Stuck in bronze/silver? Let's fix it!

ModAzure Ole··8 votes·2,618 views

I'm a plat player with, imo, good grasp on the game mechanics. I also have tutored through high school and college and thought, hey, why not combine them? Add me in game, let's duo, and chat! As day9 says, this should be where we learn to be a better gamer. Remember that I can't duo ranked with you, as difference in leagues disallows my duo-ing with silver/bronze.

Because I'm kind of one-one-one ing with people, I'll post what came out of them here (organization to follow when the list gets too big!). If you don't want me to include your summoner name, let me know and I'll edit.

  1. Reminder - All you need is a positive winrate, not 100% winrate. If you're winning 51% of your games, you'll be on your way up. Don't get disheartened if you lose a few in a row.

  2. Syruess Cole - Start Winning it in Champ Select. As a preface, the game is not won or lost in champ select. That said, in some, though not all cases, a 'trapped' BV player will have great mechanics. This was the case for Syruess Cole. Between farming, map awareness, poking, warding, and teamfight placement, he was able to take a less-than-meta pick (Brand) with a slightly unusual build and excel. Outside of maybe cleaning up his build a little bit, the only major feedback I could give was this: play a champ that's going to win the game for more than just you. Brand, for instance, even when winning the lane, finds it difficult to press the advantage. He can't really roam, has no mobility, and requires great teamwork and/or a solid wombo to come into his own in teamfights. Instead, focus on learning/practicing champs that can use this advantage. If your mechanics are far and away better than your opponent in lane, you will certainly win no matter the matchup; it's what you do with it that's important. If this means take Katarina and roam bot for more kills or play Ziggs and keep a whole lotta pressure going all the time, so be it!

A few champs tread the line between accessibility and carry potential, so here are some suggestions

  • JarvanIV Khazix Vi all bring great things to the table. Kha damage, J4 cc, and Vi's target elimination are all really strong right now

  • Akali Fizz Syndra Talon Okay fine maybe syndra isn't easy, but each of these champs has the ability to, when ahead, make it very difficult for opponents to recover

The reason I point out mid/jungle in particular are the roles' ability to affect ALL players during early-mid game, rather than just you or, in the support's case, your adc. Does this mean try going for mid/jungle? By all means! Does this mean being last pick and locking mid even though someone else called it? I hope you get reported!

TL;DR: Take a dominant champ with ability to influence other lanes. If you are as good as you think you are, this will put EVERYONE ahead

**LAST NOTE: THIS IS A GREAT THREAD TO FIND LIKE-MINDED PEOPLE. TRY DUOING WITH SOMEONE WHO IS IN YOUR SITUATION. IN MY OPINION 3 RANDOS AND 2 GOODKIDS WILL BEAT 5 RANDOS THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME, AND THAT'S ALL YOU NEED TO CLIMB: A MAJORITY. **

37 Comments

Syruess Cole2 votes

hey i wouldn't mind partnering with you. I'm an experianced player with very bad luck stuck in bronze 5 am very friendly got ribbon and all to prove it ;) would love the help getting outta bronze

Rustling Bush1 votes

hey i wouldn't mind partnering with you. I'm an experianced player with very bad luck stuck in bronze 5 am very friendly got ribbon and all to prove it ;) would love the help getting outta bronze

i really doubt its bad luck that got you into bronze 5. don't get me wrong and its true that luck does play a factor in it, but your in bronze because your mmr reflected it when you went into your promotional series, and by the time you play rank, you had like what, 60 to 70 games under your belt per new lv 30 account. can't say its all bad luck that got you into that rank with that many games

ModAzure Ole2 votes

I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. In Syruess's case, he won 6/10 placement matches and got put in BV. A dubious claim, I thought, but after a game I know he's been shafted: his command over the mechanics of the game, from farming to warding to map awareness, are all much stronger than what I would expect in bronze level games. Check above for what I felt was in his way.

Syruess Cole1 votes

actually it was bad luck i mean granted now i know so much more then back then but my original games were 6/10 wins= bronze 5 while i only supported 3 of those games i carried 2 to 4 of them, but i worked my way up to bronze 4 and at the end of season 3s reset it threw me back in so it was a series of bad luck for a while but now im working my way out and see what happens

DrCyanide1 votes

I've got a quick question that, if answered, could probably help me climb.

How do you balance playing League with friends and playing solo ranked?

My wife seems to get extremely frustrated when we duo-queue together, and it's not uncommon for me to have 3-4 friends on at a time, but seldom 5. These are all friends I have in real life, not "friends" from random games.

Matthevv1 votes

How do you balance playing League with friends and playing solo ranked?

You don't have to play solo queue to get better at the game. Just playing normals with friends and family can help you get better. I rarely play ranked and play mostly normals with friends and I was able to attain diamond. You just need to work on personally improving yourself while your friends goof off.

DrCyanide1 votes

How do you balance playing League with friends and playing solo ranked?

You don't have to play solo queue to get better at the game. Just playing normals with friends and family can help you get better. I rarely play ranked and play mostly normals with friends and I was able to attain diamond. You just need to work on personally improving yourself while your friends goof off.

You misunderstand my situation. I don't think I played enough ranked games this season to find out what division I would really belong to. I didn't play enough to get to "elo hell" (aka: my skill cap).

Part of that may have been me starting ranked fairly late into the season, and part of that is that I play more games with my friends than without them. My friends and I all play our best in Normals, and I know I've become a better player this season. I also regularly play League with my wife, and there are few times when I get on that she doesn't want to also get on (as previously mentioned, Duo Queue stresses her out too much for that to be an option).

ModAzure Ole1 votes

I know that playing league with a partner that makes a mistake can activate the Gnar rage gene in all of us. That and the pressure in ranked games requires a nearly zen-like state going into it to stay even-keeled throughout the match, but here's about how I feel:

I have very few friends that I would trust with my ranked game. Think about a friend, and then "Would I feel comfortable supporting his ADC and be confident in the outcome of the game?". If the answer is no, try sticking to norms or ARAM with them. League definitely allows you to have a good time with your friends but... ranked isn't the environment I would try to have it. In the meantime, if you're trying to climb, try playing solo for a few games, then duo for a few more. How did each make you feel? Are you more stressed when duo'd? Stop doing duo. Do you feel like you're good but not making enough of an impact in solo? Try sticking to duo and practice champs solo in norms.

Hoped this helped, Blue

YoungFishFillet1 votes

Im in bronze 1 from s4. I m so down to get back to silver. Add me YoungFishFillet

ModAzure Ole1 votes

I can't duo with you because of the league difference, but I can play a normal game with you and see what I can do to improve your game. What do you think?

YoungFishFillet1 votes

Totally fine with me

Snowey1 votes

I'm Gold 5, pretty fond on the game, I play ADC a lot and I just need to know when is the correct time to farm or to group with the team outside of lane phase? I see people in high elo getting consistent farm throughout the game, I can get the 70 or so farm at 10 minutes (unless I am getting loads of kills) but after lane phase it goes wayyyy too far off the "70 CS per 10 minutes."

Snowey1 votes

I probably could have gotten higher into Gold, perhaps Plat but I quit playing as soon as I got into Gold about 4 months ago. I am destroying most of the lanes I go into.

ModAzure Ole1 votes

Your goal of 70cs/10m is like... about as high a standard as you could hold yourself to. If you're pulling cs like that in G5 you're always going to have a gold advantage out of lane (unless you're feeding), and that's great.

It's impossible to say exactly when your team is going to begin to group, and even harder to say when exactly you're going to be needed for skirmishes, but here's what I suggest: upon leaving bot for an extended period of time, there will be a time when an enemy creep wave pushes your way. All it takes is a quick trip down there, a few aa's, and boom, 20 minions. That and the occasional jungle camp when you know you're not taking it from your jungler can really keep up your mid-late cs. Do not, however, simply go and get whatever creep wave you see. Balance it with the conditions of:

  • How are objectives? Are dragon/turrets vulnerable to your team right now? If so, target the objective
  • Where is the enemy team? Are they flirting around engage range? Are they in the jungle? Do you have no idea where they are? If the answer is yes to any, don't rush to grab more cs.

And also

  • Will my momentary absence be of negative significance to the team? Kinda straightforward. You don't wanna go bot if the other 9 players are maneuvering around baron pit.

Good times to go grab cs? After a teamfight and people are dead/going b. After an enemy gets caught out but you can't engage their team. Before some skirmish mid gets too out of hand. Also, communication can help you out. A simple "heading bot real quick" or "care, brb" not only alerts the team as to what you're doing, but will influence how they act. They probably won't go in that second. PROBABLY.

Finally, be assertive, not aggressive in csing. Don't push into enemy territory without sight, don't go and nab top's farm when you're already way ahead of him, and so on.

QuantumLight1 votes

Whats the adviasable cs rate? thought it was 100cs/10min but that allways seemed unrealistic to me.

ModAzure Ole1 votes

100cs/10m is a huge proportion of minions. A high end goal, like pretty much top notch, is 70cs/min.

Let's break it down: Minions spawn every 30 seconds. Each wave is 6 minions, unless there's a siege minion, in which case there are 7 minions. In ten minutes, there will be a total if 123 minions. Of course, you can't expect yourself to get all, or nearly all, of the spawned minions, as you'll go b, you might roam, but, most importantly, you have a lane opponent that you will skirmish with and who will try to stop you from farming.

Remember that lane interaction ramps up as time goes on, so early cs in lane is easier. I like to shoot for 70 by 10 minutes, and 140 by twenty minutes. I'd certainly consider this a 'good game'. If you consistently do better than this, you should either be climbing right now or focusing on improving a different area of your game.

QuantumLight2 votes

I am climbing, main problem is lack of ranked play :P

I was just wondering because i only ever get about 70cs/10min, and that was not what i should be getting according to all these other sources.

TY :D

WiseFrozenNinja1 votes

you should strive for around 100 in 12 mins, after that 200 in 20 is great

ModAzure Ole1 votes

I WOULD CONSIDER THIS TOO HIGH OF A STANDARD

If this is what you're getting, ninja, please represent us at world's next season. As for your recent games, it appears to me that you should strive for a more realistic goal.

logique1 votes

Hey you'd duo with any role? I can't seem to carry from the jungle but I'm not playing those champs you mentioned. I got fucked with nerfs towards the end of the season.

ModAzure Ole1 votes

I feel comfortable in any role! If you're looking to jungle, I'd be happy to work with you, but bear in mind jungle is my weakest role. You may be able to find better information from people with more of a jungle concentration. Trick2g comes to mind, but he doesn't exactly play meta junglers right now.

If you still wanna duo, hit me up! I'll do what I can!

nvrdone1 votes

This is awesome!!! I hit the wall when I got to plat and have tried helping others as well but I fail as a teacher/tutor/mentor so more power too you!!

TheFD1 votes

IN MY OPINION 3 RANDOS AND 2 GOODKIDS WILL BEAT 5 RANDOS THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME, AND THAT'S ALL YOU NEED TO CLIMB: A MAJORITY.

This exactly.

I finished in diamond this season. Which is a step up from the Gold, Platinum and Platinum of the first three seasons. I didn't do it by getting frustrated when I wasn't winning 70% of my games. I did it by knowing that I just needed to win more often than I lost over the long haul.
My win% this season? Just under 53%. That's not a very sexy win rate too look at. It means that when I played 100 games I would win 53 times and lose 47 times. that sounds like a lot of losses, but it was still good enough for diamond this time around.

But I would take that quote a step further though and say that 4 random players and 1 good player, will win more than 50% of the time against 5 random players. On my team there are 4 chances I'll get someone bad. On my opponents team there are 5 chances they will get someone bad. That makes it my job to exploit their bad players (of which there is a 25% greater chance of their to be) before their good players exploit the bad players on my team. As long as YOU aren't the one playing bad game in and game out, you should always find more bad players on your opponents team.

Gangbangin1011 votes

Hey there, fairly new player here but I'm a veteran gamer and I picked up League pretty quickly. I fooled around for a while in unranked focusing on buying T3 runes and a few select champions I thought I'd like. Finally managed to get into ranked games after about 3 months at lvl 30. I was placed in Silver 4 but was quickly brought down to Silver 5, and now I have 0 points in Silver 5. I definitely feel like I play better than my team most of the time. I can play every role except mid lane because I don't have any ideal champions for ranked games. I also know there are things I could be doing better as I tend to play on the safer side of things usually. I normally don't press the issue when it comes to trades unless I know for a fact I'll win it 90% of the time. I'm perfectly content just CSing, pushing the lane, and winning that way. I carry pretty well in unranked games for w/e that's worth, but I'd like to be able to carry in ranked more consistently.

ModAzure Ole1 votes

I'd be happy to play a game in norms with you, or spectate a ranked game if you feel that's a different environment for you.

I understand the appeal of playing defensively, but at the same time the greatest situation you can make for yourself is high farm and kills or flat-out denial of opponent's farm. Learn your way around 'safe engagers' first, and try adding some aggression to your play. I would consider these to be champs like Ahri Leblanc LeeSin Yasuo Zed Tristana Alistar

Although their engages might not be ideal, they have the ability to back off an initiated engage, allowing you to test the waters, so to speak

Creamy Seaman1 votes

Every point you make is invalid after you say "syndra isn't easy."

ModAzure Ole1 votes

To each their own! I'd still rate her more difficult than talon/kat/akali/ziggs/lulu and so on

Creamy Seaman1 votes

I think you mean easier. Here. Let me give you a tutorial. Step 1. Spam q as much as possible Step 2. Miss every non ult ability. Step 3. Ignite + DFG + Ult

ModAzure Ole2 votes

Wow, sounds like syndra kicked one of her balls directly up your ass! Despite the fact that the balls dissipate after a few seconds, you might want to get a colonoscopy to assess the damage and take appropriate medical action!

AnAggravatedPimp1 votes

Wow, sounds like syndra kicked one of her balls directly up your ass! Despite the fact that the balls dissipate after a few seconds, you might want to get a colonoscopy to assess the damage and take appropriate medical action!

Damn that was mean. I love it.

On topic would you mind spectating a game or two of mine. I'm pretty(completely) positive of what I'm doing wrong but a second opinion and a bit of advice wouldn't hurt.

ModAzure Ole1 votes

I'll add you in game!

AnAggravatedPimp1 votes

I'll add you in game!

Neat. I won't be on until tomorrow though.

Shurima Law1 votes

Be sure to mention that losses are normal. You will progress as long as you keep a steady above 50% winrate. Do not get frustrated after a loss or two or three. There will be a compensating win streak in the near future as long as you stay positive and do what you can to win games. Remember, the only variable you have control over is your own skill, which is what will offset the average 50% winrate. Tell yourself that every game, because it seems to me that everyone thinks they receive the worst luck in terms of matchmaking. So what if you got unlucky one time? There is most definitely a "lucky" game waiting around the corner, which will even the playing field. Of course, statistics don't work with a low number of games played, you need to play many games for these statistics to take noticeable effect. Be the reason your team wins even just by a little, and over time you'll see the progress. And if that doesn't convince you, I made diamond with that mindset. Take it from me, math has never failed me.

On that note, feel free to add me in game if you want any of my advice. Also, since minions spawn at 1:30 and reach lane around 1:55, use that as the base of the "10 min, 100 cs" rule. I mean that will only ever happen under the most optimal conditions (like an afk opponent xD), but 80-90 every 10 min is very doable. Keep this up until at least 30 min and you should be fine afterwards with just teamfight gold even if you aren't max build yet.

ModAzure Ole1 votes

This is a great point. Will add. Thanks!

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