Purple team needs to see!

Havitas··11 votes·767 views

In the bot lane (maybe mid) blue champs can easily be hidden under the HUD, which allows a somewhat advantage to the blue champs in bot lane. In one match, I was playing against Thresh and his Q ability caused half of the deaths in that game. I think Riot should put an option (for blue or purple team) to flip their HUD upside down so the big Ability screen and mini map won't block any champs from easily getting ganked from the enemy team even if they're a tank.

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JackAqua3 votes

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TaintedTaint1 votes

this post lowered the validity of the issue by +1.

Mugihime3 votes

I have tried to use the unlocked mode but I can't seem to even get used to it. Constantly moving the screen, to me, is frustrating and tedious. When I try to land skillshots in unlocked mode, I will usually move the camera to my enemy, however, the screen is not big enough to let me see myself, so if anyone comes to gank from behind, I won't even notice it and will have a hard time to react quick enough before I die. The vision problem for the purple team is even prominent for champions that heavily rely on skill shots like Lux, it's harder to aim as you are not able to see the enemy champion easily.

People have been suggesting 90 degree turns to the map but I feel that I would be most comfortable with a 180 degree turn so that it would be exactly like the blue team. The only thing different would be the river and the dragon and baron positions.

Maybe Riot does not want to change the purple team because it is going to be harder to explain where some objectives are as they will differ with the blue team which might occur even if a 90 degree turn or 180 degree turn would be implemented.

All this is just my point of view and speculation so I may not be accurate and this might differ from your user experience and perspective and in that case, I would gladly hear about them.

QMD3 votes

Agreed 100%, There is the only option to unlock screen, in which I hate doing bc I seem to drag the screen way to far over and stuff resulting in many deaths.

Pr1m3T1m32 votes

I HAVE THE SOLUTION. Why not give the option to move the hud? Many game do that and insteaof having to switch the camera and confusing players with map locations, why not just have the hud be able to switch to the top of the screen? you can still see it but it wouldn't hide people in the hud. Genius.

Bolraguard1 votes

Your thought process is atounding.. golf clap ...

Not sure if the +1 is from someone understandig my sarcasim or if they actually dont understand..

But point blank, it is NOT a solution, its a Bandaid..

Oh one more thing, If changeing the camera view direction is a problem for unlocked camera players, then dont click the damn option...

TaintedTaint1 votes

With the way the game was first programed, this is all but impossible with the way they designed how skills are aimed and the distance they travel. RIOT would have to completely redesign the game to do this. I do agree it should be possible, but it will never happen until either a sequel or a RE-release of the game... like League 2.0 kinda deal.

Bolraguard6 votes

Actually, your right (I think) but However, Riot would make the game 100X better by doign a simple 90* map rotation for purple side.

Put purpler lower right going up left, problem solved.

TaintedTaint1 votes

...Now there is an idea... I wonder how easy that would be.

Bolraguard2 votes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40MKd6d_hoQ

This is the Instalok Donger song, obviously they are useing 3rd part software.. BUT, if you watch it... you will see just how easy it is to manipulate a camera.

But honestly, i would be extremely happy if this happened, id even go learn how to adc...or support.. but if im on purple.. all i wanna do in jungle.. because then its normal for me to face check bushes.

IMPORT NOTE HERE

If you watch the video, pause it at 32.5 seconds.. yes i said 32.5 -- that is Exactly how the starting area should look when your on purple team... it is 100% perfect... (Well except it needs to meet the same scrollout and Tilt as if you were on blue). but its the Direction it is facing.. THAT is the important thing.

blockhead31422 votes

I don't see why. All it would take would be a simple update to the UI. I'm not sure we're thinking of the same thing here. My interpretation of the suggestion was that the ability bar and minimap would be moved to the top of the screen, so as not to cover the bottom of the screen where blue players are likely to be. What was your interpretation?

Drunk Old Man3 votes

I have to disagree on this. The client is fully capable of rotating the camera as-is, and just changing the draw routines to draw everything from the blue perspective would not take a redesign or re-release.

TaintedTaint1 votes

The draw isn't the issue, it's the way the abilities hit the enemies. the Hit box's are not 3d boxes or boxes that wrap around the physical shape of the champ, it's altered to match the view point. That way a skill shot that clips the champs VISIBLE head from that angle, it will actually hit, when in reality the graphic passes behind the champs head.

Drunk Old Man2 votes

..no, I don't think that's how RIOT does it. And if it is, they really need to change it. Whether or not a skillshot hits is calculated by the server and not the client, because otherwise it'd be too easy to mod/hack. Traditionally, an algorithm takes into account the coordinates and the mesh size of the champion's model; which is very simple. The viewpoint angle should have absolutely bar none nothing to do with whether or not a skillshot hits, since everything actually moves on a 2D plane (x; y). You can prove this by using something like LoLReplay (or w/e it's called) which is able to render the same scene at any angle, since it's actually moved on a 2D coordinate plane.

TaintedTaint1 votes

Hey it was just a guess lol. For the record, I am all for a free moving HUD, or changing the view to make it fair.

Drunk Old Man1 votes

It's not a bad guess, and a lot of people would probably make the same guess since it's easy to mistake the way LoL renders the map/champs/minions/etc. I'm leaning towards the view change, but if they're lazy, moving the HUD would still be nice..

Jambi1 votes

Hmm.. Try playing unlocked.

MackleDoge3 votes

Hmmm...some people don't like unlocked.

TaintedTaint1 votes

Well if you want be better, you need to play unlocked. You are only hurting yourself by not unlocking your camera. If you don't like scrolling the map with your mouse, try using WSAD for map controls, and using 1,2,3,4 for your spells instead of QWER. That is what I do. with my summoners being E,R, and my items being random buttons around my left hand.

MackleDoge2 votes

Who are you to say whether or not my play would be improved from playing unlocked? You do realize how ridiculous it is to say 100% of people would be better if they play with unlocked right? Sometimes that just doesn't mesh with peoples' coordination or its not a comfortable manner for them to play in. Personally I don't bother because I mainly play ARAM or mess around with friends (in between school and work I can't be bothered with the proper attention ranked deserves).

TaintedTaint1 votes

Whooooa the rage is strong...

I can understand if you are mostly into casual play styles and that's fine. But learning how to use Unlocked camera has no downside, only benefits. You can see farther in front or behind your champ in a moments notice, and can aim long range skill shots much better from Purple side.

Sorry if you found my statement insulting, but locked camera is a crutch, and ultimately leaves you with less vision then a locked camera.

MackleDoge2 votes

*On Purple Side. You can manage vision and map awareness with complete functionality with a locked camera in my opinion. I wasn't meaning to flame you, and I'm not saying you're inherently wrong. I just dislike when people assume that what they prefer is better for every single other individual regardless of circumstance. I wasn't insulted and I hope I didn't make you feel insulted, wasn't my intention at all. I just don't see why it isn't obvious that purple side has a disadvantage, unlocked or locked. I mean, even if you play with unlocked camera the UI still can obscure the minions, enemy champions, etc right? I know it does for me and I think we can both agree that there is a fairly decent size population that agrees with me. Besides, aren't we ignoring the fact that purple side statistically loses more games? I just think it's a little silly to say that the altered viewpoint and vision range/control don't have anything to do with that.

TaintedTaint1 votes

Oh without a doubt it still causes some trouble. But I reduced that problem by reducing the size of my UI. Plus there are mods (shouldn't have to GET mods might you) that allow you to move pieces of the HUD, or make them transparent.

Bolraguard2 votes

The rage is strong? - What kinda moron are you?, Guys not rageing, hes; making a valid point. and i completely agree with his statement, how about i tell you, you would play better with my controls in a FPS game? - i gurantee you my controls are fucked up and i only know of 2 maybe 3 people in the world that understand my controls.

TaintedTaint1 votes

If you gave me reasons that it was better I would listen for sure. There is factual evidence as to why it's better.

Bolraguard1 votes

What are you trying to get here? We are asking for a window modification, (That should be player optional), Riot knows the Camera view benefits blue side. thats all there is too it.

The controls arent the problem, its the View. No matter which way you stare at horses ass, its still a horses ass.

So, for my FPS controls I'll name only 2 buttons and you'll see how my controls are probably differant than 98% of gamers.

Forward = Mouse 2 Backwards = Spacebar

It doesnt prevent me from playing a FPS because the view is the same regardless of my controls.

Why cant the View be the same, regardless of what team your on?

I dont care if purplse is mirrored to start is lower left like blue, or right side like i have been requesting for atleast 2-3months or longer. i dont even know how long anymore.

The simple thing is Riot needs to do something because doing nothing means loseing players, loseing players means loseing sales and word of mouth that you do NOT want to play LoL. Its already widely known for being the worst community in gamer history for players bashing each other.

Bolraguard2 votes

I would like to see Riot remove unlocked camera from the game for 1 week, and force all players to play from the purple view.

KayyFlameShawty1 votes

The simplest solution to this problem would be to change the purple team to the blue team's viewpoint as well. That way everybody would "FEEL" like they're fighting the "Purple team".

Bottom lane is a headache when you're on the Purple Team, however you do it, just fix it pls. Nidalee

Bolraguard1 votes

The issue with this is because players had bot and top confused, However.. This would not be a problem if riot added something else i proposed also.

Replace Baron with a 2nd Dragon.. and have it where Dragon has to die three times to get Baron to spawn. Or atleast 2 times.. The whole purpose for putting 2 bot, is so they can help jungler get Dragon once bot lane is forced to back.

a Second Dragon being a spawn holder for Baron would be a great idea, also should both dragons be killed enough. you get 2 Barons up. That would be entertaining to watch a fight at.

Drunk Old Man1 votes

I don't think I find any issues with sight. I do have to agree, that if you want to play "better" you should play with your camera unlocked. For example, do you really need to see an area behind you the size of half your screen? That's what the mini-map is for! You only need to see where the enemies are or could be!

My main gripe about being on the purple side, is that I've experienced (and had validated by numerous other players) that using skillshots from above instead of below seems to have a drastically lower success rate. I'm not sure why; it's probably just something mental, but there is in fact a disadvantage when you're on the purple side, which kills the balance of the game a bit. Granted, this isn't nearly as awful on TTT or HA, but on SR it's just plain bad. Champions like Nidalee; Blitzcrank; Jinx and more seem to have a rather large advantage when on the blue-side.

Can we get some input from maybe some of the design guys from RIOT? I know the limitations of the client itself, and I know that it's quite possible to have both players looking at the map from the blue-team's perspective since the map is (for the most part) entirely 3D models being viewed from a semi-isometric camera angle. Just moving the camera (or just changing the draw methods to always draw you on the "blue side") would solve the issue just fine.

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