person got a set amount of "free dodges" per year (start at like 5, but instantly reduce that amount to 0 should the player get any sort of account suspension/penalty). While it would make the queues somewhat troublesome early in the year (not that they aren't already), it could also elevate the mood of the playerbase as then people won't be "locked" into stupid crap like the dozens of ghost/cleanse support games I've had to deal with over the past month or so doing fill-flex.
Oh, and the "free dodge" would take one away from each person in a party should someone do that in multi-person groups. Then it'd prevent clans from exploiting/trolling the system.
scazzman3 votesYeah, that and DC'ing are the two most requested things that both have wild upsides and downsides. Like, it sucks to get timed out for a troll or for your internet provider crapping out, but sadly there isn't a much better solution. If you could just give a reason, people would lie, if you're allowed so many dodges/dc's per period then people take advantage of that. At least it's just a timeout and not any kind of suspension.
i actually have an idea. why not implement "dodge tokens" for ranked. where a player could spend a token and still take a queue timer. but not be deducted LP or a loss in promos. the tokens would function similarly to ARAM rerolls
My Big Tits2 votesThat is a pretty neat idea honestly, I doubt riot is going to implement something like this for a while though. Its a good solution for these kinds of situations. How would you get the dodge tokens though? Playing a certain number of ranked games to get them?
Istanazrell1 votes"i actually have an idea. why not implement "dodge tokens" for ranked. where a player could spend a token and still take a queue timer. but not be deducted LP or a loss in promos. the tokens would function similarly to ARAM rerolls"
I think it's a great idea. I some people may even troll less. It is worth an experiment, IMO.[slayer-jinx-wink]
ValyrianBlade2 votesGood points, i understand the reason for queue times after dodging but I feel like they should bring in another option as to why you queue dodged. Like explain why you queue dodged whether it was accidental or if there was an actual reason.
Yes, they need to add a "leave and report" option. It would still have all the same penalties as a leave, but would allow the same "end game report" to happen. Why players can only be adequately reported for in-game actions and not lobby or post-game actions is terrible. Like the number of auto-fill supports who pick a troll pick to entice a dodge (and will play it legitimately otherwise)... it's really not in the spirit of the game I don't think. They don't really think Renekton Support is their best shot at winning - they just figure it's better to have a 20% chance of winning and a 70% chance of dodging than have a 40% chance at winning and a 1% chance at dodging when they're autofilled.
Istanazrell1 votesAt the very least, I support the "Report & Leave" feature. This is a must to include.
Morality Coach3 votesThe system only matches you up with crappy 30% winrate tops if you are at your proper ELO.
Jon11742 votesBecause they system doesn't connect to your camera and analyze your emotions,it doesn't know your intent or reasoning,it just knows you dodged
My Big Tits2 votesStill though, 30 minutes from dodging once in the past few weeks? Still doesn't make sense to me
Jon11742 votesThat part is weird and i do not know the reason behind that. Also you summoned Great Muta,Congrats
Great Muta2 votesJust another way League likes to punish the people who react to trolls rather than the actual trolls themselves.
BigBellBrute1 votes[{quoted}](name=Great Muta,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=5qQa4G1G,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-12-05T22:40:11.390+0000)
Just another way League likes to punish the people who react to trolls rather than the actual trolls themselves.
He dodged. Had he played the game, he could have easily reported them. Riot can't punish anyone if someone dodges the game and therefore there is no report. How do you expect riot to know about the queue troll? Osmosis? Some sort of Telepathy?
Morality Coach2 votesChamp select report option like 3 years ago maybe?
Great Muta1 votesHe dodged. Had he played the game, he could have easily reported them. Riot can't punish anyone if someone dodges the game and therefore there is no report.
You can open a support ticket, which I had done after taking a screencap of the situation. Not sure if that accomplished anything though.
How do you expect riot to know about the queue troll? Osmosis? Some sort of Telepathy?
Doubt it was the first time, doubt it's going to be the last. This is a problem that should have a better solution to it already.
Kaioko1 votesSo why is it that when I have to queue dodge to avoid trolls that ban my champion in champ select and have picks like sivir top without communicating with their team, I get the penalty? They are trolling in ranked and making me lose my lp if I tried to play out the game, why do I get a 30 minute penalty for dodging once? It just doesnt make sense to me.
Isn't 6 minutes for the first dodge? Even when I dodge in rank I only get a 6 minute penalty for it which I'll take any day over dealing with a game full of trolls.
My Big Tits1 votesYea and thats what i thought i would get lol. Dont understand why it was 30 minutes.
Telephone Booth1 votesBecause there isn't an established role/champ correlation. Sivir top is completely legit and approved by Riot, so all they see is that you dodged. They don't see someone about to troll, just that someone dodged. If you dodge enough games, you get a leaverbuster penalty that escalates in wait-time as you do it more often. Hope that clears up your confusion.
MaropaL21 votesi mean i wanted them to get the csgo penalty for a long time. here its only 20-40min or so and there ppl get banned for days and weeks.
which should affect someone like you too. if you queue up for 10-20min and then get an a''hole like you just dodging the queue cause theres one pick you dont like, they should ban you atleast an entire day for trolling the queue.
You will never be satisfied. There's an easy way to fix that tho: Just create your own Game where you can be the Leader of every Ban and pick. This wont get you anything, but atleast you are happy and none else needs to bother having their queue ruined by you.
My Big Tits1 votesUm, how would I be trolling the queue when they would be trolling the entire game? I understand there needs to be a penalty for dodging but I feel there should be a penalty for those who are trying to troll in queue. I'm honestly not sure how they would moderate it but I don't want to be the "leader of every ban and pick" I'm not a self entitled asshole who wants that. But it would be nice to have a well rounded team comp instead of something like a full ad team comp vs an early game team comp.
