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why can you even get reported for "harrasment" "toxic" and other things in that catagory?

PunaniLicker··3 votes·1,889 views

so im constantly getting reported for the dumbest reason and its really makes he angry because why am i suspended when someone can very easily MUTE me and not have to hear me anymore. its a freedom of speech country that i live in i can go out side say what ever i want to anyone in the street but since im on a keyboard i cant say what im thinking? this is very ridiculous and people only report when they get salty and THEY are the ones raging. so i look where to submit a problem to riot and they don't have anything that someone with a real problem would have on the submit list. so why doesn't riot have an actual support window or phone number we can call for someone to answer out questions. i feel like this would help so much. im not saying what i said was what i should have said but trust me they didny just mute me they said things back and also are the ones who started it. i feel like i don't need to mute someone because im not going to report them over getting salty or toxic. im bigger than that and i don't let keyboard warriors phase me so i dont know riot would care if someone else would do the same no other big games have that. csgo has nothing even close to this you can report people for hacks that's about it and that's about the only thing you should be aloud to get reported for. same thing with WoW nothing is reported able for being "toxic". riot has more things you can report someone for then they have to help someone with. i would like to know other players opinions about this topic and also riots because this is a very poor excuse for someone to ber suspended or even all the people that have gotten banned from this

67 Comments

Deep Terror Nami9 votes

WHY IS VERBAL ABUSE PUNISHABLE IF THERE IS A MUTE BUTTON/LANGUAGE FILTER? Players shouldn't need to rely on features like the mute button or language filter to engage with other players in positive ways. When a player verbally abuses another player and forces him to use the mute button, they have already created a negative experience for that player.

same thing with WoW nothing is reported able for being "toxic"

Actually yes, it is. You can get banned from the game for racial or homophobic slurs, death threats, and other extremely toxic verbal abuse. They just don't use the word "toxic" to describe it as often as we do here.

PunaniLicker1 votes

you cannot get reported in WoW for that. people say racial or homophobic slurs, death threats, and other extremely toxic verbal abuse to the GMs.

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/ingame-and-forum-conduct

Here. Educate yourself.

PunaniLicker1 votes

its in there tso do they enforce it no... you probably look that up just to try and show me up but i actually play the game.

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

So I provide proof and you go "I DON'T ACCEPT IT!".

Troll confirmed. Please don't speak to me again.

PunaniLicker1 votes

lmfao that isn't proof you looked somthing up on the tso that's isn't enforced... you can look at all the other comments that I've responded with i pretty sure im not a troll but if you say...

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

I asked you kindly not to speak to me again. I don't want to assume you're mentally handicapped because that would be rude, so I'm going with the safer bet that you're a troll. Do not speak to me again.

PunaniLicker1 votes

if you dont want me to speak to you why are you responding you see you are part of the problem my friend. look i will make a perfect example out of you, you say you want to be left alone yet you keep on responding and you sir/mam are the people who report other people like me.

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

I don't know any other way to put it. Please quit responding to me. I have no interest in further debate with someone that willingly ignores cited sources in order to justify his toxicity.

PunaniLicker1 votes

again you keep going if you really wanted to be left alone you would stop responding...

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

You are forcing it on me because there is no mute system yet. I get your harassment through notification and it stays on My Updates page whether I want it or not.

Please quit speaking to me.

PunaniLicker1 votes

you can easily look at it any not reply but you want the last word and i wont give it to you.

SmokedAlmonds9 votes

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Retaliation isn't OK. It just makes it a worse experience for the 8 other players. If there was a player that initiated, they are most likely punished as well.

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We consider the "Mute" feature to be a last resort. When a player has to use the "Mute" feature, the damage has already been done. Your experience is already worse, you are already less likely to play another game, and you already don't enjoy League as much as before. The "Mute" feature is a last resort to prevent any further harassment or abuse. Just because a feature like this exists doesn't mean it's OK for players to spew hate speech or be racist or verbally abusive. The vast majority of players in League hate these types of behaviors, and we should respect these players and not tell toxic players it's OK to be dicks just because a "Mute" feature exists.

PunaniLicker1 votes

again your answers are just part of the problem why riot created that being a reported issue... people talk to each other in this manner all the time irl. you cant get punished for it

Jubbinaut2 votes

There's a difference. In real life, people who behave like that are faced with all kinds of social consequences. League has no system to allow or enact such "naturally occurring" consequences. As such, they must enforce them with other systems.

PunaniLicker1 votes

what social consequences please tell me? i want to learn.

Jubbinaut2 votes

People who insult others in real life tend to be ostracized and avoided by their peers. They also tend to find themselves in more negative situations (fights/arguments/etc) more often than others. They often have trouble keeping jobs, and rarely have positive relationships - assuming they have any relationships at all.

That's about all I can think of off the top of my head, but I'm sure if I had more time to dedicate to consideration I could think of more.

PunaniLicker1 votes

that's funny to know because that's all based on theory and very judgmental. im a D1 baseball player i don't think any of those apply to me.

Jubbinaut1 votes

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that's funny to know because that's all based on theory and very judgmental.

The only "theory" in there is the rationale behind it. It's an observable occurrence. You can say it doesn't happen, but that doesn't mean much.

I'm not sure why you're calling it judgmental. I make no judgment about anyone. I'm simply pointing out common behaviors. Most people don't seem to desire being around others who insult and belittle them. No judgment there, just self-defense.

im a D1 baseball player i don't think any of those apply to me.

And that's relevant because... ?

PunaniLicker1 votes

what you just said was so untrue its unbelievable that someone could even say that to another its shows that your either a minor or you don't get our much man... i said im a D1 baseball player cause you tried to say i relate to those things and other people relate to those things but most of the people that avoid peers you'd think wouldn't talk in chat or rage because they would want to make friends other wise.

Jubbinaut1 votes

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what you just said was so untrue its unbelievable that someone could even say that to another its shows that your either a minor or you don't get our much man...

If you say so. There's plenty of studies done by people far more intelligent than either of us that claim otherwise. But don't let that stop you from stooping to ad-hominem attacks.

i said im a D1 baseball player cause you tried to say i relate to those things and other people relate to those things but most of the people that avoid peers you'd think wouldn't talk in chat or rage because they would want to make friends other wise.

You're misrepresenting what I said entirely - and you're not hiding it very well.

And I'm still not sure what being a baseball player has to do with this discussion.

PunaniLicker1 votes

im done talking to you sorry man... your ignorant to say that and i highly doubt there are studies to prove that and if so there probably not credible

Jubbinaut1 votes

I tell you what. You find me some people that enjoy being bullied, and I'll accept my ignorance. Until then, I'll continue to trust people who make a living studying these things. Sound good to you?

ModWulf Helhammer3 votes

Why can you get thrown in jail for slander or (extreme) hate speech? People can just close their ears and walk away, can't they?

Icestar11863 votes

Why can you even get reported for "harassment," being "toxic," and other things in that category?

Because nobody wants to put up with it.

Also, fixed your spelling/grammar for you.

Marthian2 votes

so im constantly getting reported for the dumbest reason and its really makes he angry because why am i suspended when someone can very easily MUTE me and not have to hear me anymore.

Just because there's tools to ignore verbally abusive players does not mean it's ok for you to be one.

its a freedom of speech country that i live in i can go out side say what ever i want to anyone in the street but since im on a keyboard i cant say what im thinking?

Freedom of speech does not give you freedom from the consequences of that speech. If you go saying hurtful things, people are going to call you out on it. You threaten someone's life, you can be arrested for threats of violence.

In addition, that Freedom of Speech does not carry over to private areas such as homes, businesses, or online games. If you are in someone's home and you are verbally abusing them, they are fully within their rights to kick you out. This also applies to Riot Games/League of Legends: If you are being verbally abusive to other players, they are fully in their rights to ban you from using their service, previous money paid be damned.

this is very ridiculous and people only report when they get salty and THEY are the ones raging.

If you are truly innocent, then nothing will happen to you and they will lose weighting on their reports, making the system not value theirs as much.

PunaniLicker1 votes

now if they say other hurtful things back to you? and Ive never threatened someone life...

Marthian1 votes

Then don't even give them the satisfaction. Just ignore and/or mute.

PunaniLicker1 votes

thank you for being an actual answer but id still like to know does riot look at both sides of the spectrum like the whole chat not just what i said? i feel like i wouldn't be suspended if they do i know they used to but when i go my report by email they only sent me what i said

Jubbinaut1 votes

They do. The review covers the whole chat. However, Riot's stance is that retaliation is not acceptable. More specifically, they believe that the actions of others never excuse yours. As such, that context is rarely meaningful in adjudicating a particular case.

46104328_DEL1 votes

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They do. The review covers the whole chat. However, Riot's stance is that retaliation is not acceptable. More specifically, they believe that the actions of others never excuse yours. As such, that context is rarely meaningful in adjudicating a particular case.

Which is exactly why we need Tribunal back, and not just Riot's goon squad throwing out bans because they feel the word "sod" is hurtful.

Jubbinaut1 votes

That policy was reflected just as consistently in the Tribunal.

46104328_DEL1 votes

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That policy was reflected just as consistently in the Tribunal.

Was it? I always found that cases were looked at with as much knowledge as given. (I.E. If a Teemo was feeding and intentionally trolling, and a Garen flipped his shit at him, so long as the Garen didn't stray into death threats or anything to serious, he was let off.)

Jubbinaut2 votes

That goes against the instructions for Tribunal. It also goes strongly against almost every case I saw - both the ones I voted on and the ones I saw after the fact in the TBI forums.

Riot instructed Tribunal users in their policy against retaliation, and encouraged users to judge players based on what they did, rather than what other people did. Based on what I saw (some few hundred cases judged and another few dozen seen in TBI), most users did exactly that - toxic retaliation was consistently punished.

That said, it's important to note that many Tribunal users were more forgiving than the current system, expressly because they felt that while a particular case was toxic, it was not toxic enough to warrant a ban. The introduction of new forms of sanction obviates that problem.

46104328_DEL1 votes

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That goes against the instructions for Tribunal. It also goes strongly against almost every case I saw - both the ones I voted on and the ones I saw after the fact in the TBI forums.

Riot instructed Tribunal users in their policy against retaliation, and encouraged users to judge players based on what they did, rather than what other people did. Based on what I saw (some few hundred cases judged and another few dozen seen in TBI), most users did exactly that - toxic retaliation was consistently punished.

That said, it's important to note that many Tribunal users were more forgiving than the current system, expressly because they felt that while a particular case was toxic, it was not toxic enough to warrant a ban. The introduction of new forms of sanction obviates that problem.

Fair enough. I still feel we need player input once again.

GroundRuleDouble2 votes

The "Freedom of Speech" thing means nothing in this case. It was created to allow people to disagree with government without fear of persecution. Using that in this case attempts to belittle it. Also, different "establishments" can have their own rules in a country with freedom of speech. For example, if you "rage" in Walmart, they have full authority to ask you to leave. Same thing with League.

PunaniLicker1 votes

thats old new man read other comments bruh... and people rage in stores all the time nothing happens thats the way of life.

Jubbinaut2 votes

As a retail worker, I must disagree with this. I've kicked people out of my stores multiple times. I've banned - and enforced bans on - people from my stores multiple times. And more often than not, it's due to people being disruptive and abusive to workers and other customers.

PunaniLicker1 votes

as a baseball player in college i can tell you that our team fights. does that mean the coach is going to kick them off the team? no you tell the players to make up or stop talking to each other. what you said about a retail store means nothing because its not even the same scenario.

Jubbinaut1 votes

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as a baseball player in college i can tell you that our team fights. does that mean the coach is going to kick them off the team? no you tell the players to make up or stop talking to each other.

That would be relevant if you were talking about a professional team - or even an amateur 5s team. But I'm not.

I'm talking about solo-queue, where there's no coach, and no pre-established team dynamic. There's just a bunch of random people stuck in a game together.

what you said about a retail store means nothing because its not even the same scenario.

Firstly, you're moving the goalposts.

Secondly, I feel it's far more accurate. At any given point in a retail store, you have a bunch of people who don't know each other, but are nevertheless forced to interact with each other (even if it's just to the extent of standing in line together, reaching for the same shelf, or trying to pass down the same aisle). In this sense, the customers are much like individual members of the League community.

Meanwhile, the employees are trying to keep things in order - to ensure the best, safest experience for each shopper. In that sense, the employees are much like Riot. And just like Riot, they can choose to eject shoppers who are being significantly disruptive to other customers.

PunaniLicker1 votes

the people who give the suspensions are the tribunal so that would be another customer throwing out another customer for saying something he/she didn't like...

Jubbinaut1 votes

Firstly, the Tribunal has been down for more than a year. We stopped having input then.

Secondly, Riot always determined the suspensions - Tribunal users merely determined whether or not a particular case of behaviors were deemed acceptable or not - much like complainants in a store setting.

PunaniLicker1 votes

there supposedly bringing the tribunal back and riot doesn't check the reported anymore they have it automated with how many times you've been reported in a certain amount of time.... i got suspended 2 mins after i was reported i don't think riot could have even read the chat in that amount of time

SmokedAlmonds2 votes

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there supposedly bringing the tribunal back and riot doesn't check the reported anymore they have it automated with how many times you've been reported in a certain amount of time.... i got suspended 2 mins after i was reported i don't think riot could have even read the chat in that amount of time

it is automated but its not based on how many reports you get. The only power reports wield is to trigger an evaluation of your chat. If there is nothing to find you wont be punished.

Jubbinaut1 votes

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there supposedly bringing the tribunal back and riot doesn't check the reported anymore they have it automated with how many times you've been reported in a certain amount of time....

They have a fairly complicated machine-learning algorithm in place to review cases. So - as always - the worst reports can do to you is trigger a case. The review of that case - and your behavior in the games that make it up - determine whether or not a punishment is issued.

i got suspended 2 mins after i was reported i don't think riot could have even read the chat in that amount of time

They've been working on getting this system to react more quickly. Specifically, it should be reviewing cases and determining the results within 15 minutes of the trigger.

I don't imagine yours was a complicated decision.

PunaniLicker1 votes

if its a computer doing it then its not at all complicated it would be able to do it instantly... works like a calculator bby

Jubbinaut1 votes

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if its a computer doing it then its not at all complicated it would be able to do it instantly... works like a calculator bby

Because as everyone knows, computers can handle an infinite number of calculations per second, right?

Oh. Wait. No. Complex calculations take a non-zero amount of time. And even a simple case like yours would require a fairly large number of complex calculations.

Now, on the other hand, if the system issued bans purely based on reports, it probably would be near-instantaneous - a mere handful of checks would take up less processing power than your average digital watch has.

risay2 votes

It ruins the game for the other players that are trying really hard to win, which has always been the case for me. Whenever I personally see someone raging hard, it just makes me feel all that effort and time you spent during that game has gone to naught. I like this system because it gets rid of the immature in the community, so that the players that actually want to excel in the game can do so while enjoying it. There is no reason for you to rage whatsoever when this game is entirely dependent on your level of play over the course of many games particularly in solo queue. You are playing with players at your elo so you'll always get a little bit of the good and a little bit of the bad. I think its entirely a matter of perspective to the person playing the game, but muting is definitely not an out for this kind of behavior when you want communication to be key to winning. You might not win your lane, but if you can communicate with your team you can easily win games where you might have teammates that lost every lane! They should remove the surrender button, because I believe teammates give up way too easily and don't try hard enough until the very end.

PunaniLicker1 votes

well this is very ignorant of you to say in my opinion. if you where to read other comments you would see most of the stuff you said here has already been said rather then the surrender button thing and that has nothing do do with this conversation but what if you get a troll that is feeding on purpose i think you might wanna surrender that game.

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