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I have not and will not spend money on this game! [Explanation]

qEsZ7LJwvc·9/2/2014, 4:10:41 AM·16 votes·4,924 views

I love this game, I have played this game since it existed.

[Adding in a little note about my history with this game as well] I have played this game since it was around, YEARS, I have played from bronze to diamond, and I also have had 5 accounts permabanned. I am not someone to intentionally feed or afk, I simply put tend to type a lot... and people tend to get offended by things that in my understanding of this world aren't that offensive... and I tend to not respond very well to people growing sensitive of these things.

I don't think that I'm a bad person, and I play plenty of games where people are thankful for the experience of playing with me.

Sometimes I'm just hungry and don't deal well with some 12 year old whos mom just yelled at him getting a little angry.

We are all people, and people by nature are quite volatile.

I have gone through all of the things I'm discussing and think that I have a pretty rare and informative perspective on the whole situation. [/end pointless introduction into who I am]

Here is why I have never and will never spend money on the game that I love and play so much:

  1. You permanently ban players, while I'm perfectly understanding of the fact that some times people go to far, there is absolutely no reason to ever completely remove an account from play besides POSSIBLY proven attempts at actually defrauding or cheating at the game in some way.

Clarity

I think that Cheaters, Habitual Leavers, and Botters should be permanently banned and IP/MAC ADRESS Banned. Obviously.

I think that Time-Bans are completely logical for intentional feeding on any sort of regular basis.

If someone rages all day every day, give them a chat ban, or even better just completely squelch them where they can't talk, then giving them the CHOICE to start over on a new account and try not to rage, or just continue on being UNABLE to rage - but still having all of the things they payed good money to have.

  1. Whether it is your fault or not your servers are fucking garbage right now, for months, and its something that I can almost guarantee that at least once a week I'm going to log on to play in the very limited window that I have to play and either be unable to completely or even worse I'll be able to and then randomly disconnect (at no fault to me or my ISP).

I remember a time when you guys offered RP as a means of compensating for a couple of hours of down-time, or in the few events that you had issues over a period of time you offered written detailed apologies explaining the intricate details of the situation.

I at least felt like you gave a crap beyond the "economic" motivations behind keeping your game functioning...

Recently that has been lost to me.

  1. I absolutely detest the fact that you expect people to play over 500 games before they are even able to play one single full (to my understanding) game. Even if you buy RP and buy every single champion you still lack the runes and the summoner level to play those champions in ranked before this point. I consider a full game to be a ranked game in which you have the correct runes to play with any champion you choose to play with.

Your current system is awful, imagine that anybody who is brand new to the game is actually 20 levels or roughly 100 games away from being able to jungle with any sort of real presence in the game without grossly snowballing off a few early kills. This means that in what is a huge investment of time to a lot of people you are actually learning the game wrong. Learning to play this game with no fear of a feral flare udyr sprinting out of the jungle erasing you in seconds (BEFORE THE 45 MINUTE MARK) is simply learning to play it wrong.

  1. I think as much as a result of 1-2-3 as an additional issue is the horrible community. The report button is the reason that the community is as bad as it is. Take the report button away and you know what people who aren't bags of insane rage will do to combat insane bags of rage, the mute button... the proper action.

I can't begin to count the number of games I've seen the word "report" trigger a firestorm that people can't possibly begin to rationalize. In my personal experience games that don't have a report button are slightly less friendly to the super-sensitive kid who cries because someone calls him a noob, but it is absolutely a better place for me to play... free of people attempting to push my buttons to justify their own insane reactions.

  1. I find this to be a different issue than 2... You have no servers on the East Coast?!? My ping in Northern Latin America is 40ms-60ms, my ping in the North American server has steadily risen from the old 70ms-90ms to a wonderful 110ms-170ms [Completely excluding the random 1-10second delays caused by Reason 2] I live in the North-East, it isn't geographically sensible that my ping should vary so much.

I remember back before you decided to hide the fact that the game was completely unfair for people playing on the east coast, seeing people with 10ms-25ms ping very regularly with me sitting at 70ms... now I'm certain these people are likely playing at 50ms while I'm playing at 170ms... do you realize how much of an advantage that is?!?!

There are plenty of options out there to fix these concerns, some of them are completely free...

I personally find the game still quite enjoyable at 200ms ping (which I hit sometimes) even with other people running around reacting to things I couldn't possibly react to... so whats to prevent you from installing that 200ms ping on all players, evening the playing field for those of us who don't have dial-up still and can at least maintain a 200ms ping.

I have more reasons, and I intend to continue adding more, I would love to hear some other people's reasons, or comments on my reasons... I'd love to have the confidence it requires for me to spend money on this game, but I just don't see it happening unless we address these things as a whole rather than attempting to throw band-aids at each of the stab wounds until they all get infected and we die.

58 Comments

Ironclad Dragon9/2/2014, 4:23:11 AM11 votes

I once said I wouldn't spend money on this game.

Boy, did that turn out wrong.

Stephenizgod9/2/2014, 4:32:49 AM8 votes

I disagree with your point on permaban, the threat of losing everything you bought should dissuade any cheating or something, if you are still dumb enough to get banned then you deserve it.

AbiwonKenabi9/2/2014, 1:21:32 PM5 votes

If you feel that you don't want to invest real money in this game, then you are entitled to that. However, I think a lot of what you're saying is not really valid.

For one, you've been banned 5 times. 5 TIMES. This isn't a case of "I made some mistakes, got banned for a week, now I'm reforming." This is "I repeatedly offend the community, and got permabanned MULTIPLE TIMES." You have to be stubbornly toxic in order to pull that off, as I don't think its easy to get permabanned. The threat of losing any money you might invest is real to you, so it makes sense you should be cautious about spending money. However, that threat works in a different way: preventing people from continuing their poor behavior in order to protect their account they've invested in. Also, banning IPs can be trouble. I've read from a Rioter that they once tried that and banned an entire college dorm. I've played from within a dorm before and I know a lot of others who have as well; its not fair to punish a huge group of most likely well-behaved players just for one idiot.

I can't really say much for their server status right now, I've not had a great deal of issue with it personally. I agree they should fix it, but its likely we won't hear about it until its fixed, and I'd rather them spend their time on fixing it anyways.

I detect that you might be frustrated with the leveling process since you've leveled at least 5 accounts, but you may have a point. While I think its necessary to have a learning period in a game where there is so much to learn, jungling is one thing that is really hard to teach to newer players, and is not supported well right now. However, I don't really see why that's a reason not to spend money on the game. I agree that the rune system needs a lot of work, but its not completely terrible. Just sort of bad.

Reporting is very important: its a function that isn't missed until its gone. Any self-respecting online game has some sort of report function, and that's because it works. When a person gets caught repeatedly doing bad behaviors (gets reported) then it makes it easy to catch those players who are making the community frustrating and punish them for it. The toxicity would only grow without the report function because otherwise there is no threat preventing people from just being complete assholes. That's like taking the teacher out out of the classroom and saying "just ignore the bad kids." It doesn't usually work.

Don't really have a lot to say about the extra server. I live close to the East Coast as well and know for a fact I don't get as good ping, but is it really that much of a difference? As I said, I don't have enough info on this.

As I said before, you don't have to spend money on this game if you don't want to: its your prerogative. You just lose a lot of validity when you've been permabanned 5 times...I mean, that basically means you are one of the reason to NOT spend money on the game.

Gavran9/2/2014, 8:30:31 AM5 votes

You've been permad 5 times...? Stop coming back.

World Eaters9/2/2014, 12:46:31 PM3 votes

I would take what you were saying more seriously if this wasn't your what 6th account? at that point YOU set a trend and sure I can understand having bad days and getting trolled sucks and sometimes you just really want to let that kid know how nasty it is that his parents are siblings haha and I have been known to do that from time to time but I make sure its not a regular thing so I don't get banned. you seem to have done just fine in making your bad behavior a regular occurrence causing your account to get banned repeatedly soooooooo I see you have some points but your own history kinda makes half of what your saying hypocritical.

Now don't get mad cause I think perma bans are really stupid like holy crap all the time and effort I have put in because of other people group banning me cause of a bad day or even a bad week is really stupid. not fair at all. so you have a good point there. Rages should get muted from chat automatically cheaters using bugs should be banned and bad players should be set back five levels lol but then I think the ONLY people that should have account permanently banned are people that mess up every game. they play intentionally just to mess with 4 other people at a time. people who only play the game to mess it up don't deserve to play.

That being said the ragers, the unskilled, bad communicators all I think that requires is nudges in the right direction not a Hammer smashing all the work they have put in so far. its just not fair

but overall you make a good case I upvote this

Deep Terror Nami9/2/2014, 4:20:35 AM3 votes

I agree that the Rune system is terrible, and that the servers suck even when they aren't getting DDoS'd, but I think that's where I stop agreeing. Try naming one popular online game that won't permaban, and I'll give you an example of them permabanning. The toxicity and cheating they ban for is decided to be bad by the community, not Riot. It is not acceptable here, in any other game, or in real life, and if removing those people from the community is the only way to get rid of that behavior then so be it. We do the same thing in real life, too. Your ping, I'm sorry, but they likely put their servers where they service the most people. It's a business, it's about efficiency. I have no doubts that new servers closer to your region will pop up if the game continues to make sufficient money for them.

MyAccountYouGuys9/2/2014, 4:54:12 AM3 votes

Most of this stuff is a bit too touchy for me to comment on, but the way the Rune/Champion unlocking system works is a great big bundle of pointless bother. Runes in of themselves frankly shouldn't exist, as they give power, however small an amount, not to the most skilled player but to the person who has the best Google-Fu. And more to the point, they actively hurt experimentation for anyone without excess time and money-you must choose between more champions, runes for said champions, or runes you'd just like to test out on the champions you already own. I'd do the math for how much time it takes to get the average 17,000-21,300(!) IP for a 6,300 champion plus a full set of runes for just one style of play of said champion, but suffice to say it's a long ass time for people who want to do things other than LoL in their free time.

Daen9/2/2014, 7:09:34 PM2 votes

I also have had 5 accounts permabanned.

Sigh. You'd think you would have learned after five accounts.

You permanently ban players

"Stop banning me pls" - FTFY

This is a downside? I never want to have to play with someone that makes the experience of others worse, and if it's so egregious that it requires a permanent ban it's absolutely deserved.

I think that Cheaters, Habitual Leavers, and Botters should be permanently banned and IP/MAC ADRESS Banned.

Permanently banned yes, IP/MAC banned no. Keep in mind many players play from public computers or on school networks, and IP/MAC address banning can ruin the experience for far more people than is necessary.

Whether it is your fault or not your servers are fucking garbage right now

It's neither their fault nor their servers. I highly recommend researching DDoSing/botnets and how severe it can be for most business that aren't Google.

The report button is the reason that the community is as bad as it is. Take the report button away and you know what people who aren't bags of insane rage will do to combat insane bags of rage, the mute button... the proper action.

No. Just no. Muting, by definition, is a reaction brought about by negativity. That is not a solution, that is a patch over a much more significant problem.

You have no servers on the East Coast?!?

No, they don't. They are working on it, however, and it's a very time-consuming and expensive process.

whats to prevent you from installing that 200ms ping on all players

Should Riot also ensure that all players have equal packet loss or massive ping spikes to other players, just to keep the playing field level?

The majority of your points are either not valid or heavily biased due to the fact you clearly don't seem to care that you are ruining the experience for hundreds if not thousands of players.

qEsZ7LJwvc9/2/2014, 4:26:38 AM2 votes

I live in the most densely populated part of the United States that isn't California. I am 100% confident that there are at least as many if not more players in "my area" than any other part of the united states. Also, clearly its a bit more complex than just the geographic location, seeing as I connect to a server that is just as far away (Northern Latin America) and have a much lower ping.

It is impossible for someone with a chat ban to ruin your experience in game, they just don't have enough characters to type out that can possibly generate them any sort of ability to ruin your day.

So I don't see how it is needed for the drastic amount of time and money they could have put into their account should be taken away when there is an existing system to prevent them from continuing on their destructive path even if they don't choose to reform on their own.

If the person is going to rage no matter what then wouldn't you rather play with them unable to talk then be the poor guy that has to play with him at level 11 raging even harder?!?!

Having these people make new accounts to rage on isn't fixing anything, it just removes integrity from the RP system and ruins the experience of newer players...

Seeing as low levels consist of mostly banned people and new players... its just a horrible mix.

Kaine9/2/2014, 4:33:24 AM2 votes

Dont worry.

I think I paid for about ten other people to keep playing.

Bet you are glad :D

UaSOkrfUHB9/2/2014, 4:36:25 AM1 votes

Preach it brother. Greedy corporate crap going on, hire some security for your servers with all the rp money people throw at you.