League points

Milk Puzzy·Jan 4, 2016·2 votes·827 views

Can you fix the lp system how am I supposed to rank up if I get 13 lp per win and lose 26 per loss. Then other people skip divisions for winning. Also lose full points for afkers and trolls.

14 Comments

Clown ApocalypseJan 4, 20162 votes

Lol you got downvoted for wanting the system to be fair. I still don't understand why you get punished so hard for going on winning streaks. I was b5, won 18 games in a row and all that did was get me to promos for b3. Then when I got to b3 I was getting like 13-14 points a win and losing double that. At least let me gain 13 and lose 13. As it stands now I get promoted can win 2 games, lose 1 and be at 0 LP. Win one, lose one back at 0LP. Win one lose one and get demoted. The free win in promos to get back is nice and all, but the constant back and forth is irritating. It's like I have to go back and forth 3-5 times before I finally start getting decent LP.

Deep Terror NamiJan 4, 20163 votes

The system is fair. He's getting less LP because he hasn't proven he belongs in the rank he got to. Your LP gains are based on your MMR, and if your MMR is much lower than the average of the rank you're in then you will get lower gains until you either reach the correct rank or you raise your MMR up to the rank. Ranks are just a a progression and reward system, not a direct gauge of your performance (that's MMR).

Clown ApocalypseJan 4, 20161 votes

Yeah that's not fair at all. I been at or around bronze 3 this entire season. 1400 games I've played. How can a system be fair when you aren't even allowed to know how it works and calculate for yourself? No one can point out the flaws in the system because nobody knows how it works. How perfect for them. Some kid on a new account can climb faster than me and be far worse, but I can go on 18 game win streaks and not even elevate myself two measly divisions in bronze. I guess we'll just both have to agree that what's fair is subjective. Just know that when I get an afk it's like saying fuck my last two wins. When some dude rages all game and renders himself useless, it costs me two wins. So LP losses and gains are the icing on the cake for shitty situations you find yourself in outside of your control.

Deep Terror NamiJan 4, 20163 votes

Why don't you go research how it works before claiming you've been wronged? People that are getting horrible LP gains haven't earned their Rank yet and the system is nudging them back to where they belong.

Conversely, this exact system prevents you from being demoted a ridiculous amount with no way to climb back up just because you had a bad streak.

You people want to whine about the low LP gains, but absolutely refuse to give it recognition when it's giving you good gains to help you.

Clown ApocalypseJan 5, 20161 votes

Yeah cuz I should totally have to try super hard and win 80% of my games to prove I deserve bronze 2 while other people get to just float on through winning just barely above 50% and that's supposed to be "fair" to you? That's the dumbest shit I"ve ever heard. I started at bronze 3 and randomly float up or down but I've been ~ bronze 3 since the season began. Apparently you think that getting good gains if I should happen to fall all the way to b4 or b5 is supposed to make me happy about the fact that I pretty much hit a wall when I get to b2. Talking to some of you people about their ranking system is like talking to a brick wall. You arent bronze, haven't played a thousand games in bronze, so you honestly don't know shit about how fair or unfair the system actually is at that level because you are gold. You don't have the numbers on the system just like I don't. Anything you say is pulled out of your own or riots ass. I at least have personal experience to go off of. No one even has a way of seeing what their MMR actually is. And no the system doesn't stop you from being demoted a ridiculous amount. I promote and demote pretty much every other day without any major losing streaks. It only stops you from being demoted from say silver 5 easily. You can get promoted and demoted in 5 or less games. It's like some of you people aren't even playing the same game when you cosign to the bullshit riot tells you. So yeah I pretty much disregarded everything you just said because its all hot air.

Deep Terror NamiJan 5, 20162 votes

Lol. So, what, you think the system gives you random amounts of LP or something? I can't tell you exactly what your MMR is, but if you are getting much less per win than what you lose then your MMR is definitely lower than the average of your rank. Stop your temper tantrum and just go read up on it.

Clown ApocalypseJan 5, 20161 votes

Lol saying something is bullshit when it is isn't throwing a temper tantrum it's just stating my opinion. I'm 2 tiers from all the way at the bottom. How low can my MMR be with a 50% win rate? I've won more games than I've lost but it's still almost even. So how does my MMR fall so far when I win just as much as I lose? Clearly the system is fucked up somewhere, and without the numbers on how they calculate things I couldn't begin to tell you where. You keep saying go read up on it, but there's nothing to read. If there was you would have quoted it already. Only thing you might find somewhere is a description of how they calculate it, but no formula. You don't have any answers because riot refuses to give any. Stop pretending as though you do and I just overlooked them somewhere.

Deep Terror NamiJan 5, 20162 votes

Oh, I see the problem. You think that with a 50% win rate, you will have average MMR?

You see, matches aren't always perfectly even with your and your opponent's average MMR; it's not feasible and not intended. Your MMR and LP will reflect the perceived difficulty of that difference resulting in different gains just between two back-to-back matches. Even if you win half your matches it doesn't mean your MMR is going to stay exactly where it is.

Please, just go read up on it. Riot doesn't give out your MMR, but people have gathered enough information to make rough estimations of it (such as on op.gg) and to explain how it works. It's not fucked up, you just refuse to read and want to call me a liar. I'm not going to spoon feed you all the info, especially after the poor attitude you're displaying when I try.

Don't respond to me again if you're going to keep calling me a liar without even checking to see if I am wrong.

Clown ApocalypseJan 5, 20161 votes

Not sure if you realize this or not. But almost every thread I post in its always YOU responding to ME. In fact, you respond to me so much in relationship to how rarely I post that it almost feels like online stalking. That or you have nothing better to do with your time than insert yourself into any and every conversation on the boards. Let me make this simple for you. I'm bronze 3. When I beat bronze 1 and 2 players I expect to not get piss ant little LP for beating people higher ranks than me . The more games I win in a row the harder I get penalized when I finally lose a few, effectively negating any streaks I go on. If they want to put me against a team full of bronze 5's and then give me 13 points for winning, OK, understandable. But beating people higher rank than me should never get me less points than beating people lower rank than me. That doesn't even make any sense.

You ARE a liar IMO, because I play 7x the amount of ranked games as you and everytime I make a comment about my ranked experience...here you come telling me why I'm wrong or it's my imagination, or how I SHOULD be perceiving it. Riot will tell you whatever they want to get people to spend more money or leave them the hell alone about something they don't wanna fix atm. Just like any other business and beaurocracy. This isn't the first time we've had this dumb ass discussion where you try to argue me out of my OPINION by giving your own OPINION. I said the system is unfair. You say it isn't. If you can't give me a formula that we can both go through and analyze piece by piece, you don't have any facts jack. I have 1400 games experience this year that tells me you're full of it. You're just regurgitating a response a rioter gave to someone else angry about the same thing to placate them. Just think....all the typing you've done and you could have copied cut and pasted the equation so we could decipher it. But you don't have that equation, do you?

I'm not trying to get you to agree with me. And i'd appreciate if you'd just miss me with the bullshit you keep spewing my way. You reply to MY posts. I don't reply to yours. I could do well with never speaking to you again. So how about YOU don't respond to ME anymore....EVER....about anything. Deal?

R110Jan 5, 20162 votes

where you try to argue me out of my OPINION by giving your own OPINION

Except Nami isn't stating his opinion. How often someone plays ranked is not related to knowing how a particular system works. He might have just read a lot of redposts about the subject or read the articles explaining how it works when the system was released.

If you want to know more about it I suggest you read up here: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/League_system

About LP gains I recommend the 2014 FAQ section "What determines how many league points I gain from winning a match? ".

From my lurking experience Nami is just a person who likes informing uninformed players about various topics and not some liar like you seem to believe.

Enjoy your read if you are interested.

Clown ApocalypseJan 5, 20161 votes

You do understand that my whole point was about the interaction between MMR and LP right? Not just how they calculate LP. I'm saying MMR is stupid and puts people in unfair situations where other people would be advancing but they arent. The LP should be based off the average rank of each team. Not some hidden number that can only be affected by going on obscene winning streaks with a duo partner. Apparently 18 wins and the system was like:

" Yeah he kicked the shit out of everything between B3 and B5 that came his way for 18 games, including winning 2 4 vs 5's, but we're still gonna give him LP like he deserves to be B5.....cuz MMR"

You seem to be in such a hurry to be right that you miss the whole point of what I'm saying. Because of my "MMR" I play people higher ranks than me, and win, and get 13-15 LP. Yet when I lose in those same games I lose 25-30 LP. I say it's not fair. You realize that's 7 back to back wins just to hit promos from 0 LP. If I lose 1 game I now have to win 1-3 extra games to hit promos now depending on if it was the first games I lost or not. So it's 7 in a row 8-10w and 1L, 9-11w and 2L, 10-12w and 3L, and if I lose more than 3 games I'm pretty much demoted if I didn't have at least 6 wins before it happens. Am I the only person who thinks this is a ridiculous win rate needed to go from b3 to b2 or b2 to b1? Hell I need like a 66%% win rate just to remain at the rank I am. I can't even win half of my games and stay where I am like I THOUGHT was supposed to be the case once you found your appropriate MMR for the time being. Like I said to Nami, apparently whats fair is subjective. Especially when other people aren't consistently feeling the downside of it. Meanwhile I've seen people climb to silver and stay there with far worse records.

Milk PuzzyJan 5, 20161 votes

thanks for letting me know about mmr I think I know why I was getting that score was duoing with friends that were ranks lower than me I think that is what was lowering it!

Deep Terror NamiJan 5, 20161 votes

I didn't consider that, but you're right. Duoing temporarily averages your MMR with theirs, so the matches will be more even but you'll get less LP for wins if it lowered your MMR. (otherwise it'd always be beneficial to duo with as low elo a person as possible).