Guys. It is not that hard to stay honorable. You have to be consistently reported across a lot of games in a short time frame to get so much as a warning most of the time. Seriously, just don't flame people or troll and you will be fine.
No flash no life30 votesjust don't flame people or troll
This is NA, you're asking too much.
TheKingOfBiches4 votesFlaming shouldn't be punishable,your also asking people too much to ignore someone on the internet,NA btw. I don't even know why your bringing NA into this in terms of toxicity,they are NOTHING compared to EUW and Korea. Its how sensitive NA is to flame,where EUW and Korea know how to not give a shit about someone flaming in a video game.
Chermorg20 votesRiot is a business. Their business is entertainment.
Players are not getting entertained if they are being flamed constantly. Riot likes when players are entertained because that is their business. Thus, if you're ruining Riot's business, it is in their best interest to get you to stop or remove you from the game.
TheKingOfBiches2 votesRiot is a business. Their business is entertainment.
Players are not getting entertained if they are being flamed constantly.
So riot should teach them to ignore flame so it doesn't matter,just outright removing people that flame is unfair. Playing against morgana/annie is not entertaining,should riot remove them from the game? There is a bunch of shit in the game that's not entertaining,at least with flame you could try solving the problem by encouraging people to ignore.
Riot likes when players are entertained because that is their business. Thus, if you're ruining Riot's business, it is in their best interest to get you to stop or remove you from the game.
Isn't removing players bad for business? Wouldn't it be better to teach players to ignore,then they won't care about flame,then you dont have to ban people for flame,I dont see anything wrong with this.
Chermorg18 votesThat's like saying Starbucks should teach it's customers to like black coffee instead of offering sweetened/creamier coffee beverages. It's absurd.
Riot realizes (as do most people with a basic understanding of business and statistics) that removing the very small portion of toxic players will only result in net business gains from the remaining, non-toxic players. Put another way, the reduction in business from allowing the players to remain is more than the reduction in business from removing those players and having everyone else's business still.
TheKingOfBiches3 votesThat's like saying Starbucks should teach it's customers to like black coffee instead of offering sweetened/creamier coffee beverages. It's absurd.
Awful comparison. Your comparing taste to emotions,ANYONE(unless you have a literal mental disability) has the ability to ignore words,no one can change their taste buds to liking something.
Riot realizes (as do most people with a basic understanding of business and statistics) that removing the very small portion of toxic players will only result in net business gains from the remaining, non-toxic players. Put another way, the reduction in business from allowing the players to remain is more than the reduction in business from removing those players and having everyone else's business still.
Like I said,they wouldn't NEED to remove them if players didn't care about flame in the first place,which is what riot needs to teach people to do.
Chermorg12 votesAnyone also has the ability to drink black coffee. A taste is just that - a preference. If people prefer to be in a game without flaming, that's their right.
TheKingOfBiches1 votesBut that doesn't mean they like black coffee. Yet again,you can't make them like black coffee,but you can make people ignore flame.
Btw,I doubt anybody leaves the game just because of some flamers,lol. If they are thats probably a tiny percent,when they coulve solved their own problem by ignoring flame.
Chermorg10 votesYou really can't make people ignore flame unless you remove chat altogether. You can teach someone to shrug it off, but that doesn't make it go away.
The bottom line is that even players who don't get upset, angry, frustrated, etc. by flaming are still affected by it and overwhelmingly dislike it - even if they don't give two shits about it.
TheKingOfBiches2 votesYou really can't make people ignore flame unless you remove chat altogether. You can teach someone to shrug it off, but that doesn't make it go away.
Fucking hell man,that's the mentality that makes NA the most sensitive region.you can't ignore flame?realy? I'm talking about litteraly ignoring what a person says,your saying that's impossible?not listening to what a person typed in the internet,that's impossible?? You act like a flamer has a gun over your head MAKING you take in the flame,quit that bull shit.
The bottom line is that even players who don't get upset, angry, frustrated, etc. by flaming are still affected by it and overwhelmingly dislike it - even if they don't give two shits about it.
That's a lie,lol.if they don't care then how would they dislike it?that counters the very definition of caring.disliking means they care...
Mogarl5 votesThat's a lie,lol.if they don't care then how would they dislike it?that counters the very definition of caring.disliking means they care...
When you tilt someone else on my team you make the whole game worse. Because flamers are so damn sensitive that they can't handle their own little rage tantrums it fucks me over when someone else can't deal with them. Not to mention flamers are also playing less when they are typing constantly so now I've potentially got two or more tilted people on my team because of the flamer that couldn't keep their mouth shut.
There is no gain from having people flaming in games, so why wouldn't it be better to just remove them? A different team works on it than gameplay and art after all. Makes no difference to me if some child/manchild that couldn't control themselves gets punished.
TheKingOfBiches1 votesWhen you tilt someone else on my team you make the whole game worse.
Because they let themselves get tilted,not the flamers problem,the person had the mental option to ignore the flamer,but they didn't.
Because flamers are so damn sensitive.that they can't handle their own little rage tantrums
Oh most can,they just intentionally let it out.and why shouldn't they?literal scientist have proven that suppressing your anger is bad for your health.
it fucks me over when someone else can't deal with them.
Yeah,they could've "dealt with them" by ignoring,yet again,not the flamers problem.
Not to mention flamers are also playing less when they are typing constantly .
That's a different issue,ANYONE plays less when typing,lol.
so now I've potentially got two or more tilted people on my team because of the flamer that couldn't keep their mouth shut.
Yet again they wouldn't have gotten tilted in the first place if they ignored the flamer,if the flamer is tilted thats because he dislikes what his team has done,not because hes flaming,that makes no sense.
There is no gain from having people flaming in games,
Oh but there IS gain,in ranked EUW/Korea flaming encourages them to try hard.
so why wouldn't it be better to just remove them?
Because thats unfair,its better to encourage people to solve an easy problem(MUTING/IGNORING,its magic ;)
Imperial Pandaa3 votesBecause they let themselves get tilted
Flamers let themselves get tilted though. So we are saying they can't deal with or ignore whatever is making them tilt, but someone else has to ignore the flamer?
If handled at A, then it never reaches B.
VermillionWolf2 votesTo some extent, you are correct. But if that were completely true, why not break down on trollers and inters harder than flamers? Which category ruins the game more?
######also why make this shit season if you want people to have fun######
Chermorg2 votesWho says they don't? Trolls and inters get an instant 14 day suspension on first confirmed offense (any amount, in any one game). The second? Instant permanent ban.
VermillionWolf1 votesYes but it is much easier for trolls to dodge a suspension than flamers
Chermorg2 votesAnd there is nothing Riot can do about this without increasing the number of players banned incorrectly for behavior they did not do.
TurtleGryphon2 votesI end up in games every night with people who have been inting for weeks. Guys with literally 0 kills, in any game, in weeks. The only thing riots system detects is if you say a bad word. Otherwise you're just fucked.
Biff the Bard2 votesI end up in games every night with people who have been inting for weeks. Guys with literally 0 kills, in any game, in weeks. The only thing riots system detects is if you say a bad word. Otherwise you're just fucked.
You are right. The problem is that RIOT's balance and matchmaking is both the worst I have seen and totally enforcing ELO hell - so if they ban people that have a bad score for several games (let alone instantly) they would ban people that suffer from RIOT's bad matchmaking.
There was that case like 6 months ago where that guy has been banned for feeding despite he was playing regularily. Because of LoL's (now officially) bad matchmaking. Eh... In the last game as Ashe, the enemy was full of Duskblade, I could do nothing but feed due to LoL's poor balancing efforts either. Now what?
Hi am Sloth2 votesMy biggest issue with this thinking is that it's not impossible for both to exist. They make you opt into all chat so they have a system that would make adding an anything goes chat. For example instead of /all I should be able,if i so choose, to (after going to the menu and accepting a disclamer) type /flm and speak freely in a seperate chat. Anything said in any other chats would still be reportable and punishable however they wouldnt have to ban people who stick to this chat maintaining there playerbase.
Chermorg1 votesBut you then end up with innocent players who are blocked from seeing comunication just because they don't want to see flaming.
Hi am Sloth2 votesIt's opt In, the only thing preventing them from joining is themselves deciding if they can or can not handle a lesser filtered zone
IainG102 votesNot wrong, but players also aren't currently entertained by the level of damage, the assassin meta, the complete irrelevance of turrets, the lack of comeback potential or the focus on LCS over players for balance decisions.....
franticFurball2 votesIts how sensitive NA is to flame,where EUW and Korea know how to not give a shit about someone flaming in a video game.
Oh really?
We don't care about flame here in EUW? So glad the very stable genius from the United States of Trumponia is telling us native Europeans what our mindset is.
And I suppose this board is just a figment of my imagination then, yes?
TheKingOfBiches3 votesI looked into their player behavior section and 95% care about people that troll/afk/int,5% care about flame.
So what your showing is a tiny percent actually making post against flame while most only care about trolls.
Ofcouse in EUW,a tiny fraction actually care about flame,but here in NA a large fraction care about flame.
franticFurball2 votesand 95% care about people that troll/afk/int,5% care about flame.
So...exactly the same as in the NA boards.
Your post, and your premise, are factually wrong, and it's not even hard to prove that with the data at hand...lets do a quick count of page 1, NA-en player behavior board, as of right now, 29-JUL-2018, 12:20 CEST:
That is less than 1/5th of all posts. The rest are about trolling, inting, questions regarding the punishment system, questions regarding the honor system, and the odd off-topic guy who posted on the wrong board.
Your player behavior board looks EXACTLY like the one I'm used to from EUW, minus the fact that you don't get posts in all russian/german/french/polish because someone forgot to swap his language settings after switching boards :P
TheKingOfBiches1 votesThe boards is a tiny fraction of the player base,so a few people that care about toxicity in EUW means nothing for EUW as a whole.
franticFurball2 votesSo now that it turns out that the boards do not support your PoV, suddenly the boards don't matter, when only 2 posts up you based your entire statement on the boards?
I looked into their player behavior section and 95% care about people that troll/afk/int,5% care about flame.
Wow.
I think even Sarah Huckabee Sanders is more consistent in her bullshitting the press than you are in your statements...
TheKingOfBiches1 votesI never based NA player behavior as the whole community tho,I only did that when you replied to me,but I've deleted it since I fucked up.it doesn't show CURRENTLY that NA player behavior is flooded with anti toxicity post,because players are starting to get more trolls and inters because the state of the game.but I've lurked in player behavior for months and seen a lot of anti toxicity post.
franticFurball1 votesit doesn't show CURRENTLY
Then here is a proposition:
Board posts don't get deleted over time, you can literally go all the way back to the first posts ever written here, and check them out. So if you think the data available supports your point of view, then by all means, go back through the logs and show me.
I will be right here, waiting.
TheKingOfBiches1 votesI've checked and im still correct.but how the hell im i sopose to show you?is it possible to link it? I don't even know how to link on phone,lol
franticFurball2 votesYou don't know how to copypaste an URL on your own phone?
Wow.
Come back and resume talking to me, when you have mastered basic living skills.
AMDphreak22 votesRemember the number one rule of internet? Leave your emotions at home! Everyone knew this in forums and all over the internet, before RIOT invented the fake news term, "TOXIC". Then everyone conveniently FORGOT about it. Learn what the internet is. It's not your day-care away from reality. Get over it! (this argument is not directed at the parent thread, but at people in general).
TheKingOfBiches1 votesWhen did you pull that number one rule out of your ass? You even said to leave your emotions at home,then players shouldn't generate emotions from a toxic player,just ignore. Thanks for agreeing with me?
AMDphreak21 votesYou can't read. Go back, try again. I mean school. You clearly didn't pay attention in school. THEN you can try this again.
AMDphreak21 votesIt is the emotional responsiveness to what others write that you must leave at home. If you emotionally feel things from that, you're just a dummy. Since when do words hurt???? At the end of the day, do you know person X who said mean hateful thing Y? No. So it doesn't matter what they said. But putting a ban system behind that gives teeth to any hateful or incompetent feelings on anyone's part.
floo1 votesWhy flame in the first place? It provides nothing helpful and only lowers motivation.
TheKingOfBiches2 votesFlame is motivation to get your shit together,its proven in EUW and Korea,in ranked when they get flamed they take it as motivation and start try harding. Flame lowers motivation if your sensitive,if you ignored the flame it wouldnt do shit in the first place.
floo1 votesYou do know that you could give a simple, kind advice just as well and you would reach out even to those "sensitive" people. And how about instead of shitting on someone for motivation, actually MOTIVATE them by being positive, isn't so hard, is it?
AMDphreak21 votesNope. People ignore that. They're like "no I got this. Leeerrooooy Jennnnnkins!" Or they tunnel vision on a completely risky endeavor like tower diving someone for no reason. But it all stems from them having the ego of a F'ing Donald Trump. Anyway, I do try that first, but inevitably it comes to more harsh wording, because these idiot players don't listen to anything. If you're trying to inform them that dragon is free if they would stop putting themselves in overextended positions and feeding, they don't listen. I literally just played 1 For All game mode, had 3 Shacos (not including me) sitting around doing nothing right next to Baron, and I pinged Baron 10 TIMES and wrote in chat "FREE BARON" "COME BARON" "BARON" "LISTEN MORONS: BARON!". I even individually warning pinged each of these retarded players so they would SEE the pings as well as hear them and look at the map. It was all Shaco's, and we had ults, so that's potentially 8 shacos on baron. Wanna know how many of these three Shaco's responded?????
0 ZERO null nil
So I solo'd Baron down to 100 health and died all the while pinging these morons to come help. Then one of them shows up late like "oh now I'll help" and he dies to it, like a classic wood division shitter. They were doing literally nothing that entire time. Farming enemy jungle on Baron side? Is that important? NO! Standing in a bush looking at an empty midlane with no enemies to gank? Is that important? NO! Standing under tower waiting for enemies to long range poke you with ult? Sound intelligent to you? Maybe, since you seem to support other obviously bad ideas like the report system.
These players with the intellect of Ed Edd 'n Eddy should not even exist, let alone be allowed to queue up if they're going to be that inept at the game and irresponsible about listening to pings and pitching in to help with big objectives, at NO COST TO THEMSELVES.
They deserve the flame. It oughta make them realize how big they fucked up. We lost that game, thanks to their stupidity. I went back and finally got 2 of these idiots to baron with me, then we almost ended the game but lost a base race. If they'd listened the first time, it'd be a much different story. No loss, no flame, no irritation.
So, you have TWO (2) nonexclusive choices for philosophy here:
floo1 votesFirst of all, One for All is a fun game mode.. I understand if people don't try so hard in it. Then, I'm sure there are people that need this kind of "aggressive motivation" to get going.. but that doesn't mean you can get everybody to do better by flaming them. If they respond with "I got this" then show them what doesn't work in their playstyle. Yea some people are ignorant, but if they are, they will most likely stay that way even if you shit-talk them. Personally I wouldn't do shit for someone flaming the way I play, just because he does. However, a kind advice is never wrong. I can't change the way you think about this, but I'm just saying, normally aggression gets a similar response which probably isn't what you want.
AMDphreak21 votesActually not true. My best learning moments as a student and child were from people who were low in Agreeableness personality trait. That's all this stupid ban system is anyway, a cheap ploy by RIOT to pit the emotionally hyperreactive people with their "delicate sensibilities" against the people with low Agreeableness, for the sake of re-monetizing those people, forcing them to spend money on the same stuff again. This is why the whole "only 0.01% of the population gets punished blah blah blah" lies from RIOT are so amusingly stupid to me. People who score low in Agreeableness constitute the low end of the Bell Curve for that personality factor. Combine with a game that PROMOTES a competitive mindset, and you can guarantee that the game is the problem, not the "community". It's RIOT. They didn't fix their bugs, or their balance problems. Even Scarra asked: "When's the last time anyone played League and was having fun?" IT'S NOT US, RIOT. IT'S YOU.
Link for Agreeableness trait per the HEXACO personality theory: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1207/s15327906mbr3902_8
You don't have to agree with someone or their shitty feeding "strategy" in game. There is NOTHING IN REALITY that requires that.
SugeMinPikk2 votesCompared to all other regions, NA is soft as fuck
######oops typo xd
Teslyn11 votesgive people advice they can use... Riot encourages RPing with their characters. So they may need some good lines to give them motivation to continue.
example:
ARRRR... if i could fill my barrels with salt i would have the lowest CD with you on my team.
Wanna be my Leonardo in the cold woods?
you should see what i can do to your house. By the way have you seen my back story?
i only need one leg for what i am going to do to you, but i am going to use all 8 to prove a point.
Later tonight .. wanna play a game called, guess why that burns a week later?
Cacoo Cacoo Cacoo..
Wanna see where a Gem can go and it still shines?
i would like you to put your lips around my shot gun.
I would prefer you like i like my women...
Mundo thinks you're a little sissy.
I would like you to know that i have barbs in odd places would you like to find out where? (Because he is cat)
TheKingOfBiches5 votesMost of those are cringy and not going to do shit to an actual toxic player.
VermillionWolf6 votesBy my experience repeating the same thing over and over kinda shuts down a toxic player. In game I just copy paste the same response to flame 'Do you feel better now' and eventually they call shut up.
Bijeesny2 votesWhen you get a huge series of games where you encounter trolls, afk-s, people who don't play to win in ranked, games which are sucking up every last drop of positivity out of you and there is NOTHING YOU CAN DO besides sucking it up because Riot won't do shit to protect you from that, then come back and read your post again. I'm betting my life you won't have the same opinion.
My point is, don't judge some1 until you put yourself in their shoes. Or in this case, don't judge toxic people until you experience things which made them toxic in the first place. [slayer-jinx-catface]
Wacky98 votesI have plenty of trolls in my games and yet somehow I have the self-control to wait until lobby and report them. Losing a game doesn't cause enough emotional damage to justify flaming someone.
AMDphreak21 votesI surround myself with intelligent people IRL, and I teach them and keep them informed and expect the same from them. Trying to wrestle an intelligent response out of stupid people in a game is both irritating and necessary to do the ONE (1) thing that you came there to do: win.
