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banning "trolls" and not "flamers"

go away baiting··2 votes·956 views

dear riot,

i play league a lot - since season 1. I stopped playing for quite a while because i got so frustrated with the people i get in my teams way too often. I consider myself to be a team oriented player - i enjoy playing supportive roles (tank/ support) i ward , i keep track of objectives, i communicate bot in chat and via smart ping and i am confident i could very well play in lower to mid plat - though im climbing and dropping constantly in gold 4 to 2. Yes i got several chat and ranked restictions due to "flaming" - pointing our mistakes for the most part. Yes i get quite emotional when i see people contantly overextending and never learning from their mistakes refuse to ward etc. at least use your trinkets !!.

But even more mad do i get when people refuse to do their job. just had another game with a guy that went "mid" in champ select and then lastpicked nida as support because he did not get what he wanted. Nida is probably the worst support out there - she is no support - and of course the guy did not buy a sightstone, went full ap lost the lane significantly and overall brought nothing to the team. i do NOT care if ppl trashtalk or are offensive i can and will mute those people. but in a ranked game you play with 4 other people and i find it egoistic and unacceptable to refuse to do your job. Unfortunately i dont think these people get punished enough or fast enough. DO NOT BAN PEOPLE FOR RAGING BANN PEOPLE THAT CAUSE RAGE. Make reports available during champ select, impelent a kick system in champ select. and make the tribunal more transparent. if i report someone i have my reasons and will always write in detail what happend. i know this topic is not new and probably boring everyone but it makes the game more and more frustrating. Also pls do not allow someone to bring his silver 3 premade into a gold 4 ranked game.

there is so much going wrong atm and you know it pls spend more time and money into these issues rather than new skins and such.

  • premades cant be more then 2 divisions apart from each other - maaaaaybe 3 (dont allow silver 3 premades to join gold 4 games) idc about team mmr just dont
  • kick voting in champ select
  • require reports to have at least 100 characters of description to be meaningful (check if its actually words ofc)
  • punish "refusing to communicate with team" more than offensive language - hell idc i can mute these people
  • dont match me with people i added to my ignore list. PLEASE
  • intruduce report sheets ( if a player gets reported other teammates will see what has been written and can add their own text) and agree or disagree with the report making it count more or less
  • if a player gets 9 reports in one game its an instant ban
  • if a player is reported by only one person / 2 for premades it is void or very low rated
  • force the support role to buy a sightstone as their 3rd item
  • give us a 4th champion ban alrdy pls
  • give "loss forgiven" more constantly if a player NEVER connects to the game - does not do a single imput. this should be easily traceable
  • maybe add a visible checklist in champ select (carry / poke / engage / peel / heal / tank / support / ap / ad ) or something similar to give people that dont know better an idea of what the team might need or what the strenght of the teamcomp is - i think there really is a need for this in low elo - which gold surely is.

-OR do not punish me for leaving a ranked game in champ select !!

maybe promote skill-capped.com in the lol client ?

  • give us something to spend our IP on. PLEASE comon you can give us the ward skins for ip at least ? temporarily ? maybe? pretty please?
  • consider kda for the amount of lost elo (treat tanks / support diferently than hyper carries ofc)

long story short please think of something that will make the game enjoyable again and make elo loss due to toxic behaviour less frequent rework the bann system.

p.s. please make zileans bombs an instantcast (dont make me stop for throwing them) and change the sound - it sounds like a firecracker in a tin can

thanks

6 Comments

SEKAI4 votes

Please do not enforce meta and promote team bully mentality, thanks.

go away baiting1 votes

i dont think a sightstone is "meta" its kinda mandatory. If u dont get it as support you put your team at a huge disadvantage

Jubbinaut2 votes

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there is so much going wrong atm and you know it pls spend more time and money into these issues rather than new skins and such.

Can you perhaps explain this argument to me? I've never really understood it. It's not like all of Riot focuses on one thing at a time - there are separate teams dealing with separate things. And not all of them are really qualified to work on everything else - for example, what use would a concept artist be in developing Player Behavior systems?

  • premades cant be more then 2 divisions apart from each other - maaaaaybe 3 (dont allow silver 3 premades to join gold 4 games) idc about team mmr just dont

Is it that big a deal? I don't play Ranked, so I genuinely don't know how much of a difference that could make.

  • kick voting in champ select

Because we need another reason for people to start their toxicity early?

  • require reports to have at least 100 characters of description to be meaningful (check if its actually words ofc)

Because we don't want people actually using the systems we've implemented for them to use?

  • punish "refusing to communicate with team" more than offensive language - hell idc i can mute these people

Maybe. I mean, I can kinda see what you're getting at with it. But it's not going to happen. As of now, Refusing to Communicate isn't a punishable report at all.

  • dont match me with people i added to my ignore list. PLEASE

That strikes me as a terrible idea - the only times it's likely to matter, you either have control enough to avoid the other player, or it would play havoc with matchmaking.

  • intruduce report sheets ( if a player gets reported other teammates will see what has been written and can add their own text) and agree or disagree with the report making it count more or less

Eh... it might be helpful, but I don't think it would be used much - extremely low value for the developmental effort.

  • if a player gets 9 reports in one game its an instant ban

  • if a player is reported by only one person / 2 for premades it is void or very low rated

I don't think giving solo players less of a voice and premades more of a voice is a good thing.

  • force the support role to buy a sightstone as their 3rd item

Enforce an arbitrary meta? Seems like a bad idea to me.

  • give us a 4th champion ban alrdy pls

This I could get behind, though it's not something I feel particularly strongly about.

  • give "loss forgiven" more constantly if a player NEVER connects to the game - does not do a single imput. this should be easily traceable

Loss Forgiven is used only when Riot's servers are acting up. However, Lyte's been talking about simply cancelling matches if a player doesn't connect within a certain amount of time. Which amounts to more-or-less what you're wanting here.

  • maybe add a visible checklist in champ select (carry / poke / engage / peel / heal / tank / support / ap / ad ) or something similar to give people that dont know better an idea of what the team might need or what the strenght of the teamcomp is - i think there really is a need for this in low elo - which gold surely is.

That would be pretty neat. I like it.

  • consider kda for the amount of lost elo (treat tanks / support diferently than hyper carries ofc)

I really don't think that's workable. It would warp the way the game's played, as well as the intent of the game. Not to mention limiting or removing certain potential strategies.

EDIT: I almost forgot what I clicked this thread for.

Regarding your title: why not both?

go away baiting1 votes

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Can you perhaps explain this argument to me? I've never really understood it. It's not like all of Riot focuses on one thing at a time - there are separate teams dealing with separate things. And not all of them are really qualified to work on everything else - for example, what use would a concept artist be in developing Player Behavior systems? ? obvioulsy not a concept artist is needed here but time and money has to be invested

Is it that big a deal? I don't play Ranked, so I genuinely don't know how much of a difference that could make.

Because we need another reason for people to start their toxicity early? no because we need a way to punish early toxicity and not get punished ourselfes for leaving a ranked champ select

Because we don't want people actually using the systems we've implemented for them to use? are you saying riot doe snot give a fuck ?

Maybe. I mean, I can kinda see what you're getting at with it. But it's not going to happen. As of now, Refusing to Communicate isn't a punishable report at all. refusing to buy a sightstone is refusing to communicate or work witht the team and yes that is punishable to me. not talking about chat use here

That strikes me as a terrible idea - the only times it's likely to matter, you either have control enough to avoid the other player, or it would play havoc with matchmaking. kinda true

Eh... it might be helpful, but I don't think it would be used much - extremely low value for the developmental effort. well riot has to do something

I don't think giving solo players less of a voice and premades more of a voice is a good thing. read again what i wrote

Enforce an arbitrary meta? Seems like a bad idea to me. sightstone on support is not "meta" its mandatory

This I could get behind, though it's not something I feel particularly strongly about.

Loss Forgiven is used only when Riot's servers are acting up. However, Lyte's been talking about simply cancelling matches if a player doesn't connect within a certain amount of time. Which amounts to more-or-less what you're wanting here. should be done long ago

That would be pretty neat. I like it.

I really don't think that's workable. It would warp the way the game's played, as well as the intent of the game. Not to mention limiting or removing certain potential strategies. probably the least likely to happen and the most hardest to get right i agree

EDIT: I almost forgot what I clicked this thread for. anyway thanks for reading and commenting

Regarding your title: why not both? because there is a mute button. dont get me wrong i would love to have friendly and respectful games all the time but you know that the internet has a certain aquired a certain tone over the years - sadly. But honestly i care far less about an idiot trashtalking than someone trying to ruin my game. I had countless people follow me around in the jungle trying to steal my camps to piss me off just becasue i said that they should ward more buy a sightstone at all or dont go into theri jungle an their own after they died 4 times etc. you get the picture

Jubbinaut1 votes

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? obvioulsy not a concept artist is needed here but time and money has to be invested

Well, yeah, obviously. But in terms of development, those are both just ways of saying "manpower". So... what would the artists be doing if they aren't needed? Getting paid to twiddle their thumbs?

no because we need a way to punish early toxicity and not get punished ourselfes for leaving a ranked champ select

Perhaps, but the most likely result of this is simply increasing early game toxicity as players try to use the pre-game reports to bully others into doing what they want. Rather than acting to remove toxicity, it would likely encourage more of it.

are you saying riot doe snot give a fuck ?

I'm saying that the greater the entry requirement for using a system, the fewer people will actually use it. When you put a requirement on it like that, every single report will come with the question "Was this worth even more of my time?"

And the thing is, since you can't report until after the game, most of the time that answer will be "No." Which means that the system will be used rarely at best. Which means people won't be getting punished for... well... much of anything, really.

refusing to buy a sightstone is refusing to communicate or work witht the team and yes that is punishable to me. not talking about chat use here

Not buying a sightstone has nothing to do with communication at all.

well riot has to do something

Report weight is already a thing. It's based pretty strictly on the previous accuracy of reports from a particular account. I don't see what other benefit a system that allows players to compare their reports would offer - except removing more voice from solo players.

read again what i wrote

No need. I've read the arguments before. And the exact reason that the system doesn't care how many reports a player receives in a particular match is to ensure that solo players have the same voice as groups of players.

sightstone on support is not "meta" its mandatory

The non-farming Support role itself is part of the larger meta. I don't disagree that having a sightstone on the team is hugely important - that's pretty self-evident. I do, however, disagree that one particular arbitrarily-defined player should be forced to buy it.

should be done long ago

Maybe, maybe not. Point is, it's something they're looking at.

because there is a mute button. dont get me wrong i would love to have friendly and respectful games all the time but you know that the internet has a certain aquired a certain tone over the years - sadly. But honestly i care far less about an idiot trashtalking than someone trying to ruin my game. I had countless people follow me around in the jungle trying to steal my camps to piss me off just becasue i said that they should ward more buy a sightstone at all or dont go into theri jungle an their own after they died 4 times etc. you get the picture

Sure. No one's saying those behaviors shouldn't be punishable (well... poor play shouldn't, because it has its own "punishment" already). But why should one be punishable and the other not?

Right now, both are - though they're handled somewhat differently at the moment, due to different systems in place for each.

Meme Orgy1 votes

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