im trying to promote to silver V and every match I am playing against silver 4 and silver 3 players.
what kind of sense does that make? i have to be able to beat silver 4 to become silver 5? shouldn't i just have to show i can beat bronze 1?
Ice Weasel X5 votes[{quoted}](name=Amazing Grandma,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=vQFkRgQK,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-05-05T07:19:36.421+0000)
im trying to promote to silver V and every match I am playing against silver 4 and silver 3 players.
what kind of sense does that make? i have to be able to beat silver 4 to become silver 5? shouldn't i just have to show i can beat bronze 1?
No, you're not proving that you can beat Bronze I. You're proving that you can beat people slightly higher than your current MMR (and your MMR may actually be closer than you think to those higher players).
The system doesn't ask you to prove that you can beat just Bronze I to move up. If it did, then beating everyone in Bronze would still mean nothing. You might just be the top Bronze person. That's why it ignores divisions and matches you based upon MMR.
Amazing Grandma1 votesso if a diamond and a bronze V both somehow got into bronze I promotionals they would have an equal chance of promoting to silver V? sounds good.
Godhri4 votesYou're using an extreme example that would never happen in reality. All you did was make yourself seem like someone who is just mad that he lost to silvers and is still in bronze. Don't forget that MMR helps to make things even so that you can play against people who appear to be of the same level of skill as you even if they are higher ranked.
Ranking means nothing when it comes to the ability of the player.
Amazing Grandma1 votesthat is my question. why does rank mean nothing? shouldn't rank just be based on mmr? the ranking system is ridiculous
PerishSoftly1 votesBecause they need a way to bring in more games so people buy stuff in hopes to get to Gold V for that sweet Victorious skin each year.
Godhri4 votesRank doesn't mean nothing. I said rank means nothing WHEN it comes to the ability of the player. Therefore, rank is not a function of player skill but rather of a player's achievements. It merely shows what the player has managed to achieve. MMR is what they use to measure a players skill.
People keep mistaking rank for a measure of someone's ability to play the game and this is why you see so many complaints. It really isn't. Unfortunately, this is further confused by the fact that many people like to smurf.
þang3 votesDon't say never. I queued with someone who was challenger last season and I'm only gold 5 this season, was silver 5 last season. MMR is really unbalanced, I think they have a valid point.
Ice Weasel X5 votes[{quoted}](name=Amazing Grandma,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=vQFkRgQK,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-05-05T07:39:12.016+0000)
so if a diamond and a bronze V both somehow got into bronze I promotionals they would have an equal chance of promoting to silver V? sounds good.
A Diamond would never have the opportunity to be in a solo queue ranked game that low. If your MMR drops to a level appropriate for a full tier below you, your tier is going to drop.
If you're hitting your promos from Bronze to Silver, that means your MMR has been rising (if your MMR is lower than appropriate, you'll lose more LP for losses than you gain from wins). You're likely already in Silver MMR at the point that you hit your promos. Your team's average MMR and your opponents' average MMR can be almost identical and place you against a mix of Bronze and high Silvers.
ElysMustache1 votesThe difference in the ratings between two players serves as a predictor of the outcome of a match. Two players with equal ratings who play against each other are expected to score an equal number of wins. A player whose rating is 100 points greater than their opponent's is expected to score 64%; if the difference is 200 points, then the expected score for the stronger player is 76%.[2]
A player's Elo rating is represented by a number which increases or decreases based upon the outcome of games between rated players. After every game, the winning player takes points from the losing one. The difference between the ratings of the winner and loser determines the total number of points gained or lost after a game. In a series of games between a high-rated player and a low-rated player, the high-rated player is expected to score more wins. If the high-rated player wins, then only a few rating points will be taken from the low-rated player. However, if the lower rated player scores an upset win, many rating points will be transferred. The lower rated player will also gain a few points from the higher rated player in the event of a draw. This means that this rating system is self-correcting. A player whose rating is too low should, in the long run, do better than the rating system predicts, and thus gain rating points until the rating reflects their true playing strength.
Source: Wikipedia "Elo rating system"
Amazing Grandma1 votesfinal game of my promos trying to get to silver V and I have to play against a silver I jungler and gold V top.
seems very wrong to me that I have to beat gold 5 to get silver 5.
Ice Weasel X1 votes[{quoted}](name=Amazing Grandma,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=vQFkRgQK,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-05-16T16:15:26.416+0000)
final game of my promos trying to get to silver V and I have to play against a silver I jungler and gold V top.
seems very wrong to me that I have to beat gold 5 to get silver 5.
You're not listening.
Your MMR is higher than your rank. This is why you were at your promos. That Gold V's MMR was lower than his rank. He's actually at risk of being dropped to Silver. The match was basically Silver MMR players (including you) against Silver MMR players (including the Gold player). You could've theoretically gotten a game against a Gold I who duo queued with a Silver V, but that didn't happen. You played against a Gold V whose stats show he is not a Gold caliber player.
Amazing Grandma1 votesthe system makes no sense. if they are doing my MMR correctly no matter how good or bad I get the games will basically be a coin flip correct? so to promote I have to win 3 out of 5 coinflips. dumb.
wouldn't it make more sense to let you play players of the MMR for the rank you are trying to achieve? let me play silver 5 players and win 3 of 5 games to get to silver 5.
SmokedAlmonds1 votes[{quoted}](name=Amazing Grandma,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=vQFkRgQK,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2015-05-16T17:34:37.431+0000)
the system makes no sense. if they are doing my MMR correctly no matter how good or bad I get the games will basically be a coin flip correct? so to promote I have to win 3 out of 5 coinflips. dumb.
wouldn't it make more sense to let you play players of the MMR for the rank you are trying to achieve? let me play silver 5 players and win 3 of 5 games to get to silver 5.
Theres no way to do that without purposefully tilting games. This disparity exists basically because grinding is a part of the system.
Astronomity1 votesI'm Bronze 3 in promos, and I'm playing vs anywhere from Bronze 3-1 and not below. This actually makes me feel like I'm progressing, and that if I know that I have that sort of MMR, I'll hit that rank soon enough.
