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Tribunal, Bans, and Toxicity

Loup Noir··5 votes·1,116 views

I realize that there have been many posts on the Tribunal and the out of control toxicity in this game. However, as far as I can tell Riot has yet to give us a good finite answer to these concerns. Quite frankly, I am sick of reporting players every other game for going AFK or being abusive in chat or just ruining the overall experience. My last game, for example, my teammate refused to lane against someone and threatened to "AFK" as if it was no big deal and then did just that when they died. I asked for a report and my teammate just lectured me on the inefficiency of the reporting system. I argued with him of course and it got to the point where we weren't even playing the game anymore and even if we had we would have been too frustrated to play well. After the game was over I realized something though... he was right. If I need to be reporting members of my team every other game for this kind of behavior or if someone who is clearly a toxic player can still threaten AFK like its no big deal, then Riot is not doing the job they claim to be. Our community is still full to the brim with this crap and after reading the posts other players have made, I know I am not the only one who is sick of it. I love this game. I have been playing it for years. I play at least everyday and spend money on skins, I have never been banned, I have never even had a warning. Have I raged once or twice?? Certainly, who hasn't? But I have never intentionally broken the code or ruined my teammates games and I think that it is time that Riot recognize the good players from the bad. Why should players like me have to suffer the crap when, for the most part, we bring a fun experience to the game? What is Riot doing to not only stem the tide of toxic players but make players who are reputable, good sportsmen, feel appreciated and valued? It's insulting that a toxic player can threaten to AFK with no concern for the consequences. It's insulting that my gaming experience can be ruined every other game and nothing gets done about it.

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Jubbinaut2 votes

Some thoughts:

[{quoted}](name=Loup Noir,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=t9WlKyHV,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-08-12T23:43:15.568+0000)

Quite frankly, I am sick of reporting players every other game for going AFK or being abusive in chat or just ruining the overall experience.

I think it's important to remember that this is not the average experience. The average player issues a report in something like 1 out of every 20 games.

That's not to invalidate your experiences. You're an outlier, is all.

My last game, for example, my teammate refused to lane against someone and threatened to "AFK" as if it was no big deal and then did just that when they died. I asked for a report and my teammate just lectured me on the inefficiency of the reporting system.

Two things, here:

First, there's no need to report afks, because there's an automated system to address them. You're more than welcome to if you wish, but it's unnecessary. Leaverbuster is clever.

Second, calling for reports is unnecessary. The system is designed so that it builds cases based on the number of reported games rather than the number of raw reports. This was done explicitly to prevent pre-made groups having more power than a single player.

If I need to be reporting members of my team every other game for this kind of behavior or if someone who is clearly a toxic player can still threaten AFK like its no big deal, then Riot is not doing the job they claim to be.

A little math for you: if only 5% of the playerbase is toxic, you will - on average - run into a toxic player every other game.

That's assuming that no neutral or positive players are ever toxic with you, of course - which is a poor assumption, since those positive players (which make up about 78% of the community) account for 77% of all toxicity seen.

But I have never intentionally broken the code or ruined my teammates games and I think that it is time that Riot recognize the good players from the bad.

Did you miss the Rewards for Positive Players program that they started at the end of Season 4?

It's insulting that a toxic player can threaten to AFK with no concern for the consequences.

Nothing Riot does can make them care about the consequences. All Riot can do is impose those consequences - how the player in question feels about it is entirely up to them.

Loup Noir1 votes

First, there's no need to report afks, because there's an automated system to address them. You're more than welcome to if you wish, but it's unnecessary. Leaverbuster is clever.

Second, calling for reports is unnecessary. The system is designed so that it builds cases based on the number of reported games rather than the number of raw reports. This was done explicitly to prevent pre-made groups having more power than a single player.

While that works for people who quit the game, the majority of AFK's I experience do not actually leave they just sit at base and wait. So the leaverbuster doesn't even register. Just cause they are toxic doesn't mena they aren't smart...

As for calling for reports, I don't call for a report becase I feel it is "necessary" I call for a report because it is a "threat" of sorts to make the person shape up. I have found mild success from time to time in threatening a report to make a toxic player cease behavior but this is a gamble as it only rarely works.

_ Did you miss the Rewards for Positive Players program that they started at the end of Season 4?_

Not only do I not remember the rewards, but I doubt they were sufficient enough to say, "Thank you for your time, money, and good behavior"

Nothing Riot does can make them care about the consequences. All Riot can do is impose those consequences - how the player in question feels about it is entirely up to them.

Don't you think this response is slightly didactic?? Fact is, if the players aren't afraid of punishment, it has little to do with how they feel or they interpret authority and more to do with the fact that the punishment is not something they fear, or rather, not severe enough.

Jubbinaut1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Loup Noir,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=t9WlKyHV,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-08-13T00:24:51.873+0000)

While that works for people who quit the game, the majority of AFK's I experience do not actually leave they just sit at base and wait. So the leaverbuster doesn't even register. Just cause they are toxic doesn't mena they aren't smart...

Which is why the system is fully capable of recognizing that. Or do you really think that a team of fairly intelligent people wouldn't have considered that possibility? They've explicitly stated that Leaverbuster is capable of recognizing "non-Leaver afks" of various sorts.

As for calling for reports, I don't call for a report becase I feel it is "necessary" I call for a report because it is a "threat" of sorts to make the person shape up. I have found mild success from time to time in threatening a report to make a toxic player cease behavior but this is a gamble as it only rarely works.

This rationale is why calling for reports is considered both reportable and potentially punishable. It's fairly mild as toxicity goes, but it's still toxic.

Not only do I not remember the rewards, but I doubt they were sufficient enough to say, "Thank you for your time, money, and good behavior"

So far - based on memory alone - they've given a skin (Riot Kayle), a Mystery Champion, a Mystery Skin, and a series of 4-win IP boosts. If that's not sufficient for you, well... see below.

Don't you think this response is slightly didactic?? Fact is, if the players aren't afraid of punishment, it has little to do with how they feel or they interpret authority and more to do with the fact that the punishment is not something they fear, or rather, not severe enough.

Which in and of itself is dependent upon them. For any general penalty, there will always be some people who either a) aren't afraid of the penalty, or b) feel the action is worth the risk of the penalty.

There's nothing that can be done about that perception from an outside position, except trying to focus the punishments to fit the individual. Which is why Riot shifted from just using bans (because players would simply swap to smurf accounts to avoid the sanction) to focusing more on Chat Restrictions, Ranked Restrictions, and LPQs - punishments that are unavoidable through any means less than dropping the account permanently. Beyond customizing punishments to each individual person (which would require far more personalized data than they have, or should have), there's little more they can do about it.

Loup Noir1 votes

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Which is why the system is fully capable of recognizing that. Or do you really think that a team of fairly intelligent people wouldn't have considered that possibility? They've explicitly stated that Leaverbuster is capable of recognizing "non-Leaver afks" of various sorts.

And yet it still happens. Frequently. This is only your opinion and word, no evidence that they can actually detect and punish individuals who simply stop playing. And yet it is just as bothersome as quitting the game.

This rationale is why calling for reports is considered both reportable and potentially punishable. It's fairly mild as toxicity goes, but it's still toxic.

I don't think that qualifies as toxic at all. I should be able to defend myself and my team in a bad situation with a truly toxic individual. Some of the most toxic of players are only shut down when a good team of individuals speaks up. If the best answer to toxic players is really "turn off the chat" or "ignore them" then it begs the question of why chat even exists in the first place. (Beyond team communication)

So far - based on memory alone - they've given a skin (Riot Kayle), a Mystery Champion, a Mystery Skin, and a series of 4-win IP boosts. If that's not sufficient for you, well... see below. >

Ahhh yes. Riot Kayle, if thats true then only the players who received some sort of tag or banner from last season got that reward. I myself did not, because I only communicate with my team when I neeed to tell them something in game. Like, "careful" or "please gank" the banners were given to people who werent just "good behaved" but also went out of their way for some reason or another. While I think that is commendable its a huge reward (in fact has a monetary price you could attach to it) whereas the others not so much. I'm not saying I need a better reward though, thats not what I said at all. What I said was that I wanted Riot to step up their game in favor of good behavior and work harder (show us they are working harder) to rid the community of toxicity.

Which in and of itself is dependent upon them. For any general penalty, there will always be some people who either a) aren't afraid of the penalty, or b) feel the action is worth the risk of the penalty.

There's nothing that can be done about that perception from an outside position, except trying to focus the punishments to fit the individual. Which is why Riot shifted from just using bans (because players would simply swap to smurf accounts to avoid the sanction) to focusing more on Chat Restrictions, Ranked Restrictions, and LPQs - punishments that are unavoidable through any means less than dropping the account permanently. Beyond customizing punishments to each individual person (which would require far more personalized data than they have, or should have), there's little more they can do about it. >

I don't see how any of those alternatives fixes the issue of smurf accounts. Any player with a restriction can just as easily use a different account as one who has been banned. Indeed, I don't think anything can be done about smurf accounts. But to suggest that the new punishments somehow work better, well again, I want data that shows that there has been a decline of issues.

Jubbinaut1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Loup Noir,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=t9WlKyHV,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-13T03:33:10.046+0000)

And yet it still happens. Frequently. This is only your opinion and word, no evidence that they can actually detect and punish individuals who simply stop playing. And yet it is just as bothersome as quitting the game.

Here's what Riot Tantram had to say (I italicized his quote of the player he was responding to, since nesting quotes is not a thing):

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=EZbHLGZY,comment-id=04f70000,timestamp=2014-12-02T01:44:52.960+0000)

Does this system work on the ones that just wander around the landing platform every couple of minutes ? i report them at the end anyways but still just curious.

I'm not going to get into the details, but the short answer is yes. The system is smart.

Even without that, though, it's fairly obvious.

If the game can detect activity - and it must be able to, or it couldn't boot people who are idle for too long - there's no reason that data couldn't be used to detect players who are only active enough to keep from being booted.

If the game can detect experience gain - and it must be able to, or champions would never actually level - there's no reason that it couldn't be a metric used to detect players who aren't participating.

I don't think that qualifies as toxic at all. I should be able to defend myself and my team in a bad situation with a truly toxic individual. Some of the most toxic of players are only shut down when a good team of individuals speaks up. If the best answer to toxic players is really "turn off the chat" or "ignore them" then it begs the question of why chat even exists in the first place. (Beyond team communication)

If you don't recognize threatening people as a negative action, I don't know what to tell you. Regardless, it remains Riot's policy - my goal here is to ensure you're aware of that policy, not try to convince you that it's "right."

Ahhh yes. Riot Kayle, if thats true then only the players who received some sort of tag or banner from last season got that reward. I myself did not, because I only communicate with my team when I neeed to tell them something in game. Like, "careful" or "please gank" the banners were given to people who werent just "good behaved" but also went out of their way for some reason or another. While I think that is commendable its a huge reward (in fact has a monetary price you could attach to it) whereas the others not so much. I'm not saying I need a better reward though, thats not what I said at all. What I said was that I wanted Riot to step up their game in favor of good behavior and work harder (show us they are working harder) to rid the community of toxicity.

Any player who did not receive a Player Behavior ban or restriction last season received the Riot Kayle reward. The others have had somewhat shorter sequences between them, but still bore the same requirement.

Again, all that was required was avoiding bans or restrictions for the relevant period. And they're working on making it a consistent - if irregular - thing.

I don't see how any of those alternatives fixes the issue of smurf accounts. Any player with a restriction can just as easily use a different account as one who has been banned. Indeed, I don't think anything can be done about smurf accounts.

The difference is simple. To avoid a restriction by playing on a smurf, you must never play on the other account again. Bans are time-based. They start when they are issued, and they end some number of days (24-hour blocks) afterwards. Restrictions, on the other hand, are based on games played - to get rid of them, you have to play.

But it's not about the "issue" of smurf accounts. It's about ensuring that the sanction affects the player in some meaningful way.

But to suggest that the new punishments somehow work better, well again, I want data that shows that there has been a decline of issues.

That's not what I suggested - nor is it what I said. Nor, for that matter, would such data actually support my argument. So even if I had it, that wouldn't be what I'd show, here.

rstytrmbone2 votes

I find it pretty amusing that on every Post about how bad the tribunal is, This guy is defending it..Do you get paid by riot to spew this propaganda? Or do you really believe in the system..If your answer is the 2nd option, I have some PRIME investment opportunities id like to discuss with you....kappa...

Jubbinaut3 votes

Not every. I'm fairly picky about who I choose to address. I don't get paid by Riot. You can tell, because my name's not Red. I believe that the system itself is in a fairly good position at the moment, but more accurately, I believe in the people behind the system.

And you're welcome to discuss whatever you like, but I'll warn you. I have a habit of doing actual research, and I can smell bullshit a mile away.

rstytrmbone1 votes

So you get nothing at all in return for the amount of time that you spend on forum defending a system that does not work. Amusing. If Riot spent as much time as you I would be more willing to believe they gave a shit. But as it is now, They don't.

Jubbinaut2 votes

I get a great deal in return, though not from Riot. I get satisfaction from a solid, meaningful debate. I get a great deal of satisfaction from helping people keep their accounts in good standing.

I get friends. I get hilarious moments.

I get enough back out of it that it's worth my time. Which should be obvious, because I'm still doing it.

Of course, for all that, I still haven't seen any credible evidence that the system is "broken."

rstytrmbone1 votes

I mean if the community's overwhelmingly negative feedback is not enough then nothing will be. Every post i read on this, your the only one defending it. I guess do what you do, But dont piss on my leg and tell me its raining.

Jubbinaut2 votes

First of all, I'm not at all sure that the community as a whole has established "overwhelmingly negative" feedback. I've seen plenty of positive feedback regarding the system, and more feedback that the system - while working - isn't doing enough.

Secondly, the vast majority of that negative feedback is based on false assumptions, blatant biases, and significant misunderstandings of the system's functions.

Thirdly, social media sources - such as these Boards, Reddit, and others - are a frankly terrible sample for anything not directly related to the social media in question. Self-selection bias alone ensures that.

I'm also not the only person around doing this. Many of the others don't like the Misc. Board for whatever reason. Others don't have the amount of free time I do. Still others simply don't address the same kinds of threads I do.

rstytrmbone1 votes

Here is a fact...

Yesterday I was playing on my account, I was not a saint in that I was talking back to the duo quo in our game who were flaming on me, just as hard as anyone was on them. They literally said "Im going to handle your mother the same way I did top lane" And a little later, " Im going to fuck your mother". Both kids reported me and I was Ban for 14 days as soon as I left the post game. In post game i got no chance to say anything, as i got the ever fun "pvp timed out" message. There was no Riot employee review that looked at this case. 90% of the time i am reported, it is by people who are flaming just as hard if not harder. Im currently protesting this case with riot, But it will take more then a week, And tbh what it the point of waiting 10-12 days on a 14 day ban. System working so well. I can link you the chat where in i said the word shitty one time, and other then that no cuss words and no derogatory slang. So You can tell me your going to fuck my mom, then report me, and i get ban. Totally working as intended rite? Pretty much there should be No chat....You can get reported for anything at anytime, And I'v already seen your speel on if its a false report then blah blah bullshit. Straight up, kid said I'm going to fuck your mother, because i told them that tag team farming bot lane while the other team pushed mid was a bad idea. Awesome system.

Jubbinaut1 votes

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Yesterday I was playing on my account, I was not a saint in that I was talking back to the duo quo in our game who were flaming on me, just as hard as anyone was on them.

Well, that explains it, then, doesn't it?

I mean, if you were admittedly flaming hard back at them, and flaming is a bannable offense, what's the issue?

They literally said "Im going to handle your mother the same way I did top lane" And a little later, " Im going to fuck your mother".

Wow. Shitty people. Hope you reported them, so that the system can pick them up, too.

Both kids reported me and I was Ban for 14 days as soon as I left the post game. In post game i got no chance to say anything, as i got the ever fun "pvp timed out" message. There was no Riot employee review that looked at this case.

At no point have I claimed Riot manually reviews these cases. Hell, I don't even imply it. They're doing spot-checks on the system (not unlike the way condom manufacturers spot-check each batch) to keep an eye on its accuracy. Your case - evidently - was not one of the ones they spot-checked.

90% of the time i am reported, it is by people who are flaming just as hard if not harder.

And why should that make a difference? I mean, other than the fact that their behavior would also be reportable?

I can link you the chat where in i said the word shitty one time, and other then that no cuss words and no derogatory slang.

Why do people seem to think that cursing is bannable? It's not bannable.

But "derogatory slang" is also not the only thing that is. You're welcome to link the chat, and I'll be glad to point out the things the system picked up on that influenced its decision.

So You can tell me your going to fuck my mom, then report me, and i get ban. Totally working as intended rite?

If someone tells you they're going to fuck your mother, and then reports you, the only way you get a ban is if you were also being toxic.

Retaliation hasn't been acceptable for years. It was consistently punished in the Tribunal before this, and by Riot before that. Being a jerk because someone else is being a jerk is still being a jerk. And that's bannable.

Pretty much there should be No chat....You can get reported for anything at anytime, And I'v already seen your speel on if its a false report then blah blah bullshit.

Yeah, well. By your own statements, it wasn't a false report. So that would be a rather pointless direction to take the discussion. It's true, but it's irrelevant to your case.

And if you think there should be no chat, may I suggest that you make liberal use of the "/mute all" command, and perhaps remove the enter key from your keyboard? That would both prevent you from seeing chat, and prevent you from speaking in chat - effectively removing it entirely. Just for you.

Straight up, kid said I'm going to fuck your mother, because i told them that tag team farming bot lane while the other team pushed mid was a bad idea. Awesome system.

You seem to be stuck under a fairly common misperception. Allow me to illuminate the policy for you:

The actions of others have no bearing on your case. Your sanctions or lack thereof are issued explicitly based upon your own actions, and no one else's.

In other words, you didn't get banned because some kid said he was going to fuck your mother. You got banned because of the way you responded to it.

rstytrmbone1 votes

As has been stated over and over, the system is broke. If kids call tell you they will fuck your mom, and then the report sticks on you it is obviously not working. I dont play riot to learn humility, and i for one find it offensive that they force their Pussyfest bullshit on me. You can not talk to people in real life like this, and in real life there is no report qq button, I can tell that none of this is going to sway your unwavering, blind faith in a system that is unjust to a majority. So to you sir, I say good day, and stay away from the stock market, You are too gullible.

Jubbinaut1 votes

{quoted}

As has been stated over and over, the system is broke. If kids call tell you they will fuck your mom, and then the report sticks on you it is obviously not working. I dont play riot to learn humility, and i for one find it offensive that they force their Pussyfest bullshit on me. You can not talk to people in real life like this, and in real life there is no report qq button, I can tell that none of this is going to sway your unwavering, blind faith in a system that is unjust to a majority. So to you sir, I say good day, and stay away from the stock market, You are too gullible.

No, see, if I was gullible, I'd believe your ridiculous claim that you got punished for something someone else said.

Because - again - you weren't punished for what they said. I'll say it one more time just for good measure:

The actions of others have no bearing on your case. Your sanctions or lack thereof are issued explicitly based upon your own actions, and no one else's.

What they say to you doesn't matter to your case. It matters to theirs, of course, but we aren't discussing their cases.

Because to punish someone for the actions of another would be stupid. And while I have no faith in the system - as I've said before - I strongly believe that the people who developed it are more intelligent than that.

rstytrmbone1 votes

And again, As YOU said, No one reviewed the report....So its basically just you get reported for anything, and its gg.

rstytrmbone1 votes

Here is another thought for you....In real life, that magical place, If you play on a team (i.e football) and you suck ass, your going to hear about it. I have my doubts that you are much of an athlete, so I'll relate it to something you might understand, If u play on a ranked 5s team and you suck ass your going to hear about it. There are 2 options to solve the issue, Get better, or quit. Life is tough, wear a helmet, OR just spam the report button, and keep sucking at the game.

Jubbinaut1 votes

{quoted}

And again, As YOU said, No one reviewed the report....So its basically just you get reported for anything, and its gg.

I said a person didn't review it, yes. I did not say that it wasn't reviewed at all.

There has been approximately zero valid evidence indicating that cases do not undergo some kind of review process. Not a single instance has been shown of a player who was genuinely non-toxic (by Riot's estimation - not the player's own), but still received a sanction - and it wasn't admitted as one of the extremely rare (1 in 6000, or 0.000166%) mistakes of the system.

So no. I don't believe that reports just magically equal punishments. Because nothing I have seen has actually indicated that to me.

Jubbinaut1 votes

{quoted}

Here is another thought for you....In real life, that magical place, If you play on a team (i.e football) and you suck ass, your going to hear about it.

I like how you compare organized teams with solo-queue. Many people do, while ignoring that the comparison is blatantly invalid.

Also, perhaps you should stop conflating criticism with toxicity. It's beyond possible to criticize someone without being toxic about it - and it's damn-near impossible to be punished for it. Which I'm glad of - otherwise, I'd at least have some chat restrictions by now.

I have my doubts that you are much of an athlete

I played soccer for 3 years and baseball for 5.

It's been a long time since then, but I remember the experiences well. The biggest takeaway I had from them was sportsmanship - interestingly enough, the very thing that Riot is trying to encourage.

EL HAMSTERO1 votes

the system is smart but people always figure it out. in this case if you are at the fountain and not getting xp then leaverbuster will get you. if you afk at the turret and get xp whenever enemy minions reach the tower then you are fine.

i have afked numerous times using this method and have never been punished. since player reports for afk no longer do anything (leaverbuster obviously has that covered right?) i can afk at a turret with no fear of any repercussions.

similar is verbal abuse. the program is smart but people can figure it out. as long as you are careful and avoid certain keywords and common phrases you can be extremely abusive and the system will not catch you.

trolling? as far as i can tell the only punishment for trolling is chat restrictions. i have trolled hundreds of games and that is the only discipline i have recieved. maybe when the number of reports becomes great enough something more extreme will happen, but i would be surprised if i havent been reported over 1000 times with no result other than a 720 game chat restriction.

Jubbinaut2 votes

[{quoted}](name=EL HAMSTERO,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=t9WlKyHV,comment-id=000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2015-08-13T20:42:47.516+0000)

the system is smart but people always figure it out. in this case if you are at the fountain and not getting xp then leaverbuster will get you. if you afk at the turret and get xp whenever enemy minions reach the tower then you are fine.

Yes, because obviously that was never considered, either, and my random off-the-top-of-my-head thoughts on metrics that might be used are the only metrics that could possibly be used.

i have afked numerous times using this method and have never been punished. since player reports for afk no longer do anything (leaverbuster obviously has that covered right?) i can afk at a turret with no fear of any repercussions.

You missed a pretty important word: "yet." As in, you have never been punished, yet.

similar is verbal abuse. the program is smart but people can figure it out. as long as you are careful and avoid certain keywords and common phrases you can be extremely abusive and the system will not catch you.

Yes, well, if it was nothing more than a dictionary search, I might agree with you. But it's not - it's a self-educating system. Which means that as the language of abuse changes, so will the system's recognition of that language.

trolling? as far as i can tell the only punishment for trolling is chat restrictions. i have trolled hundreds of games and that is the only discipline i have recieved. maybe when the number of reports becomes great enough something more extreme will happen, but i would be surprised if i havent been reported over 1000 times with no result other than a 720 game chat restriction.

Cool! Keep it up! I'm sure you'll also be amused by the permaban that'll earn you. Because - and you may not have noticed this - Riot has been cutting back much of the slack they used to offer.

EL HAMSTERO1 votes

do you know how many games it takes leaverbuster to detect you if you are breaking its rules? 1. if it hasnt gotten me after several games it is not getting me. unless they change it somehow.

as for permaban, you might not have noticed but LoL is the same game at level 3 as it is at level 30. i honestly will lol the day they finally ban me. and then i will switch to one of my 20 other accounts.

Linthe1 votes

I think the problem is one of transparency. The tribunal- while not perfect- WAS transparent. All this automated "stuff" is completely opaque. Leaverbuster is ok as is. But Rito should bring back the Tribunal for verbal abuse/negative attitude etc.

nerak231 votes

similar is verbal abuse. the program is smart but people can figure it out. as long as you are careful and avoid certain keywords and common phrases you can be extremely abusive and the system will not catch you.

It sounds as if you are proud of this and the other things you say you do and get a way with ?

Yet you then say:

but i would be surprised if i havent been reported over 1000 times with no result other than a 720 game chat restriction.

"720" chat restrictions ? I wonder how long it takes to work that off ? Really I do :)

Honestly I wonder if Riot shouldn't just start taking a look at the many people who say such things ...In a way you seem to want to encourage bad behavior. Be Thrilled I don't have a say in the manor lol

SadBoyRhymes1 votes

Where is option for "I know I'm toxic, just some days I'm less toxic than others?"

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