Kindof want people's opinion about something

Despina Vadamus·Jun 11, 2015·1 votes·732 views

Ok, so... I've been playing Sona and she's basically became my main support for games. Usually I would use my autoattacks to damage minions down low enough for my adc to finish them off and get fed quicker. Had no problems until now with some kind of Ezreal player complaining like a 5 year old about apparently, and I quote, "you don't hit the god damn minions unless you have targons brace". He then proceeded to INTENTIONALLY feed the other team the entire game just because of that.

I guess what I'm trying to ask is, is this REALLY that big of a deal in a random game? I honestly don't get what the problem is here.

10 Comments

DrackolusJun 11, 20152 votes

It's complicated. The simple answer is that normally a support hits creeps to push the lane. When you do this is somewhat nuanced, but essentially you frequently push at the beginning if you want to hit the early 2 or 3 (which is NOT always - don't fall into that trap), or when you push the enemy out of lane and you want to push up to the tower before going back to base or going for dragon, or even to take the tower if it's low enough or you have Jinx. Pushing at the wrong time opens you up to ganks, and gives you less running room and them more. In such a case, you want to only last hit, ideally after the last minion attack starts but before it hits, so you have the smallest effect on the lane. This means only the marksman should be hitting. The only other time I can think of to hit creeps is to help your marksman under tower, but if both you and the marksman aren't fairly good at this you will do more harm than good. I usually don't try unless I've noticed the marksman is very good at farming. Kalista provides an exception: if you "click" well with one and have a lot of practice supporting her, you can help farm very effectively, since her passive causes the minion gold to go to her. But, also, when you DO attack minions, you still don't want to make it impossible for the marksman to farm. Try to make sure there are never two minions at "kill range" at once, since the marksman can't get them both that way. This will take practice. Sometimes, though, inexperienced marksmen will get lost and miss more when you do it perfectly than if you didn't do it at all. Usually though, the benefits of pushing at the right time outweigh a couple lost farm. I see this most frequently in solo-laners who are pushed into the marksman role, since they're not used to taking into account another champion's damage. Pushing at the wrong time AND causing the marksman to lose farm, however... That being said, it's probably better to err on the side of caution. Doing it at the wrong time in the wrong way is usually worse than not doing it at all - though not always.

Despina VadamusJun 11, 20152 votes

I have had practice about prepping the minions for my adc so every 10-20 minions I may accidentally take the kill instead but I do sort of see your point. I usually try to leave just enough so that they are able to get that final hit, though my playstyle with Sona is being a bit aggressive with her so I had developed in trying to feed my adc as fast as possible, but I guess it is not always the best solution. But thanks for the explanation.

DrackolusJun 11, 20152 votes

Sometimes, constant pushing is a great idea. If you're Annie Jinx against a Sivir Braum , you may want to be pushing constantly, especially if you're already ahead. You can keep enough pressure to let Jinx hit the tower a ton and take it down quickly, possibly giving you a dragon and a mid push to boot. Pressuring a tower with two people, especially when one is a marksman, can take it down VERY quickly, so if you can get away with it, it will probably be worth it.

disregardableJun 11, 20151 votes

YES. YES. YES. YES. Yes. If you hit the minions, you're getting flamed, reported, and left for dead if the opportunity comes up. End discussion.

Despina VadamusJun 11, 20151 votes

Ok I do need an explanation, how so? I was thinking damaging the minions to help feed my adc quicker would be a huge benefit than to do nothing at all. I know what Targon's Brace does, but I don't get the damaging without it part.

insaiyanbaccaJun 11, 20153 votes

ignore him most adc's who know what they are doing dont have a big deal with it unless they want the lane frozen, good adc's also dont flame. so only time you shouldnt auto minion is if they want to freeze lane and most will tell you if they want to freeze.

Despina VadamusJun 11, 20151 votes

I see, well thanks for the info. It was causing me confusion in wondering why they (I would put the name but pretty sure that's against the rules hah) were being childish about it.

DrackolusJun 11, 20151 votes

Man, those lcs supports must REALLY not know what the hell they're doing when they hit minions. There's NEVER a reason to do that.

HoIy BananaJun 11, 20151 votes

Well I guess if you're freezing lane and trying to deny farm from enemy adc, don't attack minions. As support, I usually just poke and harass enemy bot duo. Also, you know how for melee minions after two tower hits one basic attack from any adc will usually finish it off? Well sometimes, when the support attacks it I have no way to get that cs without maybe having to burn my spell. Yes, that part is annoying. Besides that though, I don't think most adc really care.

Despina VadamusJun 11, 20151 votes

I usually try to hit them to be low enough so that my adc can one shot the minion, but to what I'm seeing I should try to play less aggressively and attack minions at specific situations.