Some sort of action needs to be taken against Garena

Keep Chasing Plz··13 votes·4,615 views
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I cannot even comprehend the ignorance and bigotry of this whole situation. And then for them to attempt to "resolve" the issue with a terribly written, half-assed apology makes it even worse. Their not actually sorry, just trying to cover their asses. I understand that Riot spoke out against their ruling, but there's no way Garena should get away with such a ridiculous statement without some sort of repercussion.

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EfficientDynamo8 votes

Agreed. Riot should not associate with this company if they want to implement those sorts of policies. I get that they primarily serve East Asia where social norms are different, but a multinational company like Riot cannot support or condone policies that support such narrow-minded views.

Griefer6 votes

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I cannot even comprehend the ignorance and bigotry of this whole situation. And then for them to attempt to "resolve" the issue with a terribly written, half-assed apology makes it even worse. Their not actually sorry, just trying to cover their asses. I understand that Riot spoke out against their ruling, but there's no way Garena should get away with such a ridiculous statement without some sort of repercussion.

I just read the thing, and I was wondering to myself if this is real or not.

Stating that only 1 LGBT should qualify for a team is absolutely ridiculous. Hell if there was a team composed of gays I wouldn't have a problem.

killd0zer6 votes

"No men"

YESSS gj freedom! liberation! Hillary 2016!

"No gays"

BIGOTS! Monsters!

Auryiel2 votes

I mean let's be honest here, most girls are not capable of performing at the same level as pro players OR are unwilling to spend enough time playing LoL to become that good. Either way, there's nothing wrong with making a female-only tournament. If there wasn't, you'd never even see girls in ''competitive'' games.

It's the same with pretty much every sport. Why is it such a problem with LoL?

And, more importantly, why do you feel the need to completely change the subject when an actual injustice is the topic here?

Daen2 votes

It's the same with pretty much every sport. Why is it such a problem with LoL?

In many sports there is an actual documented physiological advantage due to men's generally higher upper body strength. League of Legends, however, is about brain activity. I don't think there's any evidence to support the idea that men have a competitive advantage in non-athletic sports, but I could be wrong.

killd0zer1 votes

And, more importantly, why do you feel the need to completely change the subject when an actual injustice is the topic here?

Lol I just don't really have any pity or moral outrage. A tournament literally designed to exclude a certain group of people, is being criticized for not excluding the right group of people. Sorry but the whole thing is just comical, all of the butthurt is just kinda embarrassing.

Aerothal3 votes

wow. i mean i am really not a lbgt proponent, but this made me spit the sip of coffee i just took all over the desk! if this was in the states, the lawsuits would be rolling in and the ACLU would be all over it!

Their statement boils down to pure sexism: unfair advantage because of male gamers. (tg = male = unfair) The sexism is surreal!!! LOL

Champion Skin1 votes

Male=unfair=Women weaker/less capable then men

Ximlee3 votes

Does Riot have the power to remove Garena's privilege to use their game in this tourney?

THEJJSLAY1 votes

yes

RiotRiot Silog3 votes
Daen4 votes

I think the point here is that Garena made an outright segregated tournament statement, and the fix thereof was essentially "whoops, guess not". Not only is it extraordinarily misguided to make a ruling based on the fact women with a different sexual preference have magical wizard powers when it comes to League of Legends, but they literally said in the ruling that these groups (lesbian, transgender, etc.) are not considered women by the organization.

I'm not saying there needs to be further punishment or anything, just elucidating what the OP was going for.

killd0zer2 votes

I think the point here is that Garena made an outright segregated tournament

Yeah, they have an all female tournament.

Daen1 votes

all female tournament

To an extent I can kind of understand this. I am a terrible point of reference since I'm male and don't live in that region, but from what I've gathered the professional scene is very much a boys' club. It's not directly exclusive, per se, but there is an aura that isn't necessarily...inclusive. I'm not saying it's particularly nice to see a gender-specific tournament (especially since there is no documented competitive gender advantage), but I can also kind of see the logic behind it.

Segregating based on sexual preference, however? ...no. Just no.

The Ellimiist1 votes

There is documented gender competitive advantages though. That is why most sports, digital or otherwise, tend to segregate. Obviously physical strength differences don't apply like in sports but the difference in reaction timing is a thing.

This is why I kinda said its somewhat barely reasonable for them to not allow transgendered but makes no sense whatsoever to bar lesbians.

Daen1 votes

Feel free to provide documentation that points to the inferiority of women's reaction times as compared to men.

The Ellimiist1 votes

http://www.colorado.edu/eeb/courses/1230jbasey/abstracts%202005/21.htm

First thing I found using google cuz im busy and assumed you would google it to start with. Im sure you can find other more in depth studies/papers.

Aerothal1 votes

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FYI, they reversed the quota policy: http://esports.garena.ph/newsArticle.php?contentid=00000604

as they should have! Thanks for posting this.

Boyahda2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Silog,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=heu1FVnE,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2015-02-09T18:39:23.908+0000)

FYI, they reversed the quota policy: http://esports.garena.ph/newsArticle.php?contentid=00000604

Yeah, because their worthless apology makes everything all better!

Garena is cancer.

NinjaFifer2 votes

So, unless they really are anti-gay/trans, the only reason to have this kind of ruling might be to keep the male players that they want to keep out from cross dressing and getting in anyways. That's the only situation that I can think of (aside from them possibly actually being ignorant dicks) that would prompt a ruling like that.

Now, here's the thing: This is not a game or whatever that men are inherently better at than women. They probably want to do this type of event for the same reason that gay bars exist; sometimes people want their own version of something where they can do what everyone else is doing but with people of similar interests. Women (of all types, even those with male anatomy who identify as female) just want to play a game they enjoy with fellow females. If a man cross dressed (posing as a trans woman) just to get in so he could stomp on women in a game, he's pretty much doing the same thing as faking mental retardation to win the special Olympics (sorry for sounding like I'm saying women are like mentally retarded people, just hear me out.). The social stigma of pulling a stunt like that pretty much assures that it won't happen. It would put a big old sign on his neck saying that he thinks that women suck at League, and that he needs to validate himself by beating them. Sometimes you really don't need real rules to keep people out; social mores keep a lot of people from doing bad things naturally.

lxlLilybellelxl1 votes

UM..... wtf is this? this is complete and utter bs :/

McAllister1 votes

This decision was offensive and terrible. Retracting it with a half-assed apology downgrades it from "offensive and terrible" to "embarrassing and bad." I agree that Riot shouldn't associate with companies that do offensive and terrible things, but now that Garena's done the right thing (feebly), I don't think action needs to be taken.

D0nC1 votes

Get your wigs and lipstick ready boys, time to rox the female leagues.

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