I have reason to believe that a Riot employee is abusing the Tribunal system

OblviousWatchman··1 votes·883 views

Hello. Here is the story in a nut shell. I just played a ranked solo queue. I was second or third in pick order and called adc. There were no objections in chat as my team was wanting to experiment with a global pressure team comp (shen with tp top, kass with tp mid, and me as tf bot adc). The player that was last pick instalock ashe. Never said a word as I reminded him multiple times after i locked in that I was adc and we needed a support.

So I am totally TROLLED. This ashe player never said a word even after I asked him not to take my cs as tf is useless without it. Ignored. This player took all cs or most of it, and when anything was being engaged on, this player would always just run back to tower and sit there. not moving. not helping. nothing.

Again... TROLLED. It is at this point the tilt begins. At the end of the match our jgler leesin and mid kassidin were VERY verbally abusive towards me and expected me to be a doublelift with 22 cs. They knew I was trolled. Even the enemy team agreed to report the Ashe player. Needless to say I was reported for going on tilt.

BUT! Within 45-60 SECONDS after I left the lobby I was SUSPENDED for 14days. I checked my email and found out that not only did my (and ONLY my) chat messages in game make it to the tribunal, BUT the case had ALREADY been processed and I received a suspension. IN 45 SECONDS! This leads me to believe that one of the player on my team (im assuming the ashe player or the leesin player) is actually a Riot employee or someone that has access to the Tribunal's admin rights to finalize a case. I can and will provide the names of the players in this game. Thought no players had "Riot" in fron of their names, I would not doubt it that it was on a smurf account or an unnamed Riot account. I find this absolutely ridiculous that I receive a suspension in this manner as this is the FIRST suspension that my account has ever received to my knowledge and for something as uncontrollable as me getting trolled then blamed for the inevitable loss.

Riot has my email so if you would like a list of names (which im sure you can get easily as it was my last game) then feel free to drop me an email. Thank you for your time

18 Comments

Deep Terror Nami4 votes

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The Tribunal is entirely down right now. Reports are verified and punishments handled by an automatic system. It is specifically designed to work that fast. You can find information about punishments and the reform system on the LoL support pages.

SmokedAlmonds1 votes

This is the newish instant punishment system. The tribunal is down(although im curious about the emails they send out refering to the the tribunal, do they just call all the punishment systems? and the player voting part that we call the tribunal is really just a misgnomer?). If you get reported enough in a single game it will trigger an automated scan of your chat and if its deemed punishable punishments will be handed out immediately(within 15 minutes, usually closer to instant it seems like).

OblviousWatchman1 votes

Well even if I was a little excessive with my "tilt" I should NOT receive a suspension. Maybe x amount of games without being able to talk. My brother has a rage problem and he has received 100 games chat restrictions before. This would be more appropriate then a suspension on a game and outcome I genuinely had zero control of due to being trolled. And an instant ban system is absurd as people can group together to just ban player after player... i.e. teambuilder party of 4 set to ban someone. I am requesting that Riot look into this and make reasonable decision.

SmokedAlmonds2 votes

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Well even if I was a little excessive with my "tilt" I should NOT receive a suspension. Maybe x amount of games without being able to talk. My brother has a rage problem and he has received 100 games chat restrictions before. This would be more appropriate then a suspension on a game and outcome I genuinely had zero control of due to being trolled. And an instant ban system is absurd as people can group together to just ban player after player... i.e. teambuilder party of 4 set to ban someone. I am requesting that Riot look into this and make reasonable decision.

Punishments are not issued just because people report someone. The only power reports have is to trigger reviews of peoples account.

You might not have had control over a troll being in your game, but you do have control over what you do in response to them.

OblviousWatchman1 votes

While I may have control over my response, it is still not grounds enough for suspension just due to tilt. Verbal reports should result in verbal related punishments like chat restrictions. not suspension especially being its my first offense and I have been playing this game for years. And if punishments are not issued based on just reports then obviously a Riot employee must have reviewed my account within that 45 seconds after the game completed because it was instantly reviewed in tribunal according to email and punished me with suspension

SmokedAlmonds1 votes

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While I may have control over my response, it is still not grounds enough for suspension just due to tilt. Verbal reports should result in verbal related punishments like chat restrictions. not suspension especially being its my first offense and I have been playing this game for years. And if punishments are not issued based on just reports then obviously a Riot employee must have reviewed my account within that 45 seconds after the game completed because it was instantly reviewed in tribunal according to email and punished me with suspension

It was reviewed by an automated system, which is why it was instant.

Chat restrictions are generally for people who have frequent minor infractions.

Would you mind posting your chat logs?

OblviousWatchman1 votes

Well I only received a verbal abuse report, which is fine, but that should only result in chat restrictions. So I would assume that the automated system would catch that type of report and punish accordingly. The fact that I got suspension off one game makes no sense as my records can indicate I am not an intentional feeder, and I am not consistently verbally abusive. If my records showed that I feed every game then yes, I'd agree with the punishment, suspend away, but for one verbal offense, this is extreme and that is why I am requesting Riot to review my case.

SmokedAlmonds1 votes

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Well I only received a verbal abuse report, which is fine, but that should only result in chat restrictions. So I would assume that the automated system would catch that type of report and punish accordingly. The fact that I got suspension off one game makes no sense as my records can indicate I am not an intentional feeder, and I am not consistently verbally abusive. If my records showed that I feed every game then yes, I'd agree with the punishment, suspend away, but for one verbal offense, this is extreme and that is why I am requesting Riot to review my case.

If you want riot to look at your case then you need to submit a support ticket or if you post your chat logs here I can probably save you a lot of time since most of the time its pretty obvious and support will likely take several days.

Punishments are rarely for single games even though it seems like it sometimes. The logs you get emailed are an example of what got you banned, not necessarily everything you have ever done. That game was most likely just the final straw.

OblviousWatchman1 votes

I have submitted a report and awaiting response, and I am rarely reported for anything to be honest so I doubt it is a final straw instances. Because again I have seen people reported EVERY game for verbal (like my little brother) and punishments have gone to 100 game chat restrictions where as I have never had anything more than maybe a 7 game restriction or so. That is my main doubt on whether or no it was the final straw, because there was hardly any straw to begin with lol

Strat1 votes

You may have triggered intentional feeder detection because of your high number of deaths and extremely low CS. I mean, come on, even with a troll Ashe it's hard to believe you weren't intentionally playing badly if you only had 49 CS in a 25 minute game. That's about 1 CS per minion wave since minons spawned. Even supports get more CS than that in a game of that length.

OblviousWatchman1 votes

Ok Strat, since you know so much about ashe apparently, how often does she crit? well after attacking once she always crits, making it hard to last hit minions if she can crit them away. Oh and here is another good one for you, what is tf's base attack dmg stats? I bet you it doesnt compare to ashe, and being camped all game but of course I couldnt cs, my csing was off GOLEMS lol thats how little I could get in lane.

OblviousWatchman1 votes

Ok Strat, since you know so much about ashe apparently, how often does she crit? well after attacking once she always crits, making it hard to last hit minions if she can crit them away. Oh and here is another good one for you, what is tf's base attack dmg stats? I bet you it doesnt compare to ashe, and being camped all game but of course I couldnt cs, my csing was off GOLEMS lol thats how little I could get in lane.

EDIT: Not to mention that my records can clearly indecate that I am not an intentional feeding player. One game I may have a little higher deaths than others, but my overall stats from game to game would show I am a regular player. A verbal offense should only result in a verbal related punishment. (which is what my problem was)

Even my brother gets automated verbal punishments as he has the tendency to rage. 100 game chat restriction was the latest. And with this being my first time to tribunal I feel it is only appropriate that my suspension be lifted and a chat restriction is put in place as it is reasonable. My stats on a day to day basis show no tendency of intentionally feeding.

Strat1 votes

TF's base damage is higher than Ashe's, but only a tiny bit. Ashe only crits for 10% extra damage in the early game. Yes, that can make a difference, but not enough for you to get only 1 minion per wave. I mean, you could draw a blue card 4-5 times per minion wave, Ashe can't out-lasthit a blue card, not easily at least. She needs level 3 volley to do more damage than level 1 blue card.

Not to mention that my records can clearly indecate that I am not an intentional feeding player

I wasn't saying you did intentionally feed, I was just saying that Riot's system may have detected you as one in that game.

Dissith Bullets1 votes

Seems like you're the troll, trying to force someone to play something they don't want to. Ever heard of a kill lane? Best man gets the gold.

OblviousWatchman

I am not the troll kid, If this player who was last pick talked AT ALL and said they wanted adc I would have gladly supported, check my stats kid, I main support. But I am also not going to leave a very responsible role with someone who doesnt talk and say if they are good at adc or not. Why gamble. And yes I agree kill lane is PERFECTLY fine BUT this player did NOTHING but cs. would cs and then go back to tower and stand still. thats it. Never said a word. Never really helped if myself and our jglr went in, or got counter ganked. just sat at tower.

Dissith Bullets2 votes

At least he wasn't toxic like you, kid.

OblviousWatchman1 votes

What do you blame for toxicity? the act thereof or the root cause of toxicity that can be seen in most games?

Matthias91191 votes

BUT! Within 45-60 SECONDS after I left the lobby I was SUSPENDED for 14days. I checked my email and found out that not only did my (and ONLY my) chat messages in game make it to the tribunal, BUT the case had ALREADY been processed and I received a suspension. IN 45 SECONDS!

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/05/21/league-of-legends-is-testing-out-a-new-automated-banning-system-for-abusive-players

No conspiracy, they have automated systems that hand out bans very quickly when you go over the line.

From what I've seen of people whining about it on the forums, they send you only your chat, and only from the "straw that broke the camel's back" game. That does not mean that you were banned solely on the basis of that one game, or that there were no other recent games where you behaved badly.

If you want more information about your ban you'll need to open a ticket with Support (which it sounds like you already did based on some of the other replies here) and be patient.

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