We NEED an item that gives refillable pink wards

Tussetafsemann··7 votes·738 views

Say the enemy Rengar has 25 kills. You're at 45 minutes, eveyone on your team has full build.

How do you prevent Rengar from killing your ADC? Once you see the exclamation mark over someone's head, place a pink ward so you can see him and CC him to the other side of the rift. However, everyone has a full build. No one has room for pink wards. Pink trinket is removed. Red trinket does not reveal units. Is it REALLY Riot's intention to not have a way to counter stealth champions in the later stages of the game? Oracle Alteration "reveals" them, but does not seem to make them targetable, which really defeats the purpose of using it. Then you will know where he is, but you still can't stop him, because he will pop ghostblade and have 900k movement speed anyway, so you can't even just run away. Plus, the detection range is barely larger than his jump range anyway. At least with pink wards you can use the information you get from seeing which of your teammates have the exclamation mark to place the ward close to him.

One could argue that Rengar shouldn't have 25 kills in the first place, but sadly a lot of people do not respect his gank pressure and feed him, so that is not really relevant.

I said years ago, probably back in S2, that there should be a special slot for wards. Of course, this was before Sightstone, which alleviates the need for that somewhat, but not completely, as buying Sightstone on Kalista is on par with getting Runaan's Hurricane on Blitzcrank. This is now even more true than it was in Season 5. At least when we had pink trinket you could choose to buy that if you needed to counter stealth champions.

Also, yes, most games don't go to full build, but some do. I just had one go to 57 minutes because Rengar was the only fed person on the enemy team, but we could not counter him effectively as everyone had full build and I (Thresh) sacrificed a build slot in order to carry a pink 24/7. I also had money for full build since like 35 minutes; I was quite fed since my ADC and I did exceptionally well in our lane. That sacrifice of a build slot led to less armor/fewer ways to protect my team from Rengar. I can say quite confidently that if pink trinket was still in the game, or there was another way to get pink wards without sacrificing an item slot, we would have won that game.

That said, I do not consider Rengar OP. It's just annoying to have people feeding him and then having no way of turning the game in your favour.

11 Comments

AsphodelNext4 votes

It'd be nice if we could have an item that somehow switches between pinks and greens, or a sightstone special charge that drops a pink as the first ward after you back or something.

Tussetafsemann2 votes

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It'd be nice if we could have an item that somehow switches between pinks and greens, or a sightstone special charge that drops a pink as the first ward after you back or something.

Yep. Or simply bring back pink trinket. Or make Oracle Alteration properly reveal champions.

ThePartyLeader1 votes

If only there was someone to protect your carries and since the dawn of league has always left a slot open in there build for pink wards.

Tussetafsemann4 votes

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If only there was someone to protect your carries and since the dawn of league has always left a slot open in there build for pink wards.

I fail to see how the longevity of a problem alleviates the problem itself.

Maximum Morde1 votes

I'd rather they just delete all stealth mechanics.

Weathered1 votes

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Timely Voidling2 votes

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Tussetafsemann1 votes

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Only shows an outline of him and doesn't let you target him. Not to mention that its range is just as big as his jump so you're screwed the moment you see the red blob moving towards you.

Yep. SlayerTay6 has clearly not tried this.

Weathered1 votes

I've mained shaco for around a year and know full well how red trinket works. I know you cant target but that is the intended feature. Pink wards cost money and a slot for a reason, and its intended for you to have a limited amount of them if not only one. Red trinket is the alternative that was provided to allow you to at least move away if you have fast enough reflexes. I didn't want to have to go into detail about how having refillable pinks would completly invalidate stealth as a mechanic, and would cause champs like shaco who heavily rely on the mechanic to actually work. 5 pinks per team is enough, and you shouldnt be able to place them on command, even if it destroys the last. "Someone clearly didnt think through their post".

Tussetafsemann1 votes

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I've mained shaco for around a year and know full well how red trinket works. I know you cant target but that is the intended feature. Pink wards cost money and a slot for a reason, and its intended for you to have a limited amount of them if not only one. Red trinket is the alternative that was provided to allow you to at least move away if you have fast enough reflexes. I didn't want to have to go into detail about how having refillable pinks would completly invalidate stealth as a mechanic, and would cause champs like shaco who heavily rely on the mechanic to actually work. 5 pinks per team is enough, and you shouldnt be able to place them on command, even if it destroys the last. "Someone clearly didnt think through their post".

No, it would provide a counter to such champions. Saying that it invalidates stealth as a mechanic is on par with saying that armor invalidates AD as a mechanic. In addition to that, reflexes don't enter into it, as it doesn't matter how fast your reflexes are if Rengar can jump on you the moment he enters the sight range of your red trinket and in the rare cases where you do manage to prevent this from happening, he will just pop Ghostblade and maybe Mercurial Scimitar to run you down (plus he gets bonus movement speed from his ult anyway). I will be happy to demonstrate the impossibility of such reflexes for you if you do not believe me (barely see Rengar and react fast enough to flash away? So what? He'll just run you down). And yes, five pinks per team is enough. However, having five pink wards per team in late game would require five players to play the game with five items. This is clearly not intended.

Moreover, one might argue that you, as a Shaco main, can not be considered impartial in this discussion. It would make your champion harder to play, which is unequivocally bad for you.

It also seems that you are quite radically missing the point. Acquiring an ability to place pink wards on command is not the point of this post. The point is to obtain a counter to fast-moving hard-hitting stealth champions like Rengar and Kha'Zix.

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I see the problem with vision that you are trying to address. I agree the problem exists.

I disagree that this is the correct solution. I don't want more dispensers junking up the item space. It's already getting ridiculous.

I see your point. I honestly don't care how the counter is provided though, just give us a counter to it.

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

I see the problem with vision that you are trying to address. I agree the problem exists.

I disagree that this is the correct solution. I don't want more dispensers junking up the item space. It's already getting ridiculous.

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