Tribunal is now a way of bullying other players, not a way to punish trolls.

Lepandaman·Dec 2, 2015·4 votes·1,014 views

I cant go 1 game without some one reporting some one. Weather its my team, or the enemy team. There is always throwing their anger at another players. AND YOU'RE HANDING OUT PUNISHMENTS FOR IT. What? Right now I have this cue wait time because I sat at fountain while the enemies took our last turret. My team mates reported me in spite of having the highest k.d.r. a week ago i was put on chat restrict for muting my team mates who were all cap raging. I've been banned for 9 days because of a video card crash. I got 2 weeks of detention for saying Catlyn Jenner isn't a hero. I'm not a troll. I'm a regular player that thinks this is getting way out of hand. And its pretty irresponsible of riot to allow crybullies to control their game.

15 Comments

Deep Terror NamiDec 2, 20159 votes

Got a reform card to share with us?

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

PlsTouchMeGentlyDec 2, 20151 votes

lolol Nami, I love you.

IpolsDec 2, 20152 votes

you waiting for the summoner 11 , too?

JubbinautDec 2, 20155 votes

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Right now I have this cue wait time because I sat at fountain while the enemies took our last turret. My team mates reported me in spite of having the highest k.d.r.

LPQs have nothing to do with the Instant Feedback system - they're issued by Leaverbuster, which doesn't require reports anyway. And I don't think your KDA is very relevant to whether or not you decided to idle in fountain (a behavior Leaverbuster was specifically designed to detect), or whether or not doing so is considered punishable.

a week ago i was put on chat restrict for muting my team mates who were all cap raging.

Somehow I doubt this. But I'd love to be proven wrong! Care to share the Reform Card?

I've been banned for 9 days because of a video card crash.

... I don't even know how those two things would relate. But Riot's bans are issued in 7- and 14-day blocks nowadays, so I have to question the veracity of your statement. Even when the Tribunal was active (it's not right now), it didn't issue 9-day bans.

I got 2 weeks of detention for saying Catlyn Jenner isn't a hero.

And this has what to do with League?

SqkergDec 2, 20153 votes

^ This x1000

PDE5 InhibitorsDec 2, 20151 votes

I agree with OP's idea about League players being too thin skinned and all, but don't agree with his situation whatsoever because of all the things you just said lol.

Can he share his reform card for chat ban, though? I thought it was only for 2 week and permabans that you got a reform card.

JubbinautDec 2, 20151 votes

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I agree with OP's idea about League players being too thin skinned and all, but don't agree with his situation whatsoever because of all the things you just said lol.

Eh. I grant that some people can be over-sensitive, but I don't think it's a majority by any means. I also don't think it matters that much - the system itself isn't as sensitive as all that, so it's not like there's any real threat behind their whiny-ness.

Can he share his reform card for chat ban, though? I thought it was only for 2 week and permabans that you got a reform card.

A few patches back (5.18? I think?) they added Reform Cards for all Instant Feedback punishments.

TheodorosDec 2, 20152 votes

I agree wholeheartedly that there are many players misusing the report system, or excessively reporting someone simply because they didn't perform well in a match. The amount of toxicity I've been encountering lately in my ranked matches has been absolutely astronomical, and I've been reported on many occasions for just going negative in the laning phase.

In my opinion, Riot needs to seriously change how they deal with in-game reports. Riot seems to diminish the value of reports received from players who they deem "toxic", and allowing a system that is largely automated punish players seems unreasonable. I understand that the system can be effective for the extremely toxic players, but for the mildly toxic ones who are surrounded by other mildly toxic players in ranked game, the report system is currently being used as a way for some players to "have the last laugh" after a match is over. I don't think this was the intended purpose whosoever.

ZielmannDec 2, 20151 votes

The systems in place are extremely accurate, and built to err on the side of letting players off the hook (they do not want to be handing out false bans). I can only recall 2 instances in all this time of a ban being revoked, and those were extremely unique circumstances and happened a while ago.

You can call the police and file false police reports against your neighbors and they might show up to investigate them. But then the investigation turns back nothing, and nothing happens to them, because they've done nothing wrong. And if you call and make false police reports too often, you can actually be the one getting in trouble.

It's the same in league. Players who repeatedly falsely report players have the weight of their reports lowered, until they're eventually ignored by the system. The players they're reporting aren't getting banned, because they did nothing wrong and the system realizes that. And in the past, Riot has even gone through and punished a bunch of players who were regularly abusing the report feature.

And to clarify something you said, it's not that toxic players have their report values dropped. Like I said above, players who frequently falsely report others are the ones who have the weight taken away from their reports.

TheodorosDec 2, 20151 votes

You state that the system is highly accurate, but I disagree. I think that the system contains many flaws. Can a system be perfect? No. I do understand, and recognize that Riot has been taking strides to improve the system. I appreciate this, however, I disagree with many methods of how it is facilitated.

I am a player, and forum moderator on another massive online game, a middle school teacher in real life, and I have been deemed "toxic" in the past due to being reported after giving some constructive feedback to players. I have never used profanity in the game, and would consider myself extremely mild on my worst days. I have seen firsthand that being "gang reported" by players can lead to chat restrictions. I find it so ironic that on one game I'm considered a "community role model" and "ambassador", and then on another I'm considered "toxic". I have also had numerous "ribbons" on League of Legends for teamwork, honorable opponent, and even the gold one for "leadership" and have probably close to 2,000 "honors".

Riot's system isn't perfect. I understand that players who are falsely reporting in theory should have their report values dropped, however, I am not confident in how Riot is facilitating this process. I understand the information that Riot has published regarding their report policies clearly. I also understand that they state that action is not taken against innocent players. After seeing a player get a chat restriction for making yordle jokes in the "all chat" for being considered "annoying", and a player receiving the same punishment for making homophobic jokes, I think the system is flawed and needs to be reworked. I'm encountering toxic players in almost every single one of my ranked matches, and I don't see any evidence that something is being done.

Riot's reporting system isn't perfect. They are revamping it and trying to improve it, however, there is alot of work that needs to be done. There are many inconsistencies, and there are situations in which players should not be punished or should receive a different type of punishment. I think Riot's "campaign" against toxicity needs to be examined, and facilitated differently.

LepandamanDec 2, 20151 votes

I dont know how to get that. But I have a low queue prority right now because my team all reported me for letting the enemy finish the game. The thing is. If just 1 single team is united on screwing you over its done. No trial.

SmokedAlmondsDec 2, 20151 votes

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I dont know how to get that. But I have a low queue prority right now because my team all reported me for letting the enemy finish the game. The thing is. If just 1 single team is united on screwing you over its done. No trial.

Active non participation is considered the same as leaving. You weren't punished because people teamed up to report you but rather because of what you did. Reports only trigger reviews for w/e behavior is being reported.

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Player behavior systems are not just based on reports. Even if a premade of 4 reported you, if the reports are false, you won't receive a penalty. All player behavior systems are backed by the Report System, which tries to validate every single report. If a report is false, the reporter loses "value" in his reports and the relevant player behavior system ignores the reports. If a report is accurate, the reporter gains "value" and his reports become more powerful. The current Reform System analyzes chat logs for negative behaviors, so it goes beyond just looking at false or accurate reports. I don't even remember a case where a player was punished because of false reports from a premade of 4.

PDE5 InhibitorsDec 2, 20151 votes

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ThatH1N1Dec 2, 20151 votes

You got 2 weeks of detention for saying caitlyn jenner is not a hero? What kind of nazi school do you go to?

I mean bruce was a badass runner back in the day but, penis or no penis, that thing is no hero.

EvilDustManDec 2, 20151 votes

I've been thinking about this. The fact is, reporting HASN'T increased. I'm absolutely sure reporting is just the same as it used to be. However, now, you can actually SEE when people get reported. But they've never applied false reports at all.