When you tell someone "I hope you get banned", you get suspended

Too Tired ToCare·Oct 9, 2017·1 votes·783 views

So my account as an active Suspension currently, but not for anything that you would think of. I got suspended for telling someone "That I am going to report them" and that "I hope they get banned" because the player was actively helping the enemy team. So in the Champion Selected phase, I had asked our support to not pick a Annie support, so he ended up picking Blitzcrank. What this chat log doesn't show you is the active amount of verbal abuse and toxicity which Blitzcrank was spewing was disgusting, ALL while the enemy Thresh, was actively encouraging the Blitzcrank's behavior. http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2612123732/200883569?tab=overview

Blitzcrank's Op.gg page, you can actively view that his account seems to be doing very negatively maybe due to active trolling...

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=reallifekid

Game 1 Too Tired ToCare: lol that teemo name Too Tired ToCare: I was just standing there? Too Tired ToCare: sigh Too Tired ToCare: ggwp Too Tired ToCare: apparently this is Paper ELO Too Tired ToCare: sigh Too Tired ToCare: sigh, gotta love toxic supports Too Tired ToCare: there was no playing that better, you out run me Too Tired ToCare: im done Too Tired ToCare: my support is trolling Too Tired ToCare: have fun with your ban blitz Too Tired ToCare: knew this support was gonna be a troll when I asked for an actual support and not an annie support... sigh Too Tired ToCare: lol Too Tired ToCare: yup, this blitz is trolling Too Tired ToCare: intentionally taking farm with his ult and skills Too Tired ToCare: and wonders why I cannot do anything Too Tired ToCare: please report blitz Too Tired ToCare: ooh and now you can add toxicity to the list Too Tired ToCare: im bad but you are trolling to make it so I look bad? OKAY cool, cause that is apparently facts and logic Too Tired ToCare: sigh looooving this match Too Tired ToCare: its fine thresh, you are being reported along with blitz because youre incouraging toxic behaviour which is also reportable Too Tired ToCare: and you aren't blitz? Too Tired ToCare: yuup there is that toxic behaviour Too Tired ToCare: sigh Too Tired ToCare: love being sooo far behind cause a toxic trolling blitz Too Tired ToCare: im sorry vlad that I had a trolling support... or did you miss that? Too Tired ToCare: once again I had a trolling support.. did you miss that? Too Tired ToCare: gj TF Too Tired ToCare: k fuk you too irelia Too Tired ToCare: lol Too Tired ToCare: bg

The "Fuk you too Irelia" followed up with "LOL" more of because she just kept diving me in fights and couldn't do anything about it. Nothing super personal there. but this is what our Customer Relation rep's said about it

"And had your only offense been saying "please report ____" This punishment might have been very different or non existent. But because you reiterated and said it in really toxic ways like "hope you enjoy your ban", we felt the need to take action.

Borrower Riot Games Player Support

"Be brave Be bold and stay wiggly""

20 Comments

Frontline FuryOct 9, 20174 votes

Yeah, report calling is punishable. Riot has been like this since halfway through season 5, its nothing new.

Standing up to oppression is denying their authority, which naturally is unacceptable. That's what chinese values have been like for longer than the western civilization has existed. Dont stand up to bullying - endure it. After all, everybody knows problems go away if you pretend they dont exist.

Right?

If you want to keep playing Tencent's game, you follow their rules. Nothing you or i can do about it.

Too Tired ToCareOct 9, 20171 votes

Report calling is only "Punishable" when the player has actively done nothing wrong, and when I report him/her the report would end up banning or suspending me. But only after so many times.

But that blitz and thresh were actively having toxic behavior and actions. Such as assisting enemy team, and flaming me all game. Then on top of that, if they want to enforce it, they should actively update their "Reportable Behavior Page" with the new content; its also not actively on their "Rules" page either.

ChermorgOct 9, 20173 votes

Actually, that kind of behavior has been punished since old Tribunal also. Take that from someone who participated in that system with a pretty damn high accuracy of case votes.

Frontline FuryOct 9, 20172 votes

That is true, it has been punished long before the recent automatic system. But thing is, the automatic system takes it into account too - and is much stricter than the tribunal. So much so that report calling is "more punishable" than say, negative attitude.

Luckily it doesnt beat hate speech. Not yet, anyways...

Sorin AlucardOct 9, 20172 votes

lmfao

I know the oppression line was catchy and cool sounding but I think you and the upvotes are missin the mark on this one.

You get into a game. The only people present are the 10 in game. Your Blitz is the 1 of 9 whose decided to be an asshat and troll this game. He's decided he's going to troll for X time, but during that time the only person who can stop Blitz's behavior is Blitz lol You're frustrated he's broken the rules and yes he deserves that report, BUT Riot won't be able to take action until after the game is over. No matter what you say to him or anyone else, there's no Riot ref who will jump in on your behalf mid game. No one is going to kick Blitz mid game. The only people present are the players.

Now--- you typed "sigh" alot showing your decreasing morale "This is paper ELO" - you were referring to your team in general right? or Blitz? (unnecessary passive-aggressive) "I'm done" - announcing you're giving up (giving up is reportable next to griefing under negative attitude) "Please report Blitz" - you already know calling for reports is reportable. Why? because its unnecessarily negative. It only takes 1 report to trigger review. Punishments are based on frequency + severity; not 9x report 1 game. "its ok Thresh..." - same as above. You didn't need to engage the thresh in convo for his report to matter "bg" - negative attitude- the punchline to you giving up all game verbally AND doing nothing for morale.

You used your chat as an emotional vent and argument thread rather than as a tool for winning the game. I daresay you got the report for asking for reports and after doing so there were a couple of things the system would flag on review. Your report of your enemy also triggered a review, but that doesn't mean you're privy to that information.

Riot wasn't present in game. There was no one to affirm your "oppression" and fix it in the first place. Did you really think all that whining in game was going to convince blitz to change (he probably just laughed at you) or raise your team's morale? So how would it be standing up to "oppression"? Riot punished the Blitz just like you got punished for technically breaking the rules. Two wrongs don't make a right even if you look like you have the "smaller" wrong. There's also history to consider. You must've had a history of other valid reports, even if all you were doing was consistently whining about your teammates and telling them you'll report them.

Frontline FuryOct 9, 20172 votes

I think you're a little confused here. I'm not saying your argument is wrong - and im not saying the OP is innocent in any way.

But first of all - i am not the OP.

Secondly - i am not trying to defend or condone the OP or their actions from the chat log. I have nowhere claimed this ban is undeserved.

So writing that big reply was unnecessary. I am not the creator of this post, nor did i make any remarks about the chat log provided in the first post. Your hostility is unnecessary.

All i did in my original reply was confirm that report calling is punishable (which seems to have surprised and confused the OP) as well as inform them WHY it is reportable. The majority of players punished for "talking back" are outraged as it is unbelievable to just lie down and take it in the face of oppression.

In our culture, that is.

The majority of players on these boards are from the western world. We hold western standards to heart and live according to western cultures. Thus, when eastern culture is forced on us - in this case, shoved down our throats with an ultimatum - a lot of us respond with outrage.

But this might also be misleading. While i definitely disagree with these rules - i accept them. This is Tencent's way of running Riot games, and i am just a guest in their house. It doesnt matter wether i agree with their views or not - as long as i am their guest, i do my best to accept and follow their rules.

Even if it goes against the very core of my being.

I hope this helps clear up our little misunderstanding here. To summarize: I am NOT defending the OP, i am NOT saying report calling should not be reportable - instead i am explaining WHY the OP's behaviour was punishable, WHY Riot has this - to us western folks - strange way of dealing with bullying - and i try my best to explain WHY we cannot do anything but try our best to adapt to these strange ways.

HalcyonDwellerOct 9, 20172 votes

Pretty sure it has nothing to do with Tencent. They let Riot run things pretty much how they want.

Honestly the reason for not report calling and for just enduring the behavior without reacting to it comes entirely down to science. It is scientifically proven that when someone behaves in a certain way in order to seek attention, giving them attention for it merely feeds the behavior. Therefore being negative and calling for reports just contributes to the problem and is therefore not allowed.

Sorin AlucardOct 9, 20171 votes

Yes i should've clarified that the OP was just my example against your idea of these eastern ideals being "shoved down our throats".

Im arguing there's no oppression. Riot, owned by Tencent or otherwise, doesn't have any of their employees present in game. You and everyone else signed user agreements saying we'd be sportsmanlike and respectful or there would be consequences. Riot taking actions against two players who both broke the rules after reviewing their game does not equate oppression. Riot goes in post-game, sees two people broke the rules. It doesn't matter if one person is lowering themselves in response to the negative behavior of another. I don't think that the eastern-western culture clash is even a factor in this.

Some people use this game to get in fights or mess with other people. Its been happening for years and there has been a natural escalation of response on Riot's end to curb it. The end goal is to remove petty arguments, extreme abusive language and trolls altogether. All have been deemed wrong. None will be excused because they were "provoked" or "standing up for themselves". This justification is weak, especially in the League/Online anon environment.

I think the suggestion of a culture clash being the root is reaching a bit

LegendaryKnightXOct 9, 20172 votes

Yea that is absurd, i mean granted you're a bit salty but nothing over the edge, and honestly riot is going down hill, it's like they are liberals pushing safe spaces or something lol

Too Tired ToCareOct 9, 20171 votes

I feel like I should post pictures of everything I wen't through trying to explain to riot in the support about this... They refuse to even think twice about it, and go "Hey maybe, that wasen't that toxic and not suspend worthy"

And, only really salty because I was up for "Promotions" from G5 to G4. I actively got banned while in champ select for the next match and made me lose my series along with the suspension.

Fargo79Oct 9, 20172 votes

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I feel like I should post pictures of everything I wen't through trying to explain to riot in the support about this... They refuse to even think twice about it, and go "Hey maybe, that wasen't that toxic and not suspend worthy"

And, only really salty because I was up for "Promotions" from G5 to G4. I actively got banned while in champ select for the next match and made me lose my series along with the suspension.

Since when is it to let a person know if they continue they will be reported not allowed?? as far as im concerned this should be the last warning a player gets from another player before the report hammer comes into play.. I always inform players that they have left me no choice but report them.. i dont however and i see this all the time go into all chat and cry for the enemy team to report them as well.. Riot has been a tad inconsistent with their bans.. Next time ask them to stop if they dont mute them and then make it a point to report them.. Nothing ever comes of a situation with a war of words during the game and then tryin to report them... all riot sees in the chat log is both people breaking rules and both being punished..

TwinkieProOct 9, 20172 votes

You don't have to let a player know you are going to report them, there is literally zero reason to tell them that. It isn't going to make them stop and fear for their life and doesn't matter if they are doing anything wrong or not. On top of that, calling for reports or threatening with reports detracts from the game itself, which riot has been adamantly against since I started in mid season 3. I understand players are toxic at times, but you do not have to listen to them in the slightest. Riot has implemented several features to silence these people. Use them. Then, report them afterwards. This isn't enduring the bullying. Granted, the only enduring that you must take is being in the game with them and moreso if they are inting. But beyond that, their verbal abuse can stop whenever you want it to.

Too Tired ToCareOct 9, 20171 votes

SO your solution is to ignore the problem instead of actively trying to prevent them from trolling and flaming for the rest of the match? You know what breaks the Code of Conduct? Muting players regardless of how toxic they are since it 1) detracts from the game, 2) its not "TEAMPLAY" that they so hardly try to promote; when in reality they promote toxic and bad behavior seeing as everyone from every higher ELO can just make new accounts just to troll; which actively happens.

TwinkieProOct 9, 20172 votes

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SO your solution is to ignore the problem instead of actively trying to prevent them from trolling and flaming for the rest of the match? You know what breaks the Code of Conduct? Muting players regardless of how toxic they are since it 1) detracts from the game, 2) its not "TEAMPLAY" that they so hardly try to promote; when in reality they promote toxic and bad behavior seeing as everyone from every higher ELO can just make new accounts just to troll; which actively happens.

And what are you doing that actively contributes to solving the problem? How is you arguing or threatening with reports solving anything? What exactly are you doing that has been proven to stop people from trolling in game and turn their life around on a dime?

I gave you a solution. Ignore during the game, report afterwards. You will have incurred zero penalty and the offenders will have received a report.

Muting does detract from the game if the player is genuinely trying to help with their communication, but muting a flamer likely adds than detracts from your experience. If you go camping in the woods and there are bees buzzing and making noise, do you tell the bees to stop or do you move elsewhere and report the problem to wildlife authorities? As for #2 I pose my question again: what are you actively doing to prevent these High ELO trollers? spreading awareness on the boards is a good thing, but trying to argue in game is literally pointless and giving in to their games.

BenBaxterOct 9, 20171 votes

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SO your solution is to ignore the problem instead of actively trying to prevent them from trolling and flaming for the rest of the match? You know what breaks the Code of Conduct? Muting players regardless of how toxic they are since it 1) detracts from the game, 2) its not "TEAMPLAY" that they so hardly try to promote; when in reality they promote toxic and bad behavior seeing as everyone from every higher ELO can just make new accounts just to troll; which actively happens.

Just mute the trolls and play , it's as simple as that . i used to pay attention to trolls every time they flamed and fed intentionally my matches but not anymore . it is a waste of time .

HalcyonDwellerOct 9, 20172 votes

Scientifically speaking, it IS more effective to ignore the problem. Because the problem is human behavior, and it's function (purpose) is attention-seeking.

If you do not reward the player for their trolling by giving them the attention they desire, they will eventually give up.

Therefore it is most effective to never give them any indication that they might be getting under your skin.

BenBaxterOct 9, 20172 votes

"apparently this is Paper ELO" "k fuk you too irelia"

HHAHAHAHAHAH XD!

HalcyonDwellerOct 9, 20172 votes

Gonna be completely honest here, I'm not inclined to like or agree with you because you did the below things. But setting aside my own feelings on the matter, I understand your plight, and I know it can be confusing and frustrating when you get punished simply for retaliating against players who are already harassing you.

Told another player what champion to use, imposing your own will on them - a free thinking person who has a right to do what they want as much as you have a right to do what you want. That is downright irritating.

You went further than threatening ban. Saying, "Have fun with your ban." is over and beyond what is needed, if you really just wanted them to stop you could have said, "Please stop, what you are doing is bannable and if you continue I will report you." Instead you said the more egotistical "have fun with your ban" which implies a superiority complex. That is downright irritating too.

What suspension do you have? is it 14-day, or permanent? If you're likely to play League again, then I can discuss with you about communication stuff and how to not get banned while still getting teammates to cooperate with you.

Too Tired ToCareOct 9, 20171 votes

How is me "ASKING" them to choose another champion imposing my will on them? I didn't point a gun at them, I didn't threaten their lives. He/she could have chosen what ever they wanted and it would have been done deal. I simply ASKED to not have a Annie support.

I also don't see "Have fun with your ban" as egotistical but more of salty af that I had a troll that was intentionally assisting the enemy team for no reason. Granted it is only a 14 day suspension, but it still is BS on the reason I got it.