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Winning Top Lane=Losing the Game

heroikc··1 votes·1,713 views

I don't know if this is just a coincidence or just plain solo-queue-style bad luck but in several games, whenever I single-handedly win my lane (Top lane, typically as a tank, actually), typically by 2 or three kills and even a tower, somehow my team just loses the game by 10 minutes. Why? I'm not sure.

I just know that by 10 minutes, my mid lane and bot lane are feeding (to the point that I, a top lane tank, and the support has more kills than either of them) and my jungle just negligently farming and refusing to help anyone until they are genuinely screwed...and keep screwing up even more.

This just happened to me again today, actually, where I picked a Rammus top as a counterpick to a Vayne top (yeah, cheesy), a Yasuo mid, a Lucian adc, and a Lee Sin, and got first blood and won at least 3 other fights against the Vayne, killing her twice on my own...only for the rest of the team to fail miserably (the Zoe mid had 0/5 for most of the game and the Xayah being 0/3 with the Rakan support being 2/3/1) and let them spill onto my lane anyway.

Does this occur to anyone else? And is there anyway to stop this?

16 Comments

Chermorg4 votes

So.. this is a team game. If Zoe was 0/5 mid, was it because she was getting ganked constantly? Did she have close trades? Should you have maybe gone and helped?

People need to stop thinking "i won my lane why did we lose the game". Winning lane is not important. Winning the game is. You can only win the game if your teammates are not set very far behind in power-up phase (late laning). So I ask you, what did you do to help your 0/5 Zoe or your 2/5 bot lane?

heroikc1 votes

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So.. this is a team game. If Zoe was 0/5 mid, was it because she was getting ganked constantly? Did she have close trades? Should you have maybe gone and helped?

People need to stop thinking "i won my lane why did we lose the game". Winning lane is not important. Winning the game is. You can only win the game if your teammates are not set very far behind in power-up phase (late laning). So I ask you, what did you do to help your 0/5 Zoe or your 2/5 bot lane?

I remember seeing Lee passing through there often, sometimes ganking...and Yas was chasing her rather hard, too...Though, she did charge up to my lane after I died once, hoping to save my tower from a Vayne AND a Lee Sin...and dying promptly. And apparently fruitlessly charging into botlane to save the Xayah, Rakan and Evelynn earlier...only to die too.

Though I doubt I could have helped given I was trying to control and squash the Vayne (who never really left the lane save for backs and deaths) and was thus too busy or left too wounded from the trades to go help anywhere. Still, now that you mentioned it... Got any advice on where I can find a guide for TP ganking? Or at least any place to start at?

And I know: no point in winning a lane when the rest of the enemy team is too fed to just beat.

Chermorg1 votes

Yeah, I'm sorry if my original reply came across as rude - I'm just trying to help get the gears turning to look back on it - I do this after any game I lose (and some close wins) to figure out what I could've done differently to make it easier to win.

If yas was chasing her (be it in the jungle or diving her under tower), maybe it would've been helpful to have a gank from top to lock him down? As a rammus, you have great movement speed, a short CC, and a taunt - perfect to help Zoe lock down a sleep and a kill on the laner.

Personally, if I'm playing a lane other than ADC, I try to make up for where the Jungler can't be.

heroikc1 votes

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Yeah, I'm sorry if my original reply came across as rude - I'm just trying to help get the gears turning to look back on it - I do this after any game I lose (and some close wins) to figure out what I could've done differently to make it easier to win.

If yas was chasing her (be it in the jungle or diving her under tower), maybe it would've been helpful to have a gank from top to lock him down? As a rammus, you have great movement speed, a short CC, and a taunt - perfect to help Zoe lock down a sleep and a kill on the laner.

Personally, if I'm playing a lane other than ADC, I try to make up for where the Jungler can't be.

I respect that; uses the brains we were born with, no? However, I doubt I could have done anything without sparking the Vayne to chase me for, as I've said, I was practically stuck in top lane, trying to squash her before her prime. So I was either too scared to try and help or was too battered to do anything immediately. It felt like I couldn't do anything at all beyond keeping Vayne pinned at top for a while.

And it was a long-run given the distance between the middle of top lane to between both towers on our side of the map, particularly when the Vayne would have just followed/pinged my leaving from lane. So yeah, either I was too scared to try (shame on me) or too far to be on time anyway (really bad luck for me and Zoe). Of course, I am rather rusty on Rammus...particularly lane rammus...

And there's why I want to figure how to do a good TP gank...or maybe try out someone with a global ult like Panth, GP, or Galio...Need to expand my repertoire...

Chermorg1 votes

Well, my only comment for thought is that sometimes it's worth giving yourself a harder time in lane if it helps save someone else from a bottomless pit in their lane.

It's really hard to get good at that tho.

heroikc1 votes

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Well, my only comment for thought is that sometimes it's worth giving yourself a harder time in lane if it helps save someone else from a bottomless pit in their lane.

It's really hard to get good at that tho.

Well, it's a start...

swordofsun1 votes

Just perspective from someone who had a hard top lane last night. Laning wasn't hard, but I was stuck in lane as everytime I left the jungler came up and helped the Garen push to the tower.

But, my mid lane and bot were losing. Hard. Eventually I had to just look at things and go I'm Nasus with 2 items and almost 150 stacks, let's roam. I lost lane. I lost lane hard. Down to the inhib hard. But I was able to push the other lanes and help there, saved some towers, got some other towers, pulled 3-4 of the enemy team to me so my team could Baron/Elder Dragon, and we won.

So, I guess, I would say that sometimes you just give up your lane. Looking at the game that wasn't unwinnable, you just surrendered. Really, I'd just say don't be so focused on Win Lane Win Game. Look at your win conditions, Rammus probably isn't going to carry, but he can be an excellent peeler and counter jungler. It would've been better to go and work on getting Xayah or Zoe ahead.

If you're worried about Vayne following you, recall and TP from fountain they'll be expecting you to walk/TP back to lane and it'll take longer for them to ping MIA. The enemy won't be expecting rogue Rammus ganks from behind if you can get a deep ward in.

Just another Bronzie perspective.

heroikc1 votes

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Just perspective from someone who had a hard top lane last night. Laning wasn't hard, but I was stuck in lane as everytime I left the jungler came up and helped the Garen push to the tower.

But, my mid lane and bot were losing. Hard. Eventually I had to just look at things and go I'm Nasus with 2 items and almost 150 stacks, let's roam. I lost lane. I lost lane hard. Down to the inhib hard. But I was able to push the other lanes and help there, saved some towers, got some other towers, pulled 3-4 of the enemy team to me so my team could Baron/Elder Dragon, and we won.

So, I guess, I would say that sometimes you just give up your lane. Looking at the game that wasn't unwinnable, you just surrendered. Really, I'd just say don't be so focused on Win Lane Win Game. Look at your win conditions, Rammus probably isn't going to carry, but he can be an excellent peeler and counter jungler. It would've been better to go and work on getting Xayah or Zoe ahead.

If you're worried about Vayne following you, recall and TP from fountain they'll be expecting you to walk/TP back to lane and it'll take longer for them to ping MIA. The enemy won't be expecting rogue Rammus ganks from behind if you can get a deep ward in.

Just another Bronzie perspective.

I understand your reasoning, and I had games like that in the past, and but I was already tilting in the game and I knew that would not be good for anyone. Besides, they had a Blitzcrank who was building AP (starting with rod of ages) and I hope you understand how toxic that would be... There was also the issue of being rusty with Rammus, so big my bad on that note as I may have made mistakes in my judgement in the game.

Nonetheless, having a peer (or superior, in any case) of a third party tell me what may have gone wrong and how to improve is comforting. Thanks.

EmpressOfBeauty1 votes

Bless this comment. 100% agree

Kei1433 votes

If you are winning your lane, you need extend your lead out to other lanes.

At low silver, I don't expect my bot lane to have good wards, so after I back, I roam to their lane and gank.

After that is done, I TP back to my lane.

heroikc1 votes

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If you are winning your lane, you need extend your lead out to other lanes.

At low silver, I don't expect my bot lane to have good wards, so after I back, I roam to their lane and gank.

After that is done, I TP back to my lane.

TBH, if I had done something like that, I might have spared myself a few unnecessary deaths from just staying in top lane... Anyway, thanks, I hope to implement this properly in the near future.

Kei1431 votes

you extend your lead out to other lanes.

Escheton1 votes

Of course it is. Your shutdown gold will give money to their botlane. It's much better to not get any kills as a toplaner, safer that way.

heroikc1 votes

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Of course it is. Your shutdown gold will give money to their botlane. It's much better to not get any kills as a toplaner, safer that way.

I'm sorry, but can you elaborate? I am not sure what you are talking about.

Escheton1 votes

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I'm sorry, but can you elaborate? I am not sure what you are talking about.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Ace#Ace

Getting kills put a bounty on your head. If you get killed with a bounty, you get shut down. Which, on top of kill and assist gold to those involved; also gives some gold to everyone on their team, depending on how high the bounty was.

heroikc1 votes

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http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Ace#Ace

Getting kills put a bounty on your head. If you get killed with a bounty, you get shut down. Which, on top of kill and assist gold to those involved; also gives some gold to everyone on their team, depending on how high the bounty was.

Yes, I got that part, but what does it have to do with the original post is what confuses me.

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