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@RIOT People Need To Stop Calling Other People Autistic

SmittyFromAbove··4 votes·2,248 views

It's starting to become a huge problem not just in League of Legends but in online games in general. Personally I think it is just a big problem as racism because it in any event its a form of discrimination used by unintelligent, ignorant, toxic idiots. In any event I think Riot needs to start treating it more serious in the tribunal if this is not already the case.

I do not suffer from any mental conditions except depression and while they are fundamentally different conditions I still understand the public stigma that surrounds mental health issues in general. Every time I see someone get called autistic in a league game I cant help but wonder if that person might actually be so and the terrible feeling they would get from being singled out in a negative way for it. I also think the community needs to start taking a stand on not only this matter but other matters such as racism or negativity in general in games. People need to shut these people down in games and maybe they will get the message. Try standing up for a fellow player by saying something to the toxic player because when you just stay silent in issues like these you automatically show support for the trolls.

I am just sick of how ignorant a good majority of the player base is in this game, and the fact that it this trend is ongoing and only growing in size is a good indicator Riot is not doing enough to combat these people in game. I would love to hear if anyone has an opinion on the subject but if your just here to add nothing to the conversation just move along. For what a constructive comment looks like see The AFK Farmer's comment and for the complete opposite see anything posted by Roman MVP.

29 Comments

12tales3 votes

As an autist, I find this kind of activism to be more annoying than anything else. It's not a horrible feeling of being singled out, it's just a generic insult that happens to also have a technical meaning - not dissimilar to retard. What the opining player wants to communicate, they will - what the insulted player takes from it, they'll take from it. Using the word 'autistic' to disparage someone is no worse than using any other words, and focusing on the specific arrangement of letters used to insult people is missing the forest for the trees. Also,

For what a constructive comment looks like see The AFK Farmer's comment and for the complete opposite see anything posted by Roman MVP.

No need to be pissy.

SmittyFromAbove1 votes

As an autist, I find this kind of activism to be more annoying than anything else. It's not a horrible feeling of being singled out, it's just a generic insult that happens to also have a technical meaning - not dissimilar to retard. What the opining player wants to communicate, they will - what the insulted player takes from it, they'll take from it. Using the word 'autistic' to disparage someone is no worse than using any other words, and focusing on the specific arrangement of letters used to insult people is missing the forest for the trees. Also,

For what a constructive comment looks like see The AFK Farmer's comment and for the complete opposite see anything posted by Roman MVP.

No need to be pissy.

its not pissy I just didnt come on here for dead end comments, but seeing as your autistic and you cant pick up on social queues Ill let it slide

12tales1 votes

its not pissy I just didnt come on here for dead end comments, but seeing as your autistic and you cant pick up on social queues Ill let it slide

No, it's being pissy. You're passive aggressively whining about people not doing what you want. There isn't a social context in which that isn't objectionable behavior.

That said, your assumptions about what I'm capable of are significantly more insulting than some random ass using the word 'autistic' as an insult.

SmittyFromAbove1 votes

its not pissy I just didnt come on here for dead end comments, but seeing as your autistic and you cant pick up on social queues Ill let it slide

No, it's being pissy. You're passive aggressively whining about people not doing what you want. There isn't a social context in which that isn't objectionable behavior.

You don't know what passive aggressive means obviously but I can tell you right now if Im going to be aggressive I will come right out and say it to your face. People who are passive aggressive have issues with confidence and I can tell you right now I am in a good place confidence wise. And I can tell how you are trying to degrade someone by using buzz words like whining* but there is no one whining here. Now that you have been exposed as a troll or your just having a bad day, either way you have nothing useful to add, you can move along now.

12tales2 votes

Ah, sorry. You're not being passive aggressive. You're just expressing hostility indirectly by addressing your complaints to people other than the poster you take issue with. Gotcha.

RomanMVP2 votes

so a real condition is the same as a slur...

is calling someone black a slur?

oh fyi, being silent does not show support, riot has been trying to get people to stop talking to trolls altogether for the past 5 years.

EDIT: oh JUST being the same, also just as offensive, that's even more ridiculous.

get some perspective...

SmittyFromAbove1 votes

so a real condition is the same as a slur...

is calling someone black a slur?

oh fyi, being silent does not show support, riot has been trying to get people to stop talking to trolls altogether for the past 5 years.

EDIT: oh JUST being the same, also just as offensive, that's even more ridiculous.

get some perspective...

You know what being silent is defiantly not the same as doing it yourself but you are kidding yourself if you think it is not supporting the person throwing out the insults. Its one of those instances where if your not part of the solution your part of the problem. As for the rest of your statement really don't understand what your even getting at.

RomanMVP3 votes

That works in the real world, but this isn't the real world, and you have no idea what you are talking about.

Go watch countless talks done by community managers and behavioral people who work at these companies. It isn't the same, because everyone is anonymous. That changes pretty much everything.

Scenario 1:

Riot filters out the use of the word autistic

effect:

Riot gets tons of flak for implying autism itself is offensive, its the same reason "gay" isn't filtered out. It doesn't stop the use of the word autistic because people will say it anyway.

Scenario 2:

Riot asks people to stop.

effect:

Riot gets a clap Nothing else changes.

SmittyFromAbove1 votes

That works in the real world, but this isn't the real world, and you have no idea what you are talking about.

Go watch countless talks done by community managers and behavioral people who work at these companies. It isn't the same, because everyone is anonymous. That changes pretty much everything.

Scenario 1:

Riot filters out the use of the word autistic

effect:

Riot gets tons of flak for implying autism itself is offensive, its the same reason "gay" isn't filtered out. It doesn't stop the use of the word autistic because people will say it anyway.

Scenario 2:

Riot asks people to stop.

effect:

Riot gets a clap Nothing else changes.

You know who really has no idea what they are talking about someone who says someone else has no idea what they are talking about after they posted an entire paragraph explaining a problem, especially to someone who has two years of minor in soc* and psyc*,

RomanMVP1 votes

Not like everyone else has had education in psychology.

nope not at all.

Surakai2 votes

OP, please stop talking. you were completely raped by a self-proclaimed autistic guy at least twice already.

SmittyFromAbove1 votes

OP, please stop talking. you were completely raped by a self-proclaimed autistic guy at least twice already.

Looking at 12Tales profile he actually seems like a decent guy, and while we obviously have a difference of opinion on this particular subject matter I can respect him as a peer. However in regards to you not only do I have no respect for you but it is abundantly clear that you are just a massive troll. Looking at your comments reveals the laundry list of traits you possess including: pathetic, ignorant, self-loathing, socially inadequate, the list goes on and on. Basically you contain all the ingredients of the typical internet toxic troll whose bridge is obviously the league of legends forums. Your need for any attention at all stems from the obvious fact you receive none in real life probably due to the fact you have the personality of someone like Jeffrey Dahmer. You come onto a thread (I started) to tell me to stop talking, well allow me to enlighten you since you lack any common sense, you in no way, shape or form are being made to stay and interact with my thread, so just do yourself a favour and scram sherlock.

Surakai2 votes

why are you so emotional? is it because your mom makes you consume estrogen?

SmittyFromAbove1 votes

why are you so emotional? is it because your mom makes you consume estrogen?

Nice response typical from someone with the immaturity of a spoiled ten year old. Ill just reiterate my previous statement as it sums you up perfectly.

jinxedchef2 votes

Or you can grow a pair and not care what someone, who you will never meet, types on a PC hundreds of miles away from you.

disregardable1 votes

I agree something needs to be done by Riot. It's just as offensive as a racist or homophobic slur, and it should be treated the same way.

SmittyFromAbove1 votes

For me to be wrong about my perspective I would first need to identify one in the first place whereas all I did here was highlight a rampant problem and say something needs to be done about it. I have not offered any solutions myself as I would first like to hear others opinions before formulating my own. Especially some input from a Riot member would be be most helpful. My main point was that the complex nature of autism makes the pejorative use of the term even more misguided and unhelpful then some people attempt to make it out to be. Lexicographers argue it is a powerful tool used to dramatise the idea of impaired communications, to taunt those deemed not able to articulate or understand a range of ideas. But for most of the ignorant little kids in this game its a direct insult meant almost in line with an idiotic taunt.

RomanMVP2 votes

You can't fix it.

"Riot should really get rid of toxicity!" "Riot should really control this feeding problem!" "Riot should really stop their servers from being attacked!"

SmittyFromAbove1 votes

Would love to hear some ideas from some constructive people.

Jubbinaut1 votes

Some thoughts:

First - Your wall of text is difficult to read, as it tends to blur together. Formatting it some to break it up would indicate respect for your reader, and I'd highly recommend it.

Second - When the Tribunal was active, the words "retard" and "autistic" were often considered to be "auto-punish" words, along with racial, sexual, and orientation-based slurs. With the Tribunal down, it's not unreasonable to assume that these words are considered "Extreme Toxicity," again along with racial, sexual, and orientation-based slurs. Especially when considering that Riot has stated repeatedly that they would be more strict than the Tribunal was (and have shown as much, punishing things that many Tribunal participants may not have).

Third - When combined with a quick glance over the posts you mention, it appears as though this comment:

For what a constructive comment looks like see The AFK Farmer's comment and for the complete opposite see anything posted by Roman MVP.

is requesting only "yes-men" answers. Which seems contrary to your desire for discussion. It's not that I don't agree with you, here (see point 2), but comments like that make you look bad.

SmittyFromAbove1 votes

Some thoughts:

First - Your wall of text is difficult to read, as it tends to blur together. Formatting it some to break it up would indicate respect for your reader, and I'd highly recommend it.

Second - When the Tribunal was active, the words "retard" and "autistic" were often considered to be "auto-punish" words, along with racial, sexual, and orientation-based slurs. With the Tribunal down, it's not unreasonable to assume that these words are considered "Extreme Toxicity," again along with racial, sexual, and orientation-based slurs. Especially when considering that Riot has stated repeatedly that they would be more strict than the Tribunal was (and have shown as much, punishing things that many Tribunal participants may not have).

Third - When combined with a quick glance over the posts you mention, it appears as though this comment:

For what a constructive comment looks like see The AFK Farmer's comment and for the complete opposite see anything posted by Roman MVP.

is requesting only "yes-men" answers. Which seems contrary to your desire for discussion. It's not that I don't agree with you, here (see point 2), but comments like that make you look bad.

thanks for the suggestions and no I am not looking for "yes-men" answers, Im not looking for any answers at all, I am however looking to hear peoples comments on the situation that can lead something along the lines of a solution, not someone who is just going to go oh well its a problem we cant do anything. If you feel this way then you don't need to comment, simple as that. Im looking for some people who feel like one day we could have some kind of system in place where this wouldn't be acceptable or as easily tolerated by the community at large.

Surakai1 votes

in what other creative way are we going to insult inferior people?

SmittyFromAbove1 votes

in what other creative way are we going to insult inferior people?

I dont know if you disagree with someone try talking to them about their specific problems or the things that are bugging you. If someone is being a bad jungle calling them autistic isnt going to make them a god jungle all of a sudden. Try saying listen I can see that your struggling, why dont you try this? Something along the lines of this can make a big difference in not only the attitude of the person but you may actually help them improve as a player.

Surakai1 votes

and sorry to tell you but statistically speaking some races are clearly better than others.

equality isn't free, you have to work for it.

Surakai1 votes

you are aware that everyone is ignorant (including you) when it comes to a lot of things too, right?

btw, ignorance is bliss.

Surakai1 votes

its a form of discrimination used by unintelligent, ignorant, toxic idiots.

as an ignorant person, do you take offense to your own comment?

btw, how do you think stupid people feel when you run around spitting out words like "unintelligent" and "idiot"?

SmittyFromAbove1 votes

its a form of discrimination used by unintelligent, ignorant, toxic idiots.

as an ignorant person, do you take offense to your own comment?

btw, how do you think stupid people feel when you run around spitting our words like "unintelligent" and "idiot"?

Its true not everyone is enlightened about every fact, but the difference between a moron and intelligence is not running around spouting off your mouth on things your ignorant about. And if someone feels inferior because they aren't smart enough for something they can learn and better themselves.

Schwifty Ninja1 votes

i feel like, if calling someone a name, calling someone toxic is also horribly bad as racism

Superninja991 votes

ill be honest if riot just fixed there broken game pepople wouldnt get tilted but riot consistanly nerfs things that shouldnt be and buffs things that should not be buffed the problem with riot is they do not simply nerf a champion the nerf a item that that champion builds and that most of the time indirectly nerfs like 10 other champions that were just fine like i seriously dont understand why riot nerfed adc so far into the ground when adc roll was not broken if a 1200 squishy does damage i am fine with that it is when the 4k health 200 Armour 200 magic resist poppy runs down the lane killing everything bc it doesnt die this isnt league of legends this is league of tanks until someone at riot decides to nerf something toxic players in this game are 95% riots fault because when you consistantly have broken champs and they get abused game after game after game it isnt fun it is not fun to get a Veigar q to the face and instanly die when he isnt fed simply this game isnt as fun as it used to be bc riot doesnt want to fix there game ever and the never will

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