Cho gath mains be like

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those are QOL buffs

The casting range and casting speed maybe, but the cooldown rework is a pretty massive buff. It's 2 full minutes sooner that you're dealing with a max stack chogath.

Whether it's QOL or not, it's still a decent change in power. I love Cho and don't really get why he has so much hate, but I definitely would say that QOL change increases power, the range at least certainly does.

Garen is just a pathetic version of darius... All he got that darius doesnt is that melee range silence, that is quite inferior to the things darius got...

Garen would actually make a good bruiser if his E applied on-hit effects. I mean, realistically E replaces Garen's use of auto-attacks for the most part which immediately rules out getting a Hydra or BT which would, hypothetically, be pretty damn good on him IF E APPLIED ON-HITS.

Are you silly?

Garen is a very durable fighter that has very strong ratios and base damage. He has plenty of utility for what he is, such as a silence and one of the most efficient ways to apply Black Cleaver stacks on an entire team.

Cho'Gath and Garen are two different champions. Spouting the best parts of Cho'Gath's kit while ignoring the power of Garen's doesn't make him more powerful.

In rebuttal to your comparison,

Compare Cho'Gath to Garen, who has the strongest potential sustain in the game, a 35% MS steroid, 20% bonus AR/MR with 30% damage/crowd control reduction, an AOE spin with a whopping 210-300% AD ratio, and one of the most reliable executes in the game.

Did I mention he is completely resourceless?

You're writing from a place of no knowledge if you think Cho'Gath completely outclasses Garen. You're an idiot. You should study a bit more.

Your loss dude. If you look at Garen's kit and can't find immense potential, then you're hopeless as a League player.

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It's not about being good or bad with Garen, he's just a bad champion. His kit doesn't make any sense, he's a tank without any innate damage or any utility, but for some reason he has an execute which is actually one of the worst executes in the game. He also has no gapcloser, so if you actually do try to build him as an assassin to work with his ulti he'll get nuked before he gets in range. He honestly just needs a rework at this point.

Compare him to Cho'gath, who has an AOE knockup slow, a true damage nuke, an AOE 2.5 second silence and a massive hitbox to soak up skillshots.

You're right... these days.

it wasn't always like that... Garen used to be among the best champions. Long story short he was great when released, got nerfed later in season 1, got ignored and was "meh" in season 2, got reworked a bit and a VU in season 3(unlike Sion it actually NERFED HIM...), The power/mobility creep in season 3 forward was really starting to ruin him, and has been buffed since season 4 onward... yet he remains to this day pretty bad. Almost every single item change, and addition has also hurt Garen, in some way or another(well until the recent cleaver changes).

I mean what do you expect when they start putting % damage on everything completely invalidating his kit, and its limitations? Not to mention they based other champions identities and abilities like Wukong and Darius off of Garen, further out-dating his kit.

Ugh Riot needs to work on him so he can actually fulfill his job as a immobile Tanky DPS champion. Because he largely has only fulfilled the tank part since season 1(His damage gets more irrelevant with every patch).