I'll just put this 14 Day Ban Notice Here

Cleftomatic·Jun 18, 2015·1 votes·2,545 views

http://link.email.riotgames.com/YesConnect/HtmlMessagePreview?a=DCCT_etp7RqFzQltqm1J9nxI&msgVersion=web

Strict indeed, apparently Riot believes they can force people to act like sweet hearts for free. I already have a call center type job, I don't need to pretend to be nice towards naiive players for free. What I find interesting is, I've been chat restricted before in the past over and over for not saying anything in chat, after all the idea was to mute all immediately and play. But newp can't even do that, so now i have to fake a smile emo con or some crap and just say sorry that their angry of feel that way as if im some worker behind a desk. How annoying.

This is what happens when you leave the decisions of judging accounts in the communities hand. God bless Rioto.

\o\ I shall leave this to the community, chew at me or agree with me, I do not care its yer call. /o/

86 Comments

ZACKandATTACKJun 18, 201511 votes

You deserve it. You fed into toxicity with multiple negative comments, and then you had the audacity to tell enemy team where your teammate was.

IcyPepperJun 18, 20158 votes

What I find interesting is, I've been chat restricted before in the past over and over for not saying anything in chat, after all the idea was to mute all immediately and play.

But this is not the case, not with that link. There is a difference between not being a "sweet heart" and just being an ass. I have no idea why you try to claim that when apparently you do not have the self control to not type rude things into the chat.

i soloed veigar in 1v1 and leona has base dmg something a bronze like u wouldnt know k muted hf with ur lost and a report can tell ur mad because u have a ekko support over a leo

Yeah, you really deserve your ban. Are we supposed to pity you or something?

disregardableJun 18, 20152 votes

Uh, tombdragon? Read what you wrote again please. How exactly does he deserve a ban for saying muted, reported, or you're bronze? No death threats, homophobia, racism, or extreme harassment in any way. It's mildly negative, and not AT ALL indicative of a player that needs to be removed from the game.

I mean the closest thing to ban-worthy he said was "so go ahead and choke on ur anger", and honestly saying one barely ban worthy thing is excusable.

I'm going to say he was justified for posting this. This was the system stepping out of bounds.

IcyPepperJun 18, 20154 votes

He's not permabanned. A 14 day time ban is steep, but it's better than getting the eternal ban hammer.

dw irelia sorry for burning ur flash /o/ ur team will most liekly win mine is too busy acting like three stooges aruguieng all game btw wu is in that bush u passed by but he is recalling so :> gegee

If he's at that level, a short break from the game might be a good thing. Assisting the enemy team is not a mild offense, and a comment like that would only serve to make that specific game a bad environment for players.

Getting punished rarely if ever feels fair, but sometimes a break is a good thing.

Sir YamazukiJun 18, 20155 votes

[{quoted}](name=The AFK Farmer,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=mva4zo7M,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2015-06-18T03:59:57.839+0000)

Uh, tombdragon? Read what you wrote again please. How exactly does he deserve a ban for saying muted, reported, or you're bronze? No death threats, homophobia, racism, or extreme harassment in any way. It's mildly negative, and not AT ALL indicative of a player that needs to be removed from the game.

I mean the closest thing to ban-worthy he said was "so go ahead and choke on ur anger", and honestly saying one barely ban worthy thing is excusable.

I'm going to say he was justified for posting this. This was the system stepping out of bounds.

Harassing your team with report threats has always been something punishable along with whining all game about your team performing poorly. It's already been said before you should just report without announcing it every 5 seconds, nor should you ever ask the opponent to report.

disregardableJun 18, 20152 votes

Yeah, and there is this thing called matching the punishment with the offense. You don't stab someone because they spilled ketchup on your new dress, and you don't ban players for saying mildly negative, mostly inoffensive things in a non-threatening way...

Sir YamazukiJun 18, 20153 votes

[{quoted}](name=The AFK Farmer,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=mva4zo7M,comment-id=0002000000010000,timestamp=2015-06-18T13:53:19.865+0000)

Yeah, and there is this thing called matching the punishment with the offense. You don't stab someone because they spilled ketchup on your new dress, and you don't ban players for saying mildly negative, mostly inoffensive things in a non-threatening way...

There's this category while reporting called "Negative attitude", which is punishable. Being negative all game drags your team down and generally means you're just going to lose. If you're incapable of saying something productive then say nothing at all.

CleftomaticJun 18, 20151 votes

You would be right if I was the one harassing others. Pity for you I was defending myself, I don't have to take disrespect nor do I need to cradle yer frail booties after the toxic waste they spat out at me. I'm not your nanny. On a more realistic level, if the players who reported me were to take it to civil court. The Judge would Dismiss it because it's so stupid and petty, he/she would literally say "Then don't start throwing threats at him, don't act all high mighty and disrespectful just because he picked a position you don't wan't him to have, maybe if you decided to keep your mouth shut, he wouldn't be hurting your feelings. He was being ganged on by 4 people, what did you expect? A plate of a cookies and kisses? Don't bully him then." . . . .

No offense but I feel like I'm swarmed by two year olds who cry over spilt milk thus I deserve the death penalty of my account.

Sir YamazukiJun 18, 20153 votes

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You would be right if I was the one harassing others. Pity for you I was defending myself, I don't have to take disrespect nor do I need to cradle yer frail booties after the toxic waste they spat out at me. I'm not your nanny.

You're free to respond in any way that you wish, but the community and Riot have rules set. All actions have consequences, if you choose to continue the way you are, then accept them and stop acting like you did nothing wrong. No one wants to play a game only for it to turn into a loss because 2 people are sitting there insulting or arguing back and forth all game.

Also, only people who need to 'defend' themselves are frail.

AnomanderJun 18, 20154 votes

[{quoted}](name=The AFK Farmer,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=mva4zo7M,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2015-06-18T03:59:57.839+0000)

Uh, tombdragon? Read what you wrote again please. How exactly does he deserve a ban for saying muted, reported, or you're bronze? No death threats, homophobia, racism, or extreme harassment in any way. It's mildly negative, and not AT ALL indicative of a player that needs to be removed from the game.

Guess I will answer this for you. Those type negative behavior results in a permanent ban. The OP only received a 14 day ban so riot believes they can change. The overall content was toxic. Harassing another player is ban worthy. However "just die" depending on context could be considered a death threat. Or telling someone to commit suicide. We don't have full context. I would say 14 day ban is fair.

CleftomaticJun 18, 20151 votes

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Guess I will answer this for you. Those type negative behavior results in a permanent ban. The OP only received a 14 day ban so riot believes they can change. The overall content was toxic. Harassing another player is ban worthy. However "just die" depending on context could be considered a death threat. Or telling someone to commit suicide. We don't have full context. I would say 14 day ban is fair.

Should be obvious I'm telling the vayne who is getting ganked to pieces to die from it and give up after she condemns the target out of favorable position. After all the crap she said to me, ofc I would be frustrated. You have all these wilds guesses and yet you can't even figure that out ^ . smh I would like you to prove I'm asking them personally to die, otherwise in a video game where everyone dies shouldn't be ban worthy. )o) And tbh, I find it funny that I would still try to help her in the game despite all the things she said to me yet she and the other two members on my team decide to try troll me in game. lawl Go ahead and defend that kind of individual, I'm sure you can sleep at night. /o/

AnomanderJun 18, 20153 votes

You might want to read my comment again. I said the overall was toxic. and gave a example of possible a worse offence which could of been a permanent ban. However Like I also said we don't have the context. I will not guess at the context of the statement and didn't. Even if "Just Die" was in the exact context you day the rest still justifies a 14 day ban. "Just die" given in the context I gave would have been a permanent ban. I am defending the fact that it was not a permanent and that riot thinks you can reform.

However based on your response here on the board I doubt it and will prolly seen you back again in 3-4 weeks complaining about being permanently banned.

Remember one line may not be toxic but the whole of that game you were toxic.

CleftomaticJun 29, 20151 votes

I don't see anything ban-able in what you just quoted. I pity your statement.

IcyPepperJun 29, 20151 votes

I pity you for the ban. I hope it's over, just try to be nicer to others okay?

CleftomaticJun 29, 20151 votes

I have plans. Janna

IcyPepperJun 29, 20151 votes

If all else fails, make mad sweet love to the mute button.

CleftomaticJun 30, 20151 votes

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If all else fails, make mad sweet love to the mute button.

That actually chat restricted me before. Apparently no communication from the start = a no. )o)

IcyPepperJun 30, 20151 votes

Don't mute at the start. See who's actually communicating, and who's just bitching. Mute the latter, occasionally reply to the former.

If you ever get reported for no communication, you'll have chat logs as proof of your innocence.

CleftomaticJul 1, 20151 votes

Like I wasn't innocent before. DW I have many plans to carry out once the ban is lifted today. Janna

BeatzBoyFTWJun 18, 20154 votes

Says "k muted", and then continues another 30+ more lines.

Yea sure, it's Riot's fault, w/e

CleftomaticJun 18, 20151 votes

Not sure how this is ban worthy, but okay. You know what your talking about. /o/

BeatzBoyFTWJun 18, 20154 votes

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Not sure how this is ban worthy, but okay. You know what your talking about. /o/

You really need to stop pretending to be so "innocent" & having a "lack of common sense" just to get yourself out of your 14 days ban. It's not gonna work.

You muted the guy because prob he has doing bad or being toxic. But you actually didn't & replies back with multiple negative comments which doesn't even fit the description as "kind" or "motivational". You did nothing but feed the toxicity with your negativity.

I know you've reported the guy after the game from your "enjoy ur report" comment, so it's all good. But again, you unnecessarily had to open that filthy mouth of yours even more just to make yourself feel better. Those aren't "calming words". Those aren't even "tips". You're just throwing out your 5 years old tantrum by splatting unhealthy words on the whole chat box while smashing the keyboard for the purpose of insulting instead of focusing the game.

My god, you even wrote "muted" the second time, and you still spill your dirty mouth everywhere......

Take your time and rethink your attitude during these 14 days ban.

DrCyanideJun 18, 20154 votes

enjoy ur report riot is strict these days so gl children

Famous last words?

CleftomaticJun 18, 20151 votes

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riot is strict these days so gl children

Famous last words?

Hopefully these are your's. ^ Considering the path you chose to go down in this thread ain't the brightest.

DrCyanideJun 18, 20155 votes

Honestly, I doubt I'll ever even get a chat restriction. Being a decent human being is pretty easy.

CleftomaticJun 18, 20151 votes

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Honestly, I doubt I'll ever even get a chat restriction. Being a decent human being is pretty easy.

Not a matter of being decent, this is a case where why I find being banned for countering my aggressors bullocks. Wrong forum mister.

DrCyanideJun 18, 20154 votes

You're right, it's slightly more specific than just being decent.

It's being decent when other people aren't. It's choosing to react better than an animal would in a similar situation. It's not easy (especially when someone's pushing all your buttons at the end of a tough day), but it's part of being human.

As for being on the wrong forum, unless I'm mistaken this is in the Miscellaneous section, and I'm staying on the topic.

CleftomaticJun 29, 20151 votes

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You're right, it's slightly more specific than just being decent.

It's being decent when other people aren't. It's choosing to react better than an animal would in a similar situation. It's not easy (especially when someone's pushing all your buttons at the end of a tough day), but it's part of being human.

As for being on the wrong forum, unless I'm mistaken this is in the Miscellaneous section, and I'm staying on the topic.

Where in the world do you even see me acting like an animal in that chat? The worse I'd get would be no snacks in daycare.

BakedLotionJun 18, 20153 votes

How is that even toxic. That's annoying at most

CleftomaticJun 18, 20151 votes

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How is that even toxic. That's annoying at most

What people find annoying is apparently ban worthy.

Laughing FishJun 18, 20152 votes

You were extremely negative. Look, I can understand in the heat of the moment you say something bitter. Anyone who plays this game knows it is very easy to go too far. But it is another thing entirely to continue to defend your actions after you are shown proof, and have had time to cool down. Also, you said you have been banned fore. Bans get worse for repeat offenders, as the figure since a small ban was not enough to get through to you, maybe a harsher punishment will.

CleftomaticJun 18, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Laughing Fish,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=mva4zo7M,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2015-06-18T15:38:07.393+0000)

You were extremely negative. Look, I can understand in the heat of the moment you say something bitter. Anyone who plays this game knows it is very easy to go too far. But it is another thing entirely to continue to defend your actions after you are shown proof, and have had time to cool down. Also, you said you have been banned fore. Bans get worse for repeat offenders, as the figure since a small ban was not enough to get through to you, maybe a harsher punishment will.

That is if what i said was even ban worthy. Which. . . short answer no. Just another person you shouldn't be provoking.

Laughing FishJun 18, 20153 votes

Evidently what you said was ban worthy.

Swaxy FaxJun 18, 20151 votes

I can sympathize. Though I can also understand Rito's position in this matter. They dont have the man power to judge every player and occasionally the tribunal is subject to some rather vexed individuals.

http://link.email.riotgames.com/YesConnect/HtmlMessagePreview?a=ziCT_etp7RqhnF3Nqm1J-W9G&msgVersion=web ^ I am also stuck with a 14 day ban. Though I am unsure if it is justified or not. I dont think I was exactly "Vebally abusing" this individual it was more of a "banter" between the two of us, that im assuming his team took offense to.

AnomanderJun 18, 20153 votes

Harassing another player all game and calling them "buttsour" is toxic. Banter is between two people who know that it is banter. Obviously someone in the game was offended.

CleftomaticJun 18, 20151 votes

Offended yes, ban-able no. Big woop someone's feelings were easily hurt from something petty. Riot is here to spoil your unappreciative Hines. /o/ That's wai they let you the community who finds things from a bar of soap falling to the ground equaling the end of the world.

AnomanderJun 18, 20152 votes

Any breach of the summoners code is ban-able.

http://gameinfo.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/get-started/summoners-code/

Might want to re-read it.

CleftomaticJun 18, 20151 votes

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Any breach of the summoners code is ban-able.

http://gameinfo.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/get-started/summoners-code/

Might want to re-read it.

Hi, I read it and nothing I say "Violates it". After all the "Summoners codes" speaks as if you are the initiator of the conversation not after the fact. You might wan't to re read it 3x. /o/ And if you think it supports players to keep quiet and take in all the aggression you are dead wrong. o/

AnomanderJun 18, 20153 votes

" Also, be mindful of how you present your point of view. If a player feels strongly on a subject, don't get caught up trying to have the last word. Just state your side and exit the conversation gracefully rather than give them the opportunity to pick a fight."

"And remember, while nobody likes being insulted, it pays to take a moment to consider the circumstances. Remember that this is a competitive game, and, more often than not, the other player is just venting their frustration. Try not to take it personally. Everyone has a breaking point and everyone rages sometimes. At some point you may find yourself in the other person's shoes."

This is my last response as you have obviously made of your mind to not even try to reform.

CleftomaticJun 18, 20151 votes

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" Also, be mindful of how you present your point of view. If a player feels strongly on a subject, don't get caught up trying to have the last word. Just state your side and exit the conversation gracefully rather than give them the opportunity to pick a fight."

"And remember, while nobody likes being insulted, it pays to take a moment to consider the circumstances. Remember that this is a competitive game, and, more often than not, the other player is just venting their frustration. Try not to take it personally. Everyone has a breaking point and everyone rages sometimes. At some point you may find yourself in the other person's shoes."

This is my last response as you have obviously made of your mind to not even try to reform.

Pick a fight (or quarrel)

Talk or behave in such a way as to provoke an argument or fight.

- Google Dictionary

Owh okay provoke an argument. What is there to provoke when I'm already placed in one.

And as far as your second paragraph you quoted, It should be pretty clear they are more than just frustrated after threatening you, spamming noob all over the chat, trying to get other to troll you and spam derogatory terms. This is more than just simple frustration, this is called harassment which you fail to see. Because in nature, it's people like you who like to blame the victim for kicks. That is why I do not find your argument acceptable. I'll do you the favor and wave you off the thread, Good bye. o/

JubbinautJun 18, 20154 votes

Victim blaming is indicating that the victim is responsible for the attacker's actions.

That's not what's going on here. You aren't responsible for the shit they say to you. But you are responsible for the way you respond.

Responding to toxicity with further toxicity is still toxic behavior. Toxic behavior is still punishable. Or, as it is usually said: "Retaliation is not acceptable."

CleftomaticJun 18, 20151 votes

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JubbinautJun 18, 20152 votes

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I'm sorry, I simply don't see how that follows. Nor do I see how it relates to what I said. A better analogy might be:

If you came over to my house and killed my (already-dead) mother, then strangled my (non-existent) children, and I beat you within an inch of your life, I may well be charged with aggravated assault (at the least). Any punishment levied against me would be based explicitly on that charge.

In other words, I would be held responsible for my actions, rather than yours - much like Riot is, with this ban, holding you responsible for your actions rather than those of the initial aggressors.

CleftomaticJun 18, 20151 votes

Big woop, maybe if players weren't toxic in the first place and plan to harass me over a pick, they wouldn't of gotten a cold shoulder now would they? I understand that they are the same people I'm going to get a response from this thread. Therefore I do not care if you sympathize or even hate me for it. Also, I told them right when the recall was finishing and they were already away from the area if ye were wondering.

This isn't rocket science, you start a war with someone, expect to get burned. Unless I'm getting a paycheck from Rioto and I have some logo on me indicating I work for Riot. I don't have to pretend to be nice just because ye are a jack arse. Respect is earned, not born with and when ye show signs ye wanna be a fool around me. Don't expect anything but the harsh truth from me. /o/ And with the way I retaliated it's highly more appropriate than the cuss mouthing sexual crave individuals i deal with on a game to game basis. And I'm pretty sure you judgmental lunatics act worse than this, especially by viewing your account history. /o/ Riot fails to understand, banning someone over repelling their aggressors is not gonna make people like me "Oh I should start acting nice and just smile when people throw rocks at me". ERRNG.

Now I'd understand if the person is mouthing off a bunch of cuss words, death threats, and discrimination. I never find that present in my logs these day.

Laughing FishJun 18, 20152 votes

I don't have to pretend to be nice just because ye are a jack arse.

Actually yes, you do. Welcome to civilized society. If everyone had to try and out insult each other, there would never be peace anywhere.

CleftomaticJun 18, 20151 votes

Do you guys even hear what your saying?

How is this different from suspending Jimmy from school for 14 days for spilling milk as Tony was suspended from school for 14 days by assaulting a teacher.

There is such thing as cause of action, and you don't just state "Oh well he did something I didn't like so I would like to sue him and send him the gallows." Well wait a minute, if you didn't harass him, and keep threatening him with all those choices of words, you wouldn't be hearing from him then would you? smh Which is why I'm not surprised the Tribune voted my account to be banned. lawl

SmokedAlmondsJun 18, 20153 votes

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Do you guys even hear what your saying?

How is this different from suspending Jimmy from school for 14 days for spilling milk as Tony was suspended from school for 14 days by assaulting a teacher.

There is such thing as cause of action, and you don't just state "Oh well he did something I didn't like so I would like to sue him and send him the gallows." Well wait a minute, if you didn't harass him, and keep threatening him with all those choices of words, you wouldn't be hearing from him then would you? smh Which is why I'm not surprised the Tribune voted my account to be banned. lawl

More like Tony was suspended for 14 days for throwing milk on Jimmy and Jimmy also getting suspended for throwing slightly less milk back. And as the guy stuck sitting next to both of you getting splashed with milk I don't care who the it first or who threw the the most.

CleftomaticJun 18, 20151 votes

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More like Tony was suspended for 14 days for throwing milk on Jimmy and Jimmy also getting suspended for throwing slightly less milk back. And as the guy stuck sitting next to both of you getting splashed with milk I don't care who the it first or who threw the the most.

Why on earth would you twist a fictional reference? You are missing the point. Why even lie about how i should behave towards aggressor's when we know ** all** in the world would do. You have people stoning authority to sending complaint letters. You don't place everything on the same level offense and call it a day. I don't care who you think ye are.

SmokedAlmondsJun 18, 20151 votes

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Why on earth would you twist a fictional reference? You are missing the point. Why even lie about how i should behave towards aggressor's when we know ** all** in the world would do. You have people stoning authority to sending complaint letters. You don't place everything on the same level offense and call it a day. I don't care who you think ye are.

because your reference did not even remotely accurately reflect the situation.

I know full well I cross the line sometimes. 99 times out of a 100 ill ignore them and report them. But that doesn't even matter. This is about what you should do not what someone else might have done.

I do think they lump too much together and wish there were more options than just chat restrictions, 14 day bans, and perma bans. I think at least they should have 7 day bans. But really that doesn't even have anything to do with this anyway. You and whoever you were talking to committed the same offense against the same people. The only difference is maybe they started it. But you both were negatively effecting people with your behavior.

JubbinautJun 18, 20153 votes

I'm honestly surprised no one's brought this up yet, but the simple answer to this is "frequency." Yours seems to be a case of mild-to-moderate intensity, which indicates that the concern and rationale behind the ban is a greater-than-acceptable frequency.

Tony assaults a teacher for the first time in his school career - 14 day suspension warranted. Intensity is high, frequency is low, behavior is punishable.

Jimmy willfully disrespects his classmates by spilling his milk on them for the 15th time this month - 14 day suspension warranted. Intensity is low-to-moderate, frequency is high, behavior is punishable.

It's really not that complicated, nor is it significantly different from Riot's previous policies - which have been premised primarily on frequency and recidivism for years now.