New Honor system major flaw

Matt58754·Jun 14, 2017·2 votes·412 views

The new honor system has one major flaw that makes it terrible. The fact that you can only honor one person during the post game lobby means that more often than not the carries will receive these honors over other roles. It's a known problem that support players and tanks often don't get enough credit for there contributions to the team, so why design a system where only one person gets honored. I mean riot constantly talks about making the support role better but the they release a system like this which is only making things worse.

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Handy Sandy Jun 14, 20172 votes

Uh, no. If you get a support or a tank on your team that does their job really well, you DO notice it and they'll go something like 2/0/14

sheldonbunnyJun 14, 20171 votes

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Uh, no. If you get a support or a tank on your team that does their job really well, you DO notice it and they'll go something like 2/0/14

In a perfect world, yes. In reality it depends on the type of person. Some will definitely notice. Others simply won't care and still go for carries. Which will be the majority we'll have to find out.

Personally I find it unfair because we've all had certain games where every person on the team pulled their weight. Riot wants a team game but then doesn't want to reward people for acting as one. Trying to emulate Overwatch or any other game with this system does not necessarily make it the best option.

GeauxxJun 14, 20171 votes

That doesn't benefit the ones that, lets say...

Engage a teamfight with perfect... at the cost of his life he gets your team 4 kills but the adc gets a quadra.

No one will notice that the tank/support engaged that perfectly set up play.

That goes harder for lower elos too, where kda matters most to them.

SEKAIJun 14, 20172 votes

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Uh, no. If you get a support or a tank on your team that does their job really well, you DO notice it and they'll go something like 2/0/14

You do realise tanks and supports are more likely to die from "grand" reasons, such as a suicide charge into the middle of enemy team and soak their damage before potentially dying from it so that their other teammates can get their happy triple-kill, or that they may cut the losses by intentionally diverging the enemy attention after an unsuccessful teamfight so that they will die alone but save their other teammates.

A successful tank is someone who can get the enemy attention; so if you actually die, chances are you've already exhausted all their CCs and bursts, and you ARE a successful tank even if you have 1 more death count. A successful support player is to put everyone on the team before themselves.

Hence tank and support players are more likely to have the kind of "now go" mentality when playing, whereas damage players are more likely to run towards their teammates if things go south, they are trained to act that way due to how their roles demand them to.

With this in mind, it's nothing but naive to assume that " If you get a support or a tank on your team that does their job really well, you DO notice it and they'll go something like 2/0/14". Because you know tanks and supports don't live inside a vacuum, many times tanks and supports have to die for that optimal outcome. Unlike damage dealers where their teamplay stops at doing enough damage and being self-aware enough, tanks and supports are supposed to look after the entire team and their objectives, because they're the initiators and field controllers; as such death means less on them than say the damage dealers, they only need to live long enough to engage and negate the enemy threats, unlike damage dealers who need to survive to do the damage.

In other words, it's unreasonable to assume that good tanks and supports will go 2/0/14 or something, because kda is never a big part in their existence. And thus the metric is not valid.

Not to mention, do you seriously think that people actually notice that 1 successful team-ulti in the game? Serious? Because last time I checked, people are more likely to notice that guy who got a triple rather than that other guy who's set up everything.

Kha TrixJun 14, 20172 votes

Not to mention, do you seriously think that people actually notice that 1 successful team-ulti in the game? Serious? Because last time I checked, people are more likely to notice that guy who got a triple rather than that other guy who's set up everything.

I can attest to that. People will most likely say "Nice triple" instead of "great ulti Ezreal". So I shutdown a 17/2/9 Syndra with ult. No? No "thank you" Ezreal? Okay, I get it. -A few moments later- TRIPLE KILL! ACE! "... No? No nice one Ezreal? Huh." -Tries to predict enemy place and misses by an inch..- "GODDAMN IT EZREAL, WTF WAS THAT ULT?"
... I'd go toxic for this if it weren't for the new honor system.

DragfinJun 14, 20171 votes

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The new honor system has one major flaw that makes it terrible. The fact that you can only honor one person during the post game lobby means that more often than not the carries will receive these honors over other roles. It's a known problem that support players and tanks often don't get enough credit for there contributions to the team, so why design a system where only one person gets honored. I mean riot constantly talks about making the support role better but the they release a system like this which is only making things worse.

The major flaw is the flawed player base. That is the only flaw in this whole game. Players who are not ignorant will honor the right people. Ignorant players will not. It's that simple.