Why I got chat banned this time.... sure. Fine. Lets go zero tolerance.

SurrealJC··1 votes·7,125 views

https://youtu.be/nKtomu0f1-Q Let Day[9] explain it

OMG YOU EVEN PUT THIS EXAMPLE OF THIS EXACT SCENARIO IN YOUR OWN COMMERCIAL? MOVE WHY AREN'T YOU MOVING!!!"RIP" banned.
Moral of the story, this company doesn't want me or anyone like me too play their games. Correction the company wants and invites us to play, the players decide they don't like us and tell the company to kick us out. But all using emotions and opinions rather than facts and realism.

"Is the system really so weak that it cannot withstand a simple criticism?"-jean-luc picard This is all that is.. I'm picard and you're Edo God, the ultimate adjudicator. There can be no justice while justice is absolute.

If you have not seen the episode Star Trek TNG"Justice" I'll explain it quick. Wesley is playing with other children and they are all getting caught up in it. One kid throws the ball and Wes goes to catch it and in putting in the effort to ensure he catches the ball he trips and lands on a flower bed and is sentenced to the single form of punishment that exists in that society. Death is the sentence used to deter any crimes and everyone knows exactly what all the rules are. I'm just Wesley here...

What if I had said "Are you just going to keep diving in to the enemy team alone and feeding all game until we lose?" I promise you this is the exact same situation. I can not believe I just got chat restricted for having 3 people in game telling me i suck several times. (they were saying it cuz i gave up first blood to their kat in a sort of 1v1 right in front of our tower while all 4 of them ran behind the tower and danced around. I didn't type anything at this point but i was thinking, "what are they doing?" for like 5 minutes as the kayle (who never spoke once all game) was also struggling and basically got solod down to 100 right away as we were trying to play the game and they were all hovering and running away behind the tower. Then later i was using graves ult to dps the enemy down in lane and they kept "?" pinging me every time even tho i didnt miss a single ult. I guess they just assumed I was wasting my ult because I wasnt using it to get a kill and they assumed they did all the dmg and got all the kills themselves) So I said "you guys are just gonna stand behind the tower while i solofight kat? is your plan to do nothing until we lose?" So yaaa thats what triggered them... I guess its a bit snarky of a thing to say but ... u know.. chat banned? If u heard my tone of voice and u were sitting beside me you'd laugh at the comment cuz its a fairly innocent roast. And... in all fairness that's what they were doing lol. So ya thats what set them off and the dude just HAD to tell me over and over how bad I am.

So I asked the dude to apologize twice and then said "you're a bad person" and asked "would you be mean to me again if we played again?" dude says "yes". Clearly choosing to be an actual jerk. I also told the enemy team to report em for verbal", which i know is a whiney thing to request, but once again as far as I'm concerned I made an undirected comedic roast at my team and they flipped out and couldn't handle it..... chat restricted just because 3 of them were gang-bullying me for asking them to back me up more in the fights.. this isn't right.. i can no longer support your company. I am adding riot to the list that blizzard activision is on. Goodbye riot games. I hereby judge your company morally bankrupt and devoid of humanity. You are hereby sentenced to crumble to the abyss in spirit and in form.

You need to go back to player adjudicated ban system which is part of what made this games community so embedded and passionate about the project. Zero tolerance is not fair treatment for anyone. Zero tolerance is only uniform treatment: If a player chats that player, that deserves to be banned because somewhere, someone was offended by what they said.

Did you not get the memo riot? Project snowflake was cancelled. You lost the SJW-Dictatorship-mentality war. (To clarify what this means.. it means we all took a hard look at ourselves and said "Yeah.. i don't care if you call me the wrong pronoun. I don't care if you call me stupid because your opinion doesn't matter, and therefore while we're having this battle of imaginary opinions I don't care what I say about you either, and none of it matters and we will all forget it 2 hours from now or by tomorrow morning.")

(Last Edit) You know, I really wonder if they were purposely playing super passively and not fighting and letting me die the whole game just to justify me asking them to help and then reporting me in trio and they're probably going around and getting tons of people banned every time they can get someone to even say one thing about them not helping. We did win, I made sure not to die butt the shyvana was avoiding battle as much as possible and was the carry. Why did his buddy say "It only takes one" (report to get me banned)? Employee? Or tried and tested method of getting people banned because they are professional trolls.

Can we PLEASE take the term "verbal abuse" a LITTLE more seriously? Do you think they were... traumatized or emotionally harmed in any way by me saying three sentences to them? Did I personally insult them in any specific way? Was I laying in to them to the point of actually distressing them? Could they possible have felt endangered or restricted? Is it acceptable for this person to get so upset and spaz on me, therefor justifying my punishment? Can I get reported for encouraging people to focus and asking if they're going to stay behind the tower all game? Reported for phrasing? Maybe assume more of a legal system view of the term "verbal abuse/Harassment" rather than taking the opinion of any old 16 year old.

Test: Harassment? Definition: aggressive pressure or intimidation. - So actually according to this definition telling/ordering someone do something rather than asking them is harassment. So... If you've ever said "go morg" in chat, that's harassment. And the inclusion of 'aggressive pressure' means harassment is rampant in our society and even pinging could be interpreted as harassment. Ridicule? definition: Contemptuous dismissal. - Slightly contemptuous maybe but not dismissive.. im requesting engagement. Intimidation? Definition: To frighten someone to do what one wants. - No, nothing frightening about what I said in any way. Please... explain this to me? Send me an email with the chat again please I didnt save it cuz it was cringey. I don't know how it would look with only my chat, that's annoying but you could fill in the blanks. It happened exactly as I said I'm pretty sure... Oh I did say something about illaoi not making your screen glow anymore and that bothered me. I'd probably edit that part out of the transcript just because I don't see how its relevant.

Furthermore regardless of what you read and agree to on paper, you are voluntarily signing up to play with real people in the real world and that comes with real expectations of positive and negative encounters with people. I think its just silly to demand that "every interaction on this platform must be the most positive interaction possible and if you express any doubt that you don't like someone report them to remove them." <- That is what is stupid. That is what I can't support. There is no vaccination against frustration. And you shouldn't write someone off just because they are complaining. I love toxic people. I get them. I'm human. I understand. None of you do? None of you understand what it is to be human and grow and learn and interact thoroughly, in such a manner as I am doing now?

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TheLastShadow457 votes

"you guys are just gonna stand behind the tower while i solofight kat? is your plan to do nothing until we lose?"

Post chat logs, I don't believe that is the only thing you said.

SurrealJC1 votes

How can I get the chat log back? I'm pretty sure that's most of what I said, the worst of it at the very least. I assume I'll get the transcript in an email tomorrow and then I'll let you know. I think its important for us to be able to review those chat logs readily though... we shouldnt be forced to record all our video to analyze some silly conflict. Like.. the transcript did pop up in game and i kinda forgot that passing comment that I said right in the beginning, basically: u guys not going to help me fight this kat? Cause... yeah i completely forgot I said that. Its such a mild passing comment to say and every player has those thoughts and I am stupid enough to type them thinking "hey maybe this person wants to know how they could have done better" I'm really working on making my comments non toxic while preserving my passion for ... coaching? i dont know.. i want to be able to motivate people without saying negative things and it takes a lot of practice and adjustment to make it acceptable apparently, and sob story for me i inherited my parents shhhhhort behaviour.. . FOR ME .. i type in chat a LOT im super talkative online (not in person). I am not trying to get chat banned and why would i think such a mild comment would lead to a chat ban? How the heck was that so offensive to them? So why is there a chat if we're only allowed to say "good job" "wait for my ult". we have in game tools for all that, theres no reason to have the chat at all, just get rid of it at this point its a severe hindrance to the game.

PresBushDid7118 votes

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How can I get the chat log back? I'm pretty sure that's most of what I said, the worst of it at the very least. I assume I'll get the transcript in an email tomorrow and then I'll let you know.

When you log in your logs should be right there... unless you already served your punishment.

Also what the does this have to do with "snowflakes", sjw, etc.? The summoners code is unchanged for years. I would be careful calling others snowflakes when you are publicly whining about a ban on a kids game when the rules are rather simplistic to follow (and you agreed to them).

SurrealJC

Well... I'm not complaining about a ban in a game I'm complaining about improper justice and inhumane procedures.

GreenKnight4 votes

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Well... I'm not complaining about a ban in a game I'm complaining about improper justice and inhumane procedures.

In other words, you are complaining about a ban.

SurrealJC

No I'm complaining about blanket discipline.

GreenKnight3 votes

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No I'm complaining about blanket discipline.

I can not believe I just got chat restricted for having 3 people in game telling me i suck several times. (they were saying it cuz i gave up first blood to their kat in a sort of 1v1 right in front of our tower while all 4 of them ran behind the tower and danced around. I didn't say anything but i was like "what are they doing" for like 5 minutes. Then later i was using graves ult to dps the enemy down in lane and they kept "?" pinging me every time even tho i didnt miss a single ult. I guess they just assumed I was wasting my ult because I wasnt using it to get a kill and they assumed they did all the dmg and got all the kills themselves) So I said "you guys are just gonna stand behind the tower while i solofight kat? is your plan to do nothing until we lose?" So yaaa thats what triggered them... I guess its a bit snarky of a thing to say but ... u know.. chat banned? If u heard my tone of voice and u were sitting beside me you'd laugh at the comment cuz its a fairly innocent roast. And... in all fairness that's what they were doing lol. So ya thats what set them off and the dude just HAD to tell me over and over how bad I am.

Here you are talking about your personal punishment. Which is not that severe.

SurrealJC

Yeah. Regardless of the lack of severity or concern I tend to speak passionately because that's who I am... and can you believe how serious this forum is taking it? Tryin to call me all sorts of names and disrespect me because i disagree with a chat banning policy? lol. Its just a simple discussion where I'm right and you fellows all try to change my mind. Its called calibrating. Think I don't enjoy a good punishment yet I'm willing to post this thread? lol.. think again. My whole life is suffering and loving it. George Costanza is a joke to me.

GreenKnight4 votes

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Yeah. Regardless of the lack of severity or concern I tend to speak passionately because that's who I am... and can you believe how serious this forum is taking it? Tryin to call me all sorts of names and disrespect me because i disagree with a chat banning policy? lol. Its just a simple discussion where I'm right and you fellows all try to change my mind. Its called calibrating. Think I don't enjoy a good punishment yet I'm willing to post this thread?

Are you trying to make yourself into a victim? It's not working.

King Sheeptar2 votes

best part is theyre all the whiny pussies who ruin the game. You're NOT wrong for calling out teammates and asking "wtf help" cant do it though. rito defends whiny lil bitches over people who act try. Its the new age mentality of feeders add memers and " haha i aint even trying apes" I literally got a chat restrict for calling someone a potato. horriobly offensive.

aka. na league players. you're a; abunch of 1st world whiney ass pussies. Imagine if you encountered REAL fcking REAL LIFE issues. whiny little kids in their homes behind a computer eating for free and no job. whoa is you

GreenKnight3 votes

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best part is theyre all the whiny pussies who ruin the game. You're NOT wrong for calling out teammates and asking "wtf help" cant do it though. rito defends whiny lil bitches over people who act try. Its the new age mentality of feeders add memers and " haha i aint even trying apes" I literally got a chat restrict for calling someone a potato. horriobly offensive.

aka. na league players. you're a; abunch of 1st world whiney ass pussies. Imagine if you encountered REAL fcking REAL LIFE issues. whiny little kids in their homes behind a computer eating for free and no job. whoa is you

I... don't understand. Are you trying to insult me, or the OP?

rujitra3 votes

But calling out people for making mistakes IS being a "whiney ass pussies"... so you say that you don't like "whiney ass pussies" but then you defend them? Are you a hypocrite, or a liar, or just dumb?

SurrealJC

lol. passionate rant. Yeah you kinda got how I feel right there. I think... i just realized its the baby boomers babys babys.. there's gonna be twice as many of them and they have the intrinsic psychopathy of wanting to overthrow their fathers hence OK BOOMER. They were cultivated into this environment of an aggressive non-confrontation campaign. So they don't know how to criticise or complain and they see it all as incredibly hostile when in fact its just an observation and a passing comment, get over it im not writing the future bible here. They think they have the right to not be interacted with. And thats never going to be a thing in nature.

rujitra5 votes

You seem not to know the meaning of the words "justice" and "inhumane".

SurrealJC

No I just have a more balanced concept of the meanings of the words than you do.

rujitra5 votes

That's not how it works. The words have the same meaning - that's how language works. You're trying to change the meaning of them to support your narrative - that is called deception and lying.

SurrealJC

Actually I just learned that youre completely wrong about that statement and words are indeed incredibly flexible. And you in fact just proved my point by using your own words to describe a foreign intention that you are completely unaware of. You call me a liar and a deceiver when I am actually a truth shower and I'm trying to open your mind to a world where things aren't static like you've been taught they are. If you'd like to point out HOW I am wrong then I'd be happy to continue the debate on the topic of the definition of justice but as it stands you're just another finger pointer.

GonahtanuGepardi1 votes

a truth shower

So does that include water or some other liquids?

GonahtanuGepardi1 votes

Also delusion.

AlphaIIOmega1 votes

You sound like an uneducated 12 year old.

rujitra2 votes

And this is exactly the behavior that gets you punished in game too - you insult people simply because you disagree with them. You are the problem - not others.

PresBushDid7115 votes

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Well... I'm not complaining about a ban in a game I'm complaining about improper justice and inhumane procedures.

How is it improper justice? You agree to the rules, the rules are easily read, and you reaffirm your agreement to abide by the rules each patch. Inhumane? To avoid punishment all you have to do is.... nothing. You can doable your enter key and never be punished (minus trolling). Likewise, there is absolutely nothing anyone else can do to get you punished. How much simpler can this shit get?

SurrealJC

Your philosophy is to avoid being active, to avoid interaction, to avoid conflict. That always leads to extinction unless you're bacteria. This is why we can't have nice marriages anymore!

PresBushDid7114 votes

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Your philosophy is to avoid being active, to avoid interaction, to avoid conflict. That always leads to extinction unless you're bacteria.

... it's not a "philosophy", I just stated how easy it is to NOT be punished. You are the one calling it inhumane and not "justice". We aren't talking about life, we are talking about a game which has pretty fucking easy to understand guidelines. The only ones that go extinct are are the ones that break the rules. It is entirely impossible to go extinct in the Riot world if you avoid conflict (minus game play infractions).

Just an FYI I've had many more punishments then you, so far ~11 chat restrictions and 1 14 day ban. I just happen to recognize that I'm an asshole in game and I'm willing to pay the price for it.

SurrealJC1 votes

Yeah I've been banned before for raging in multiple ranked games. Ive been banned for it twice and I almost lost my account a few years ago but ... I managed to reform for a while, stayed away from ranked so I didn't have any statistical influences behind my behavior. SO I know what Ive been banned for in the past... and this just seems ccrraazzyyy.. I JUST got honour 1/3 and this was the only game I've played. The guy in chat said "it only takes one" so i guess he had some insight as to how easy it is to get someone banned now.

Beacon Academy2 votes

Theres some next level mental gymnastics going on here...

Just post the chat logs dude.

Eedat7 votes

improper justice and inhumane procedures.

How are you gonna call other people snowflakes when you call breaking some simple rules that you agreed to and getting a minor slap on the wrist inhumane? You're blowing my mind. I think you might want to take a few to evaluate who is the snowflake

SurrealJC1 votes

I'm a snowflake for having a conversation about the hypersensitivity of chat banning in a game?

Eedat7 votes

No. You are being a snowflake because in this discussion you mention you call getting a light slap on the wrist for breaking rules you agreed to "improper justice and inhumane procedures". You are grossly over-exaggerating a slap on the wrist and attempting to make it seem akin to human rights violations lol.

RyzeRework1 votes

Lol I flame and I'm toxic and I dont get banned so you prolly have to be super toxic to actually get banned

TheLastShadow451 votes

They stopped sending emails years ago. When you log back into the game it should give you a prompt about your ban and give you the chat logs.

AlphaIIOmega2 votes

Even without chat logs, I already know he's right. I've had the same thing happen to me several times. This game will punish you for defending yourself.

My chat bans all stem from games where my jungle doesn't gank top lane, then I get dived multiple times by 2-3 other players, and now I'm 0-3 and behind on farm. Then every else starts telling me I'm trash and I suck, despite the entire team abandoning me and not helping me in the slightest.

Now when I defend myself, everyone else reports me. I'm the one that gets chat ban. This is bullying and harassment by committee, and the same thing happens on these very forums.

It should be illegal to gang up on people. If everyone jumps on someone, they should all get a chat ban. And at the very least, allow people to defend themselves against such behaviour.

rujitra4 votes

No. If you are attacking back, you are not defending yourself.

You do not get punished for "getting ganged up on". You only get punished if you are part of the problem. This is the same as it is in the real world.

rujitra7 votes

I can not believe I just got chat restricted for having 3 people in game telling me i suck several times.

This is not why you were chat restricted.

So I said "you guys are just gonna stand behind the tower while i solofight kat? is your plan to do nothing until we lose?"

This sort of passive aggressive "salty" behavior is part of the reason you got restricted.

I guess its a bit snarky of a thing to say but ... u know.. chat banned?

Yes, things that are negative and detract from the game for other players result in you getting punished. Not sure why that's confusing.

and then said "you're a bad person" and asked "would you be mean to me again if we played again?"

Arguing, and flaming other players - not acceptable.

chat restricted just because 3 of them were gang-bullying me

No, again, you were restricted for your own behavior. Didn't you have a post about this earlier? Where did that one go? You aren't going to get different answers.

I hereby judge your company morally bankrupt and devoid of humanity.

And I judge you the same way. Most humans will judge you the same way - morally bankrupt - because you consider that you are more important than everyone else and that the rules don't have to apply to you.

RĘVÈÑGE1 votes

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ModPeriscope3 votes

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ProphetOfDraven5 votes

Okay bro I'm going to give you a quick coaching session on how to NEVER get chat restricted or punished in general on league.

  1. Never say no tolerance phrases. This one is pretty simple and obvious.

  2. Avoid long draw out conversations. You are much more likely to get picked up on the punishment radar when you go on a huge keyboard warrior typing spree flaming people, even if your flame isn't that bad.

  3. End conversations. Either through muting or just not replying. I personally drop a classic "XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD muted and reported". Then move on and play the game.

  4. Stop playing other peoples games. By this I mean realize that they are probably baiting you into saying something reportable. Refer to point 3, Drop a long XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD and mute them.

  5. If someone says some delusion shit like blaming you for something that obviously isn't your fault, just drop an "XD muted"

I know a lot of this is controversial but I thought it needed to be said.

SurrealJC3 votes

Thank you that is excellent advice and ill try to keep it all in mind as I go. In this game I simply started asking them why they were insulting me or being mean, cuz i forgot i made that snarky comment lol. Thoughts come and go so fast and I try to filter it into a sarcastic comedy roast but ya.. that still realllly offends people. I seem to think its amusing and often other teammates also find it amusing. Few add on to my toxicity in a worse way. Usually 1 person never talks and 2-3 ppl are usually willing to talk and if your whole team isn't losing maybe top lane is still in a good mood and you both get to enjoy the joke about your team's failure.

#"#4" [fiora-cool] [sg-miss-fortune] [sg-miss-fortune] [sg-miss-fortune]

I mean.. I even feel bad about saying "reported" like.. there's a certain satisfaction but deep down its cringe same with asking the enemy team to report .... ya .. ok. I wish to not say that type of thing again. Can we all just... do this? Quit with the reporting threats and maybe exchange it with a request for peace and no chat bans.

HoldMyPlank5 votes

chat logs or it didnt happen

AlphaIIOmega2 votes

You don't need chat logs to know there's a real uneven enforcement problem in league.

I've seen people get banned for saying "jungle is trash" for an 0-4 jungle. And I've seen 0-5 duo queue bot lanes harass every single other player in game, and when someone replies to their harassment, they get chat restricted because the bot lane both report every single other player on their team.

There are tons of stories with chat logs that prove these things happen.

Why are some players allowed to say "jungle is trash" or "bot is trash" and not get banned, while others do? Either ban everyone saying these things, or ban no one saying these things. This game has a massive uneven enforcement problem.

Beacon Academy3 votes

wHo nEdDs 'eViDeNcE?'

CharDeeMcDenniz2 votes

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You don't need chat logs to know there's a real uneven enforcement problem in league.

actually yes, we do

Hethalean2 votes

Just look up Hitchen's Razor. Should do a lot of good.

RibbyTheButcher4 votes

Just don't talk to anyone, ever, that is my recommendation, not worth it. Just turn off chat

Swiff Swish3 votes

Why is this still an argument when you can just show the chat logs and prove you did nothing wrong? That is of course a different story if you are lying, which is probably the case lmao. It's not that hard to show chat logs. Just do it or I'm not going to believe you. Your "argument" is just hearsay based on what you are describing, which can be extremely biased. Just show proof, it's easy.

Beacon Academy3 votes

You can't complain, not post evidence (chat logs), and then expect anyone to go up in arms over your ban.

SurrealJC1 votes

What this does is... it means you can only talk during games you're winning. If you ever talk during a losing game about whats going wrong with your teams play, you are liable to be chat banned. Like say the sej keeps roaming way out for no reason to ward and keeps dying and you ask them to stop roaming so far away from the team... that is toxicity and you should be banned. And That is why I am "complaining" (I'm not complaining, I'm having a discussion but you all seem to want to keep insisting there is something wrong with that. And I know there is something wrong with you all insisting that conversation is pointless, just accept it, stop worrying so much. Its all good until it happens to you, trust me it will, you'll turn 28 and your brain will start to see the entire world in a way that makes it criticize everything and you'll be like "omg wow so this is what its like to be "ok boomer", and its a physiological thing that no one can really help and we've just been punishing people for being humans for like two decades... for... NOTHING!" You think I'm making this up but trust me I am not. Get mad about it.. someday it'll be you who cares enough to "complain", and everyone will say "just shut up no one likes you".

PresBushDid7113 votes

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What this does is... it means you can only talk during games you're winning. If you ever talk during a losing game about whats going wrong with your teams play, you are liable to be chat banned. Like say the sej keeps roaming way out for no reason to ward and keeps dying and you ask them to stop roaming so far away from the team... that is toxicity and you should be banned. And That is why I am "complaining" (I'm not complaining, I'm having a discussion but you all seem to want to keep insisting there is something wrong with that. And I know there is something wrong with you all insisting that conversation is pointless, just accept it, stop worrying so much. Its all good until it happens to you, trust me it will, you'll turn 28 and your brain will start to see the entire world in a way that makes it criticize everything and you'll be like "omg wow so this is what its like to be "ok boomer", and its a physiological thing that no one can really help and we've just been punishing people for being humans for like two decades... for... NOTHING!" You think I'm making this up but trust me I am not. Get mad about it.. someday it'll be you who cares enough to "complain", and everyone will say "just shut up no one likes you".

Proof? Show me where someone was punished and the ONLY negative verbal communications they made was to tell the jungler not to roam with out wards. Show me ANY chat logs where the only negative things said were simply constructive criticism.

SurrealJC

if you get reported for it, youd get chat banned.

rujitra4 votes

That's not how it works. People will not be punished, EVER for constructive criticism. Period, full stop.

If you want to claim differently, you must show proof of it happening.

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