Has riot lost tracks on "fair gameplay"?

CameFromBRA·May 4, 2016·9 votes·1,232 views

See, this update 6.9 has brought many heavy changes, changes that some player might not be prepared to deal with. I've searched on the other servers for opinions, and some were not coincidence: The approval rate of this update was not good.

Many complained about "champions OPness", mostly about ziggs and brand The sudden change on itens and mechanics which affected directly the play style of the players, literally destroyed their tactics and now they are forced to fight things they were never expecting to become true.

Has riot lost track of the fair gameplay and don't care any longer for players opinion besides some question tests they propose one time or another?

Surely, I fell like riot don't give a fuck for what we write or speak, it's like They do what they want and we must accept.

30 Comments

TrylobyteMay 4, 20165 votes

It's the usual 'patch day whining.' People hate change, and this patch had a lot of big ones. Give it a month then re-evaluate the patch, I say.

Demon King MaouMay 4, 20164 votes

Riot is turning into blizzard Go check the community boards for blizzard Exactly the same as here

CameFromBRAMay 4, 20161 votes

Yup, I fell they don't care about any player who isn't in the PBE, specially those who aren't north american like me (i'm Brazilian, and we are ignored like if we don't existed)

Demon King MaouMay 4, 20161 votes

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Yup, I fell they don't care about any player who isn't in the PBE, specially those who aren't north american like me (i'm Brazilian, and we are ignored like if we don't existed)

Just hoping Overwatch has a team that actually listens to players Will move ove to it just for that :P

CameFromBRAMay 4, 20162 votes

yeah. I know that if riot listened to ALL of the players, it would be a mess, but to listen at least when an update like this happens wouldn't be bad. WE are the ones who make this game run, WE are the ones who play and so THEY should listen. Doesn't the client word is always right?

Demon King MaouMay 4, 20161 votes

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yeah. I know that if riot listened to ALL of the players, it would be a mess, but to listen at least when an update like this happens wouldn't be bad. WE are the ones who make this game run, WE are the ones who play and so THEY should listen. Doesn't the client word is always right?

Basicly yes we're the client and we do make it run by buying the shit riot puts out ( Skins, Champions, Rp ETC ) But only way i think riot would listen is if you could get 50% of the community to stop playing for a couple of days/weeks/months until riot starts listening.. But that won't happen cause over 50% of the community just say EH whatever i'll play it anyways

TrylobyteMay 4, 20165 votes

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yeah. I know that if riot listened to ALL of the players, it would be a mess, but to listen at least when an update like this happens wouldn't be bad. WE are the ones who make this game run, WE are the ones who play and so THEY should listen. Doesn't the client word is always right?

No, the customer is not always right. In fact, sometimes the customer is very, very wrong.

PbJMpP4xzkMay 4, 20161 votes

well the customer is very worng, ok, yeah, but the customer know what he want and when he tell you thats not what he want get him what he want enless you are a lazy phak. anyway we are not league customer since our accounts are at anytime owned by riot, so basicly riot has no customer GG.

SmokedAlmondsMay 4, 20161 votes

We are customers, even though our accounts do technically belong to them.

The problem with the whole "the customer is always right"(besides it being a general attitude to have, not some absolute thing where every possible thing a customer says in unquestionably wrong) is that it is really for 1 on 1 situations. Things like "I ordered my steak medium rare and this is well done". It does not at all consider situations like riot has to deal with which involves millions of people with vastly different and often conflicting interests.

Every single change they make is going piss thousands of people, even if it made 10s of 1000s happy. The feedback for almost every change, at least as experienced on the forums, almost exclusively comes across as negative. The happy people are mostly off enjoying the game, and the pissed off people come here to complain about it. The forums just aren't a good representation of how well a change was received in most cases.

PbJMpP4xzkMay 4, 20161 votes

that make no sense, you never tought the majority is not coming on board because they just play less league than us ? so they don't see any benefit of coming over the board since they "maybe" play 1 game per week evenless so its feel like a new game for them everytime. i actualy have a coworker of mine who play like 1 game every 3 month and he is always lost when he do this game but still he have fun (from the fact that he has no clue about whats his doing but still laugh at it) you don't consider the thing as a whole, just like most people refuse to see the truth, customers are always right because in the end of the line you eat from them so give them what they want and the non speaking customer will deal it with just like they do right now anyway.

SmokedAlmondsMay 4, 20161 votes

I'm not talking at all about how much time anyone(forum users or otherwise) spends playing the game. I am saying not liking something often triggers a call to action. Where people feel compelled to try to get it changed. That is why feedback on forums(any forums, for any product, service, w/e) is almost always more negative than positive. Even products that are loved by most. The people who are happy with the changes are simply off playing the game enjoying those changes instead of posting on the fourms about it.

When there are competing interests the customer literally cannot always be right.

If you have 2 customers and Mike thinks X is the best champion ever, it is so fun and they are perfectly balanced. Tim thinks X is the most broken overpowered thing and its ruining the game. Nerfing X will piss mike off and make Tim happy. Not nerfing X will piss off Tim and make mike happy. You can even go further and say that most people agree with Tim that X is overpowered. So when X gets nurfed, way more people are happy about it than are pissed off. But mike is still pissed off and complaining on the forums. Is mike still right? If he is r

Nik NikersonMay 5, 20162 votes

I like the updates so far. We're both customers. Which of us is right?

PbJMpP4xzkMay 5, 20161 votes

None of us are customers, we're users, read a book.

Nik NikersonMay 5, 20163 votes

Way to miss the point and deflect.

Zenthon PrimeMay 4, 20161 votes

They don't care about anyone in the PBE either, FYI. It's not like this update went over well there.

PbJMpP4xzkMay 4, 20161 votes

i am glad to heard that otherwise the game would be in a worst shape by now LUL

catgrillMay 4, 20164 votes

When Annie's tibbers runs faster than a powerballed rammus. QQ Funny that the feeding annie also did more than double damage than everyone else.

AstôlfoMay 4, 20163 votes

I feel like people complain about just about every single update. And then say old updates were "sooo" much better.

SmokedAlmondsMay 4, 20161 votes

Ya, every major patch is the one that is going to kill the game.

FiruMay 7, 20161 votes

I agree. The league community is a perfect opportunity to watch people's aversion to anything new. "Things were much better in Season __, Patch . ruined the game. I'm quitting."

Awkward CouchMay 4, 20161 votes

Well they are changing the game from to bottom up. I think most of this is good, and there is some stuff that I think needs to be changed. I don't think it's healthy for a game to have just one strat that works from Season 1 on, new items and new/reworked champions keep the game interesting. Just because things are different, doesn't mean that that's a bad thing. If it all stayed the same, there would be ~30 champions played at all times, and a majority of champions would see no gameplay. That's not healthy for the game either. So I think this is good for the game. And Riot has said that every year they are going to do a big change between seasons and a mid year update.

TokogawarufMay 4, 20161 votes

Im also extremly confused about the chances. But lets wait a while for it to settle down. We first need to get to know the Items better, learn the new things about the updated Champs and overall accept the new stuff. Then we can talk about whats bad. When we completly understand its mechanics and / or effects.

AraMoOseMay 4, 20161 votes

ZIGGS IS OP??? queues up

CameFromBRAMay 4, 20161 votes

Now he is for sure

Kei143May 5, 20161 votes

I picked up ziggs in 6.8 for the purpose of becoming a turret buster, and I got some mixed sucess with him.

In 6.9, his turret busting is really strong. Not only his passive ratios have gone up, but the turret execution on his satchel charge is pretty .. unexpected. Being able to MPen turrets helps that alot as well.

My team mates would ping to back up a seige and I just throw a Satchel Charge to a low turret and walk away. The enemy doesn't even get a chance to stop it, or even punish me for walking slightly closer, cos the cast range on the charge is pretty long.

PbJMpP4xzkMay 4, 20161 votes

its ok guys its, why are you whinning about this, we are still in preseason, nothing matter in preseason, they will balance this out when season start don't worry.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

CameFromBRAMay 4, 20161 votes

Im sorry for whining about it, but...I can't take a good look on these changes. Not only I loose almost every match on PvP with things being like they are now, with this update I can only see it becoming worst and worst and worst. Why can't they give small careful steps instead of risky jumps? And if everything goes to hell with these changes? How much time it will take to repair the mistakes?

That's I'm worried about. Is not only about me and my gameplays, but about everyone who doesn't agreed with these changes. I can't take this conformist with such heavy changes

Guy Fox TeemoMay 4, 20161 votes

No duh things are going to feel OP or weak, they made A LOT OF CHANGES, they said over the continuing the patch they were going to continue working on the changes taking feed back and adjusting as needed. You're really naive if you think they could release this huge update and have it be perfectly balanced and fair from the start.

MasterSomethingMay 4, 20161 votes

Well, forcefully changing people's original tactics- That's kinda their goal. Keep diversity up by forcing people to think of new strategies instead of using the same old thing.