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EroticFrootLoops··5 votes·2,670 views

I just want to ask the league community if they can help me spot why I received a two week suspension. Riot gave me a copy of everything I said in the match I was supposedly banned for. So you get a complete experience just imagined in between all my sentences the katarina on my team is calling me a "c**t" and saying how she is going to feed the enemy team.

I feel two weeks is a little harsh as I don't even believe I was toxic but maybe somebody will be able to point it out to me.

Email they sent me including chat log: 14 Day Behavior Suspension EroticFruitLoops,

You have received a 14 day ban following an extensive audit of in-game behavior within recent League of Legends matches.

Your peers judged your behavior to be far below the standards of the League of Legends community. Think through the conversation and reflect on your words. League is an intense, competitive game, but every player deserves respect. Read more about the effort to encourage sportsmanlike play, here.

Here are some chat logs that were identified as negative by other players in the community.

swaggy
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Meta isn't enforced in the ToS or Summoner's Code... so reporting won't do anything
I'm not trolling?
I'm not following the meta
No...
Wow your being kinda rude
Verbal abuse is agianst the summoner's code
Wow gotta report you both now
You saying that cuz im black?
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I haven't said anything mean lol
You guys calling me names
How am I trolling?
yea dieing lol :P
kog you need to stop being so angry
you too kat
Very toxic
Report kat and kog after game.... very toxic
?
"Auto lock"
I think kat is trying to intentionally feed lol
Please report
she just admitted to intentionally feeding lol
...
She is toxic, feeding, etc
Feeding is still agianst the ToS
and Summoner's code
I'm not trolling...
lol this kat
Has literally broke 1/2 the summoner's code in one game
?
I started it by you calling me a "Hairy %%%%"?
I guess America was at fault for WWI and WWII as well
So does your reasoning for feeding :D
Me and bard have won as 4 bot
This is basically what are team chat looks like lol
Kat and kog crying and being rude
Thank you
Kat is intentionally feeding...
How are we suppose to just play?
Yes but I didn't say I was gonna feed kat so that she could kill me
So you fed... to ruin the game for a teammate
And im the %%%%?
By playing the game?
You guys are fun to play with :D
too bad this is gonna be our last game together
Sorry no surrender for you :D
lol this kat
love you too sweety
ooooooo she showed you!
He dealt the last bits of damage...
lol <3 you kat
I hope the tribunal is kind to you :D
Yep
And the entire summoner's code you broke :D
Hard day at work = troll league cuz I worked?
Yes you did...
You intentionall gave up kills and gave away positions...
Did you forget?
Wow you have a good score
you must have a good attitude :D
So im guessing letting the enemy kat kill you was just strategic?
She probably didn't :D
lololol
Lol kat
He was agreeing with you
Don't blame her she worked so she has the right to be mean
<3 you too babay
Please let is last forever :D
Report me for feed and her for everything else :D
well you tried kat
you'll get her next time
Don't worry we got this
Just stay positive
gg report kat :D

This type of behavior is unacceptable in this community. When there is nothing good to say, don't say anything at all. As a community, we also don't believe that retaliation is an appropriate response, so in cases where there is retaliation, both players receive penalties. This is the only warning this account will receive. Further examples of toxic behavior can result in permanent closure of your account.

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Jubbinaut3 votes

You explicitly threatened or called for reports four times in there (by which I mean you used the word "report" in either claiming you would report someone or in calling for others to report). That's not considered acceptable behavior.

You - in an extremely negative fashion - dumped your team drama all over the enemy team. That's not considered acceptable behavior.

Your passive-aggressive insults and sarcasm aren't lost on the average reader, here. And they aren't considered acceptable behavior.

So, yes. You were toxic. As for whether you were toxic enough in this one game for a 2-week ban? Well, that's not for me to say.

EroticFrootLoops2 votes

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You explicitly threatened or called for reports four times in there (by which I mean you used the word "report" in either claiming you would report someone or in calling for others to report). That's not considered acceptable behavior.

You - in an extremely negative fashion - dumped your team drama all over the enemy team. That's not considered acceptable behavior.

Your passive-aggressive insults and sarcasm aren't lost on the average reader, here. And they aren't considered acceptable behavior.

So, yes. You were toxic. As for whether you were toxic enough in this one game for a 2-week ban? Well, that's not for me to say.

  1. Asking for reports is worth a suspension? That seems unreasonable for a 40 minute game 4 asks is reasonable considering only 3 of them went to the enemy team.
  2. Talking in all chat is worth a suspension?
  3. How is sarcasm worth a suspension lol. I wasn't being passive-aggressive the most mean thing "yea dieing lol :P" was sent to my IRL friend Drugsyo.
Jubbinaut2 votes

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  1. Asking for reports is worth a suspension? That seems unreasonable for a 40 minute game 4 asks is reasonable considering only 3 of them went to the enemy team.

Yes. It was worth punishing in the Tribunal, as well. Notably, this is because there is never a benefit to doing so, and it is always a detriment to the game - at least any time it's used with any sincerity.

  1. Talking in all chat is worth a suspension?

Talking in all chat is - in and of itself - not worth a suspension. Spewing team drama into all chat, however, is. It's actively detrimental to the game. And things like "she just admitted to intentionally feeding lol" and "This is basically what are team chat looks like lol" are definitely dumping drama.

  1. How is sarcasm worth a suspension lol. I wasn't being passive-aggressive the most mean thing "yea dieing lol :P" was sent to my IRL friend Drugsyo.

"So does your reasoning for feeding :D" is passive-aggressive.

"You guys are fun to play with :D" is passive-aggressive.

"Sorry no surrender for you :D" is passive-aggressive.

"love you too sweety" and "ooooooo she showed you!" are passive-aggressive.

And if you think that your own chat isn't enough context to recognize the negative intent of those comments, I'm afraid you're sorely mistaken.

It's important to recognize, it doesn't matter what the tool is (sarcasm, chat, all-chat, reports, emotes, whatever). What matters is how you use it. And in this case, you used them to create negative situations for others. Which is not considered acceptable behavior.

Arcade Andrew1 votes

he might have been negative, but calling "asking for reports" toxic is putting it on the same level as racial slurs homophobic statments ect which is stupid as fuck if you ask me

Jubbinaut1 votes

So all bad things must by definition must be equally bad? That means theft, then, must be on the same level as murder, which itself must be on the same level as genocide, right?

It's also notable that - just as there are scales of extremity in content - there are scales of amount. Calling for reports a single time is not nearly as bad as tossing out a single racial slur, but repeated offenses add up. A friend of mine posted an interesting thread - linked here - about that back in the old forums

Arcade Andrew1 votes

are you agreeing with me or disagreeing that saying asking for reports should be equal to racial slurs,

I dont care how many times somebody asks for reports, I dont see that as very toxic however the minute they use one slur thats a report from me no matter how friendly they are

Jubbinaut1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Arcade Andrew,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=zIGiIKEW,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-05-29T06:56:51.442+0000)

are you agreeing with me or disagreeing that saying asking for reports should be equal to racial slurs,

I am agreeing that report begging is not as toxic as hate speech. I am disagreeing, however, with your indication that because it's not "as bad" as hate speech, it isn't toxic.

Hate speech isn't the lowest denominator of toxicity. If anything, it's the extreme high bound - it doesn't get much worse than that, verbally.

I dont care how many times somebody asks for reports, I dont see that as very toxic however the minute they use one slur thats a report from me no matter how friendly they are

That's a perfectly fine choice. If it doesn't bother you, don't report it. That's how the report system's supposed to work. Others disagree.

EroticFrootLoops2 votes

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Yes. It was worth punishing in the Tribunal, as well. Notably, this is because there is never a benefit to doing so, and it is always a detriment to the game - at least any time it's used with any sincerity.

Talking in all chat is - in and of itself - not worth a suspension. Spewing team drama into all chat, however, is. It's actively detrimental to the game. And things like "she just admitted to intentionally feeding lol" and "This is basically what are team chat looks like lol" are definitely dumping drama.

"So does your reasoning for feeding :D" is passive-aggressive.

"You guys are fun to play with :D" is passive-aggressive.

"Sorry no surrender for you :D" is passive-aggressive.

"love you too sweety" and "ooooooo she showed you!" are passive-aggressive.

And if you think that your own chat isn't enough context to recognize the negative intent of those comments, I'm afraid you're sorely mistaken.

It's important to recognize, it doesn't matter what the tool is (sarcasm, chat, all-chat, reports, emotes, whatever). What matters is how you use it. And in this case, you used them to create negative situations for others. Which is not considered acceptable behavior.

  1. "Talking in all chat is - in and of itself - not worth a suspension. Spewing team drama into all chat, however, is. It's actively detrimental to the game. And things like "she just admitted to intentionally feeding lol" and "This is basically what are team chat looks like lol" are definitely dumping drama." So I should've muted Kat but the enemy team shouldn't have muted me if they didn't think my discussion was relevant? 2.> "So does your reasoning for feeding :D" is passive-aggressive. She said my arguments made no sense so I responded with this. I guess it is kinda passive-aggressive but is that really worth a 14 day suspension?

"You guys are fun to play with :D" is passive-aggressive. Saying that I'm enjoying myself is ban worthy... k den.

"Sorry no surrender for you :D" is passive-aggressive. Pretty passive-aggressive if I was talking to kat lol. I was talking to my friend Drugyo.

"love you too sweety" and "ooooooo she showed you!" are passive-aggressive. Saying you love things is ban worthy apparently? And that last one was because she stole my friends blue and I was laughing at him lol.

Jubbinaut1 votes

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So I should've muted Kat but the enemy team shouldn't have muted me if they didn't think my discussion was relevant?

Use of the mute button does not forgive the offense. It doesn't make what was said any more or less "okay." Metaphorically speaking, it's nothing more than a shield - and if you fire an arrow at me that hits my shield, you still shot an arrow at me. And that's still not cool.

She said my arguments made no sense so I responded with this. I guess it is kinda passive-aggressive but is that really worth a 14 day suspension?

By itself, perhaps not. In conjunction with other things, perhaps so.

Saying that I'm enjoying myself is ban worthy... k den.

Saying you love things is ban worthy apparently? And that last one was because she stole my friends blue and I was laughing at him lol.

Again, if you think that there isn't enough context to recognize the intent of that comment, you're mistaken.

Pretty passive-aggressive if I was talking to kat lol. I was talking to my friend Drugyo.

Fair enough. I suppose that negates that single, solitary talking point. But does nothing to undermine my overall argument.

EroticFrootLoops1 votes

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Use of the mute button does not forgive the offense. It doesn't make what was said any more or less "okay." Metaphorically speaking, it's nothing more than a shield - and if you fire an arrow at me that hits my shield, you still shot an arrow at me. And that's still not cool.

By itself, perhaps not. In conjunction with other things, perhaps so.

Again, if you think that there isn't enough context to recognize the intent of that comment, you're mistaken.

Fair enough. I suppose that negates that single, solitary talking point. But does nothing to undermine my overall argument.

The thing is being passive-aggressive or sarcastic isn't against the Summoner's Code or Code of Conduct. I don't under stand that first point you tried to make as I didn't shoot any arrows/ flame kat she flamed me.

Jubbinaut1 votes

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The thing is being passive-aggressive or sarcastic isn't against the Summoner's Code or Code of Conduct. I don't under stand that first point you tried to make as I didn't shoot any arrows/ flame kat she flamed me.

Sarcasm is a tool. In and of itself, there's nothing wrong with any tool. What matters is how you use that tool - in this case, to spread significant negativity.

I can't help if you didn't understand the metaphor or the purpose behind it. The context of the explanation of why your "they should just mute me" argument is irrelevant is right there in the post.

EroticFrootLoops1 votes

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Sarcasm is a tool. In and of itself, there's nothing wrong with any tool. What matters is how you use that tool - in this case, to spread significant negativity.

I can't help if you didn't understand the metaphor or the purpose behind it. The context of the explanation of why your "they should just mute me" argument is irrelevant is right there in the post.

  1. I wasn't spreading significant negativity lol. The kat was spreading it I was just laughing it off.
  2. I understand the metaphor but people are saying I got suspended because I talked to him and should've just ignored him. So why can't the enemy team just ignore me if I'm apparently being "extremely toxic".
Jubbinaut1 votes

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  1. I wasn't spreading significant negativity lol. The kat was spreading it I was just laughing it off.

I - and Riot, and others in this thread - would disagree.

  1. I understand the metaphor but people are saying I got suspended because I talked to him and should've just ignored him. So why can't the enemy team just ignore me if I'm apparently being "extremely toxic".

I'm not sure how to explain the distinction, here.

On the one hand, you probably should have muted her - because it would have removed the temptation for you to respond to her, and thus helped keep you from speaking negatively.

On the other hand, whether or not they muted you is entirely irrelevant to whether or not you spoke negatively towards them.

EroticFrootLoops1 votes

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I - and Riot, and others in this thread - would disagree.

I'm not sure how to explain the distinction, here.

On the one hand, you probably should have muted her - because it would have removed the temptation for you to respond to her, and thus helped keep you from speaking negatively.

On the other hand, whether or not they muted you is entirely irrelevant to whether or not you spoke negatively towards them.

  1. So your telling me my sarcasm was ruining the game for others? 14 days for sarcasm + saying "report kat" is excessive and no other company would act so rash for such a small offense.
Jubbinaut1 votes

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  1. So your telling me my sarcasm was ruining the game for others?

Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. It was inappropriate and certainly unappreciated.

14 days for sarcasm + saying "report kat" is excessive and no other company would act so rash for such a small offense.

It's highly unlikely that this was your only offense, given Riot's history, and what I know of this system. Even so, as I stated before: "As for whether you were toxic enough in this one game for a 2-week ban? Well, that's not for me to say."

EroticFrootLoops1 votes

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Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. It was inappropriate and certainly unappreciated.

It's highly unlikely that this was your only offense, given Riot's history, and what I know of this system. Even so, as I stated before: "As for whether you were toxic enough in this one game for a 2-week ban? Well, that's not for me to say."

  1. I must have missed the part in the summoner's code or the code of conduct that said "No sarcasm".
  2. If its not my only offense show me the rest zzz I got banned after the game and this is all they show me. They warrants a chat restriction max so unless you got some serious shit they are going too far.
Jubbinaut1 votes

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I must have missed the part in the summoner's code or the code of conduct that said "No sarcasm".

You must also have missed the part of this discussion where I debunked that argument already. It's 3 of my posts back. Not too hard to find. Here, I've got a link to it for you.

If its not my only offense show me the rest zzz I got banned after the game and this is all they show me. They warrants a chat restriction max so unless you got some serious shit they are going too far.

It may not have been clear thus far, so allow me to be sure we both understand:

Hi! I'm a player, just like you! I have no secret special knowledge, nor do I have access to Riot's data or logs! What I do have is a lot of information about how they tend to do things, and their statements regarding their behavior systems.

Judging from that information, I can state that it is extremely likely that there were more games reviewed than the one you were sent. I cannot speak as to why only one was sent (though I suspect it was simpler to code it to simply show the triggering game, rather than search for random games in the case).

I have no say regarding what type of sanction you received, nor would I try to determine what kind of sanction you should have received - after all, my information is woefully incomplete, and thereby error-prone.

Best Darius KR3 votes

Tecnicaly, saying "report X person" in chat is a reportable offense, so yea, deal with it

Just learn to not talk sometimes

EroticFrootLoops1 votes

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Tecnicaly, saying "report X person" in chat is a reportable offense, so yea, deal with it

Just learn to not talk sometimes

Asking for a report is reportable? Then 90% of league should be suspended... I don't understand how asking for a report of a toxic player is toxic...

Best Darius KR3 votes

Using others as worse examples isn't an excuse.

Think about the summoner's code and now think about what type of behavior does saying "report X person" in all chat promote.

Not going to argue with you.

Delimon1 votes

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Using others as worse examples isn't an excuse.

Think about the summoner's code and now think about what type of behavior does saying "report X person" in all chat promote.

Not going to argue with you.

I don't think you are comprehending the problem here. The problem is not being punished. The problem is that the punishment is EXCESSIVE!

And the person causing the problem? They ALWAYS get off scott free. They keep playing and ruin other people's games and nothing is done about them at all.

Best Darius KR1 votes

Don't get me wrong here, i DO agree that the punishment is excessive

But the OP is asking why he got banned, not why the punishment was so harsh. So the problem here IS why he got punished

And just FYI, something people need to learn is that the number of reports DO NOT MATTER. Doesn't matter if the person is reported 1 or 9 times in one game. It does not matter. So, again, asking to report someone is negative behavior that should be banned

Raw2 votes

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Tecnicaly, saying "report X person" in chat is a reportable offense, so yea, deal with it

Just learn to not talk sometimes

This^ I hate toxic players but what grind my gears the most is when someone use "report X person" as a threat. If someone is being toxic in your game just mute them and NO! DO NOT make an announcement about muting them either and just report them after the game.

Sincerely,

http://www.auplod.com/u/lpodua564a6.png

EroticFrootLoops1 votes

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This^ I hate toxic players but what grind my gears the most is when someone use "report X person" as a threat. If someone is being toxic in your game just mute them and NO! DO NOT make an announcement about muting them either and report them after the game.

Sincerely,

http://www.auplod.com/u/lpodua564a6.png

If you were in the game with this Kat you'd have said it too... Like every sentence she sent contained the word "c**t".

Raw2 votes

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If you were in the game with this Kat you'd have said it too... Like every sentence she sent contained the word "c**t".

Actually no. I would actually enjoy it cause I know my report gonna hit her like a truck when Riot see the chat log.

Sincerely,

http://www.auplod.com/u/lpodua564a6.png

RookPusher2 votes

Dropping a C bomb is grounds for termination. Spare me your reasoning. Theres no reason to use that word, never mind it's against the terms. Talk about the game or shut up.

Delimon4 votes

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Dropping a C bomb is grounds for termination. Spare me your reasoning. Theres no reason to use that word, never mind it's against the terms. Talk about the game or shut up.

Hey, dumbass, how about you read the fuckin context

No, you do not deserve a ban for this nor were you toxic. At best you talked too much but that's it which is not ban worthy and I do not find this chat restriction worthy.

Send in a support ticket but don't get your hopes up because I've been waiting 6 days now for a reply.

EroticFrootLoops2 votes

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Hey, dumbass, how about you read the fuckin context

No, you do not deserve a ban for this nor were you toxic. At best you talked too much but that's it which is not ban worthy and I do not find this chat restriction worthy.

Send in a support ticket but don't get your hopes up because I've been waiting 6 days now for a reply.

I sent in a support ticket yesterday all they did was basically copy what they said in the email and send it to me.

Delimon2 votes

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I sent in a support ticket yesterday all they did was basically copy what they said in the email and send it to me.

Same here, and they said they were transferring my ticket to the behavior specialist but I haven't heard a reply back in about 6 days as of tomorrow.

EroticFrootLoops2 votes

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Same here, and they said they were transferring my ticket to the behavior specialist but I haven't heard a reply back in about 6 days as of tomorrow.

I just wish they would tell me what I did wrong. Like toxic behavior is such a wide category, as feeding intentionally is toxic, flaming is toxic, afking is toxic. If they would just tell me what I did wrong so I know its justified I wouldn't have a problem with it.

RookPusher1 votes

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Hey, dumbass, how about you read the fuckin context

No, you do not deserve a ban for this nor were you toxic. At best you talked too much but that's it which is not ban worthy and I do not find this chat restriction worthy.

Send in a support ticket but don't get your hopes up because I've been waiting 6 days now for a reply.

If you read the rules you'd know that context is irrelevant to using slurs. Be an adult and take responsibility.

Aerothal2 votes

"Wow gotta report you both now" "Report kat and kog after game.... very toxic" "Please report" "gg report kat :D"

are you serious?

EroticFrootLoops2 votes

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"Wow gotta report you both now" "Report kat and kog after game.... very toxic" "Please report" "gg report kat :D"

are you serious?

You aren't seeing our chat... the fact I only said it 4 times in the 40 minute game is astonishing.

Aerothal1 votes

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You aren't seeing our chat... the fact I only said it 4 times in the 40 minute game is astonishing.

Lyte clearly started that threatening to report, saying "reported" asking for players to be reported is a punishable offense. It is highly negative. All you had to do was to hit the mute button after the first insult, shut up, play the game to the best of your abilities and report them for verbal abuse after the game. You chose to verbally retaliate, to tell them that they are reported, to tell them that they are ruining the game, to tell the others in all chat that they are rude and so on and so on. Did it make you feel better? Was it worth? You totally deserve the punishment. I don't care what they said. they might have been punished too. You make this post, show a extremely negative chat behavior and wonder about a suspension. what is wrong with you?

EroticFrootLoops2 votes

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Lyte clearly started that threatening to report, saying "reported" asking for players to be reported is a punishable offense. It is highly negative. All you had to do was to hit the mute button after the first insult, shut up, play the game to the best of your abilities and report them for verbal abuse after the game. You chose to verbally retaliate, to tell them that they are reported, to tell them that they are ruining the game, to tell the others in all chat that they are rude and so on and so on. Did it make you feel better? Was it worth? You totally deserve the punishment. I don't care what they said. they might have been punished too. You make this post, show a extremely negative chat behavior and wonder about a suspension. what is wrong with you?

They were punished... we were both suspended right after the game. So what your saying is the fact that I talked to a toxic player is grounds for my suspension? That kinda seems unreasonable don't you think?

Aerothal1 votes

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They were punished... we were both suspended right after the game. So what your saying is the fact that I talked to a toxic player is grounds for my suspension? That kinda seems unreasonable don't you think?

not unreasonable at all. you chose to be toxic, you got punished. you made the choice to kick a wall of negative text at them rather than to hit the mute button and letting it go. thats on you. this is not league of chat retaliation. you created a toxic in game environment for the rest of the team by typing what you typed. you deserve your punishment. i dont care what they said

Delimon2 votes

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not unreasonable at all. you chose to be toxic, you got punished. you made the choice to kick a wall of negative text at them rather than to hit the mute button and letting it go. thats on you. this is not league of chat retaliation. you created a toxic in game environment for the rest of the team by typing what you typed. you deserve your punishment. i dont care what they said

You guys are lunatics. Do you know what a 14 day ban is? I wish that you got banned for 14 days just so that you can understand what a 14 day ban is and how excessive it is for something as little as this. In fact no other game would even flinch or look your way and ban you for this.

EroticFrootLoops2 votes

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not unreasonable at all. you chose to be toxic, you got punished. you made the choice to kick a wall of negative text at them rather than to hit the mute button and letting it go. thats on you. this is not league of chat retaliation. you created a toxic in game environment for the rest of the team by typing what you typed. you deserve your punishment. i dont care what they said

(O_O) How was I toxic? Because I was having a conversation? How is talking deserving of a punishment?

EroticFrootLoops2 votes

Like I understand I probably should've just muted him ,but seriously 14 day suspension for talking? I'd see a one or two day ban as justified but 14 days is absurd.

AJStarhiker2 votes

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4086541&page=1#post43465363

I can't remember where the actual Riot posts are (this is from a list compiled by another player that Riot agreed to pin in the old forums), but I have no doubt they have similar protections on the current system. Like I said, they don't want random solo players to get in trouble just because premade groups decide to gang up on them.

EroticFrootLoops2 votes

I understand that now but before this happened I didn't. If I believed more reports = higher chance of punishment for toxic player I'd try to get the enemy team to report. Since the only "justified" reason for my suspension I've seen so far is that I said "report kat" 2 weeks sounds kinda ridiculous. Everyone I know that plays league says "report x player for (offense)" and they don't consider it toxic or a threat. So if league really does consider "report x player" a threat they need a better way to tell us that.

AJStarhiker1 votes

The first thing I saw was that you let yourself get dragged into an argument over breaking meta. Not something I would report or vote punish on, but then you announce plans to report them. Not once, but I counted four times, including your last line of the game.

I counted at least 10 comments about Kat feeding. If she was doing it intentionally to bother you, congratulations on reinforcing her behavior. If not, there's no reason to tell her something she already knew.

Four times you specifically call her and/or kog toxic.

What I see in your chat log is that you let yourself get baited into arguing. You may think you need to "defend" yourself, but your best defense is actually to say nothing. In >4 years, I've never seen anyone punished for Refusing to Communicate.

My advice next time someone starts an argument or tries to fling insults at you, mute them and report them without announcing it or asking anyone else to report. If they keep trying to start something and you don't respond, they'll be the ones looking like jerks, and if they try to report you, they'll just get flagged for false reporting.

EroticFrootLoops2 votes

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The first thing I saw was that you let yourself get dragged into an argument over breaking meta. Not something I would report or vote punish on, but then you announce plans to report them. Not once, but I counted four times, including your last line of the game.

I counted at least 10 comments about Kat feeding. If she was doing it intentionally to bother you, congratulations on reinforcing her behavior. If not, there's no reason to tell her something she already knew.

Four times you specifically call her and/or kog toxic.

What I see in your chat log is that you let yourself get baited into arguing. You may think you need to "defend" yourself, but your best defense is actually to say nothing. In >4 years, I've never seen anyone punished for Refusing to Communicate.

My advice next time someone starts an argument or tries to fling insults at you, mute them and report them without announcing it or asking anyone else to report. If they keep trying to start someone and you don't respond, they'll be the ones looking like jerks, and if they try to report you, they'll just get flagged for false reporting.

So I was suspended for talking? Talking is extremely toxic behavior? 14 days for talking [-___-]...

AJStarhiker2 votes

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So I was suspended for talking? Talking is extremely toxic behavior? 14 days for talking [-___-]...

No, you were suspended because you responded in kind. You asked why announcing and asking for reports can get you banned, it's because announcing it is considered a threat. While not on the same level ask threatening to call the police on a kid for not picking up his/her room or eating dinner (I had a babysitter once that did that), it's a similar mentality. Asking for reports has a similar threatening tone, but it's unnecessary. The system only looks at if any reports were filed. Whether it's 1 or 9, it still counts as one game reported.

As far as my advice about muting, that's mainly because your chat makes it look like you tend to respond aggressively if someone is trying to harrass you. If you can't see what they are saying, you won't have anything to respond to. Just make sure to report them after the game, then forget about them

That will be your best revenge: Continued play (hopefully with a nice winning streak) while they play russian roulette with their accounts.

EroticFrootLoops1 votes

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No, you were suspended because you responded in kind. You asked why announcing and asking for reports can get you banned, it's because announcing it is considered a threat. While not on the same level ask threatening to call the police on a kid for not picking up his/her room or eating dinned (I had a babysitter once that did that), it's a similar mentality. Asking for reports has a similar threatening tone, but it's unnecessary. The system only looks at if any reports were filed. Whether it's 1 or 9, it still counts as one game reported.

As far as my advice about muting, that's mainly because your chat makes it look like you tend to respond aggressively if someone is trying to harrass you. If you can't see what they are saying, you won't have anything to respond to. Just make sure to report them after the game, then forget about them

That will be your best revenge: Continued play (hopefully with a nice winning streak) while they play russian roulette with their accounts.

So I got a 14 day suspension for my "extremely toxic" behavior of asking for reports... O_O Like a chat suspension, one or two day ban, would be reasonable for that... but 1/2 a month is excessive.

AJStarhiker3 votes

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So I got a 14 day suspension for my "extremely toxic" behavior of asking for reports... O_O Like a chat suspension, one or two day ban, would be reasonable for that... but 1/2 a month is excessive.

I suspect this wasn't the first game you allowed yourself to get baited. It was just the game that tipped the scales. That's not me trying to accuse you of anything, that's just the pattern I've seen over 4+ years of lurking around the forums/boards.

Is it excessive? I don't know. I don't have access to your full chat history like Riot does. I'm just trying to offer some advice on how to avoid a future ban and some of the things I saw in this log that could have led to your current suspension.

EroticFrootLoops1 votes

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I suspect this wasn't the first game you allowed yourself to get baited. It was just the game that tipped the scales. That's not me trying to accuse you of anything, that's just the pattern I've seen over 4+ years of lurking around the forums/boards.

Is it excessive? I don't know. I don't have access to your full chat history like Riot does. I'm just trying to offer some advice on how to avoid a future ban and some of the things I saw in this log that could have led to your current suspension.

If they have more chat logs why not show me... Last time I was banned like 10-11 months ago for actually being toxic (I reformed and even got the skin for being a good guy :D) they showed the other games you were reported for.

AJStarhiker2 votes

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If they have more chat logs why not show me... Last time I was banned like 10-11 months ago for actually being toxic (I reformed and even got the skin for being a good guy :D) they showed the other games you were reported for.

I don't know why they're only giving one game, although I suspect it's easier to add one game to an email than several games. Quite frankly, I miss the old Tribunal and the reform cards. It allowed the community to have a say in what was/wasn't appropriate and gave a much better picture of behavioral patterns to see multiple examples.

EroticFrootLoops1 votes

So I just reread The Summoner's Code http://gameinfo.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/get-started/summoners-code/ and the Code of Conduct http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/legal/termsofuse. No where does it say that saying "report x player" is bad. Of course it says "C. Harassing, stalking, or threatening any other users in the Game;" but how is asking others to report a player threatening? Is saying "This guy is robbing places report them to the police with me" threatening?

AJStarhiker3 votes

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So I just reread The Summoner's Code http://gameinfo.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/get-started/summoners-code/ and the Code of Conduct http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/legal/termsofuse. No where does it say that saying "report x player" is bad. Of course it says "C. Harassing, stalking, or threatening any other users in the Game;" but how is asking others to report a player threatening? Is saying "This guy is robbing places report them to the police with me" threatening?

If someone is robbing a store, it only needs one call to 911 to alert the police. If someone is harassing you or insulting you in game, it only needs one report to flag the game for review on that player. It's done that way to avoid giving too much power to premades.

I need to find the link, but awhile back, Lyte had a post about "Report" being one of the most common words used in punished logs. Someone else might have and post, or I can see if I can track it down. That explains it better that I can.

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