Will I Ever be Good

unseasoned·Mar 22, 2017·1 votes·377 views

I have borderline 1000 hours in league, highest rank ive gotten is s2 98lp

I dont really play league for fun anymore, only for ranks and being better than my friends

The only thing that drives me to play this game is the urge to get a higher rank ie: gold or plat

Im have so much time played and currently im hardstuck low silver, took me all that time to barely improve and now i feel like ive stopped improving or even gotten worse. I recently stopped playing upon giving up on the game and my hopes of mid teir elo.

My question is, if its taken me this long to be silver, will i ever be good? Are people who are naturally good at the game or just inclined to be a good player in high elo by 1000 hours? I feel like I just need to face the reality that im bad

heres my stats https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=dongsickle

18 Comments

ThrëatMar 22, 20171 votes

I think a lot of it is natural ability of mechanics and personal ability of game knowledge and decision making to learn. If you are tapped out on both then the only way you'll improve is by getting a coach, but if you are maxed out on your natural ability then being taught will only go so far. You might hit mid gold if you learn the game more. To get to a decently high rank you need to have a lot of natural ability in mechanics. I play all types of games online and I can consistently get into the top 1% because of natural ability carrying me until my personal ability catches up.

unseasonedMar 22, 20171 votes

I play Csgo and i can make it to top 10% having only around 300 hours in the game, my issue is just league really, i find that if my team does bad im just not good enough to carry, i mean im a 1trick on shaco and my winrate with him is never negative, i feel as if my mechanical abilities with said champ are up to par but my game knowlege and overall knowlege of how to jungle to the best of my ability has all been self taught and i feel it holds me back. Everyone i talk to or play with jungles differently than me and i cant tell if thats because i do it wrong or not. What can i do for myself? Is coaching really my only option?

TeslynMar 22, 20171 votes

#1 - Game knowledge.

#2 - Mute people / dont argue i cannot tell you how many games i have been on the winning side with a crappy KDA. in the same note when i have a bad game there is always one person trying to explain to me how my runes and masteries arnt optimal or some other point of how i didnt play how they wanted me to so it is all my fault my team lost. honestly hear that stuff at end game because i have muted them early on in the game.

#3 Know the sad truth Sometimes you just have to stop chasing. Sometimes that guy who runs in there needs to die solo. Sometimes you just need to walk away.

#4 Take everything The game is about burst right now. use every ability and take every kill. If you dont go hard, why play rank.

#5 wave management give your 6th team member a chance

unseasonedMar 22, 20171 votes

i /muteall every game but i do get baited a lot by my team (as in i follow some idiot's descision to go in because i doubt my own judgement) and yes i try to get as fed as i can and on shaco i can do that pretty well every game, and wave management i only really know that u pretty well always want it pushed

TeslynMar 22, 20171 votes

Wave management is not always about pushing.

There is:

Freezing, (basically last hitting but in style keeping the wave from moving) Bouncing, (killing the turret right after the last minion dies so the waves meet each other keeping experience away from the enemy) Fast push, (basically clearing the whole wave) Slow push (only killing the casters and turret minion so your wave builds up on the tank ones)

Knowing how to make a wave crash on a tower instead of getting caught just before tower range. Late game when you are 6 items - Do you know about selling your item 1001 buying item 3512 using the active then selling the zzrot and getting your boots back so you can go to other lanes?

any questions just respond to this.

unseasonedMar 23, 20171 votes

i knew most those terms even tho i dont really lane but bouncing waves sounds pretty useful

also that zzrot thing, ive never seen it once, is this a common tactic?

TeslynMar 23, 20171 votes

i dont see people do it. i do it and there is always 1 or 2 people wondering where the ZZ rot came from. but it keeps the farthest tower safer by either pushing the lane back or slowing the split pusher late game. Small tricks keep me in plat or above and i like getting a free skin every year

Controlling the wave and not dieing gets you to gold.

ThrëatMar 23, 20171 votes

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i knew most those terms even tho i dont really lane but bouncing waves sounds pretty useful

also that zzrot thing, ive never seen it once, is this a common tactic?

The zz rot thing is pretty popular in high elo, not so much in low. I also get ghost blade instead of boots after I put it down because the damage is good on my champ and the active makes up for lack of move speed if I play safe when it's on cd.

ThrëatMar 22, 20171 votes

If your natural ability isn't holding you back and it is just your personal ability ( game knowledge / decision making ) then you COULD potentially learn by watching your own replays and analyzing your own game play and improve but this process would be a lot faster if you had a coach.

In CS GO you really don't require a lot of game knowledge since that game is more about natural ability. I got up to LEM without really knowing the maps all too well or how to utilize save rounds / money to the fullest. I wasn't even using grenades much. In CS Go it is like 80% natural and 20% personal.

In League it is more like 60% natural and 40% personal. I think if someone is pretty damn perfect mechanically but absolute shit in knowledge they will get to around mid Gold. If you have the same ability but a bit of game knowledge it wouldn't be hard to hit Plat. Its when you fine tune both that you start to get to the higher elos, and the good part about this, especially for League, once you get to that level it is incredibly easy to keep doing it every season after. I hit Diamond in S5 (S4 if you count 3s) and have had no problem getting it every season since.

unseasonedMar 22, 20171 votes

also i sometimes consider swapping to a lane role rather than jungling, i know that my personal knowlege is sub par but i feel its much more required and intensive as a jungler. i feel somwhere like mid is like 70:30 skill to game knowlege. ive had some success in midland, but ganks tilt me to hell and it when i tilt its hard asf for me to untilt

ThrëatMar 22, 20171 votes

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also i sometimes consider swapping to a lane role rather than jungling, i know that my personal knowlege is sub par but i feel its much more required and intensive as a jungler. i feel somwhere like mid is like 70:30 skill to game knowlege. ive had some success in midland, but ganks tilt me to hell and it when i tilt its hard asf for me to untilt

Yea, I was doing the 60/40 based on Jungling. In lane it probably goes up to like 65/35 or 70/30 during laning phase and then 60/40 once late game hits. I personally think jungling is the best for consistently climbing. In lane you have to deal with bad match ups and being camped if your jungler is incompetent and the enemy jungler is afraid that you will snowball. As a jungler it takes a lot of coordination from the enemy team to camp you so you don't snowball, which you won't see in Solo Q.

unseasonedMar 22, 20171 votes

ive put almost all my time in lol into jg, and i cant even say i know how i jungle, i just play aggro shaco (244k mas points of just noskill cheesing people pre much) and go for picks and low health ganks like all game i try to control dragon but i lack in that area somtimes becuase idk how to control botside in soloq when botlane loses. I dont do anything special as a jungler. Would you say try to learn game knowlege well and stay as a jungler or pick up a high skill cap champ and eventually once my mecanics are down win some games

ThrëatMar 22, 20171 votes

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ive put almost all my time in lol into jg, and i cant even say i know how i jungle, i just play aggro shaco (244k mas points of just noskill cheesing people pre much) and go for picks and low health ganks like all game i try to control dragon but i lack in that area somtimes becuase idk how to control botside in soloq when botlane loses. I dont do anything special as a jungler. Would you say try to learn game knowlege well and stay as a jungler or pick up a high skill cap champ and eventually once my mecanics are down win some games

I don't think Shaco is a good pick in low elo unless you are GODLY with him. The problem with Shaco is no matter how fed you get early game he completely lacks in late game. With Shaco your best bet is to give out as many kills as you can early and mid and hope your team carries you in late game. Taking kills as Shaco does more harm than good.

I think starting in the jungle is kind of a backwards way to do it. I started as Top, then Mid, then Adc and then Jungle. Understanding how lanes work makes you a better jungler. Knowing match ups means you know where to be on the map, knowing wave management allows you to time ganks better so you don't impact your lanes ability to control the wave.

Picking up a jungler that is better in mid/late game will help out a bit and possibly give you that nudge to Gold. Eventually you can go back to Shaco once you have more game knowledge. I main a champion that is relatively bad at late game but know how to do enough anyway to put pressure on the map and make myself useful during the stages where my champion is weak.

unseasonedMar 22, 20171 votes

Ive been playing zac recently and i do like suprisingly good but i have a dead 50% winrate, my opinion as to why is that i have to rely on my team for any of my plays to even count, lets say our and their team is contesting back and forth for mid with no engage. i ping on my way a few times as i channel my E and i land on their backline, catching 2 fed players, i qw ult and get a kill, eventually die, look around, no team, they either left or all died to tanks. this frustrates me a lot and it happens fairly often. Am i just being too ambitious with my plays or what, like what am i supposed to do differently just peel for my own backline all game?

also i find myself sortof lost with shaco after the rework, most things i used to do dont work anymore and my attempts to change my playstyle are to a completely different goal and make me feel less useful, whats considered right as a shaco is to gank and give kills to your laners and ease up on the counter jg as it used to be more viable. this makes my laners fed and puts them in control and makes me even more irellevent as the game drags on, that is an issue for me as i do not trust soloq whatsoever

ThrëatMar 23, 20171 votes

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Ive been playing zac recently and i do like suprisingly good but i have a dead 50% winrate, my opinion as to why is that i have to rely on my team for any of my plays to even count, lets say our and their team is contesting back and forth for mid with no engage. i ping on my way a few times as i channel my E and i land on their backline, catching 2 fed players, i qw ult and get a kill, eventually die, look around, no team, they either left or all died to tanks. this frustrates me a lot and it happens fairly often. Am i just being too ambitious with my plays or what, like what am i supposed to do differently just peel for my own backline all game?

It is really situational. If you are fed enough to dive their back linexpensive and get out as zac than that is good. If you can engage to the point of suicide and still win the fight because your team is able to clean up that is also good. If you are engaging just because you can, regardless of if your team has the potential to win the fight without you then that is bad. You have to really pick and choose when you are going to dive the enemy back line. If I am 20-0-20 as nocturne and dive the enemy back line at the 45 minute mark when my team can't win the fight without my constant presence then I threw the game, not all my team mates with .5 kdas. Late game plays, especially dives, require a lot of planning and thought.

Making a catch is almost always good, but you need to be able to tell when you are making a catch and when you are doing a dive. Catches are great if your team is losing and dives are good when your team is already winning, if done right. I five when losing is almost always bad and you should just be peeling and hoping the enemy throws if you are behind. It's always likely a team of silver or golds will tower dive and throw at some point.

unseasonedMar 23, 20171 votes

ill give jg one more shot, and see how i do, ill msg u if i end up in gold somehow