If you have ever played League Of Legends you will know there are loads of toxic people and talking to them would be awful, would make the game experience 10x worse, and above that if someone is toxic and you report them it is going to take longer for them to be punished because they're going to need to listen to the conversation, and its just going to have a negative affect on league.
P.S. Upvote if you agree.
Serevas57 votesI upvoted, but prepare for the flood of downvotes. The last thing I need is some 8 year old with mom's credit card screaming in my ears during the game.
UB3R 1337 H4X22 votesThat's the beauty of league, they don;t even need Mommy's credit card.
GrReaper9641 votesIf they let us mute keyboard chat they'll let us mute voice chat. Problem solved.
DrCyanide24 votesNo, problem very much not solved.
People tend not to ping when they're on voice chat. When you mute the text of someone, they still ping what's important. When you mute the voice, you have no communication whatsoever unless someone parrots it for you.
So now instead of having better communication with the team, you've created worse communication. Not a good situation to be in.
Duhpope10 votesThis is definitely an interesting point. I was on the side of voice chat in league, and kinda would still like to see it implemented somehow, but I agree it might cause issues with people muting and thenceforth not getting the info they may need or want from players who are screaming at them to no avail. I like the thought of an opt in/out setup, but even then it's gonna be like
"Alright here we go, voice chat's live and I'm trying it out!" Clicks 'Opt In'
"Indistinct background chatter and feedback MAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMM!! WHERE'S MY FREAKING POP TART?!"
"Nope." Opts back out
Solitair23 votesThere's also the issue of female league players. Females who openly reveal their sex tend to be seen as doing it for special treatment, that goes double for females that have "cute" voices. If you choose to use a voice chat feature, you're choosing to reveal your sex unless you have a really manly voice or use voice changing software. I don't like dealing with the stigma of being thought of as a female gamer, so I will not be using this feature.
6KEMBE4ORBA4 votesThis is a non-issue as it can be/is already solved in another games.
Riot needs to make fair grounds for everyone by implementing in-built VOIP thus actually encouraging the teamwork they so much speak of and are using as an argument for their stance on game design choices.
Moreover, it's entirely logical to provide such a feature and its implementation is long overdue.
It will also come with a mute/opt-out option for those that don't want to use it for whatever reasons - objective or subjective.
GayFluffyUnicorn3 votesYeah why going for the easy and logical route---> SoloQ and DynQ for ranked 5v5 with two seperate mmr ladders. Nope better implement a completely new system which isn't perfect at all and will cause other issues needed to be solved.
MonkeyMadness15 votesOK, big difference between typing "I'm a girl" and speaking with an obvious female voice. If you type into LoL chat "I'm a girl" you ARE doing it for attention, so expect to get it. If you speak into a voice chat system and it's obvious that you are a girl, most people will think nothing of it. Obviously there will be some creeps that will start saying shit, but I feel that this will be the minority.
It Hertz When IP10 votesThis. Stereotypes aside, every time in a VoIP enabled game that I've heard a female gamer speak up for the first time, the overwhelming majority of male gamers just go "meh" and keep on playing. The ones that do start up with the harassment are the kind of immature shits that were probably going to harass people anyway, and are the reason that Mute buttons exist.
Cyndercat2 votesMaybe we have been playing different games. Im a girl and I now just never ever turn on voice chat in any game due to the amount of harassment ive had in the past from using it in games. It doesnt happen every time, not even the majority of the time, but its certainly often enough to put me off ever wanting to speak to strangers in online games again.
Also id like to add that in ALOT of games, men dont sexually harass you but act...strange and overly nice with constant compliments and flirting/following you around and 'defending you' ect. Its not inherently bad but it gets annoying and is honestly creepy and they arent acting natural. Id rather they just ignore my gender altogether.
Solitair4 votesEh, not exactly. Even when asked questions pertaining to being a female w/in league discussion forums, wherein it is relevant to announce your own sex, I still see and have gotten the "why did you say you're a girl" treatment. Yea, there are females or guys pretending to be females that get their kicks from announcing a female sex and then recieving special attention, but the hatred of that act spills onto accidental, absentminded, reasonable, or inevitable instances of revealed sex. To be honest, its worse in the league community than in other games I've played. I've always hidden my sex, but in more personal guild environments of MMO's, people interact like friend groups and sex becomes a non-issue. I just didn't like people going easy on me in PvP, which happens sometimes if you're female.
Whereas, In league, you can get attacked for just sounding cute. I've seen enough from the example of the hatred Lilypichu gets. She's the farthest you can get from a titty streamer, but people still direct that titty-boiled hatred at her because their voice-boners won't(or will?) stand for such indecency. There's just a degree of extra scrutiny that get's applied when the can of female worms is opened, and I'd rather not open that. Thus, I will not use voice chat. In the gaming world in general, I never thought of sexism as really being an issue. I hardly experienced it. It's really just league that's like this. Girls are the ass-end of a lot of jokes here, and there's some sort of anti-girl hypervigilance in some people; where you have to hunt for imaginary female sins, otherwise you're a "white knight". As far as I've seen in other games, it's not an issue. It's literally only here, out of all the games I've been on. No surprise either, toxic community.
TruckFump20167 votes[{quoted}](name=Intrepid 07,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=Z4UIZEp9,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2016-07-01T05:56:31.959+0000)
There's also the issue of female league players. Females who openly reveal their sex tend to be seen as doing it for special treatment, that goes double for females that have "cute" voices. If you choose to use a voice chat feature, you're choosing to reveal your sex unless you have a really manly voice or use voice changing software. I don't like dealing with the stigma of being thought of as a female gamer, so I will not be using this feature.
I hate the way girls are treated in any online medium with voice chat.
It tends toward super negative / creepy or super positive / creepy. Follow them around, tell them everything they do is great, and desperately try to befriend and add, or be a complete vulgar ass and talk shit or say inappropriate things.
Lilly May2 votes[{quoted}](name=Intrepid 07,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=Z4UIZEp9,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2016-07-01T05:56:31.959+0000)
There's also the issue of female league players. Females who openly reveal their sex tend to be seen as doing it for special treatment, that goes double for females that have "cute" voices. If you choose to use a voice chat feature, you're choosing to reveal your sex unless you have a really manly voice or use voice changing software. I don't like dealing with the stigma of being thought of as a female gamer, so I will not be using this feature.
I was just thinking this and thank you so much for pointing it out. It's bad enough that I have people asking in chat if I'm a girl (or "grill", cause thats an A+ joke...) based on my name and then having creeps try and add me to their premades post game and say all this weird flirty stuff thats just cringey. Or the opposite where I could make a mistake in game or just do anything that could be considered wrong and have some kid go "and this is why girls should never play games". Sure, it doesn't happen a lot, but it happens enough times that it is a concern. Muting will help but that will only happen after I have to check and talk in game to see the other players reactions. I don't want voice chat really, but I understand why lots of people do. As long as it has mute options I wont mind it being implemented at all
HaloDragonX13 votesOptional voice chat with a mute sounds and mute mic button, PROBLEM SOLVED
Raeyxx13 votesMy concern with the addition of voice chat is that people on your teams WILL expect you to use it.
Which might be fine with some people.
But I am a female player and it is obvious when you hear me. (Xbox was a fine example in that.) And, as other female players have probably experienced, a chunk of the gaming community loves to get really sexist when they find out you're a girl. I've written novel-long reports on creeps like that.
Besides, how would you report harassment through voice chat? Will Riot record the conversations? :/
MonkeyMadness4 votesVoice recording software works wonders at converting speech to text. I'm sure Riot could implement something like that for the purpose of reporting.
Raeyxx3 votesI suppose so. I guess I would want to see that in action before I could really feel that it would be super effective.
Initial concern still stands though. Not sure I want to mess with XboxLive 2.0.
Shac Norris10 votesYou are toxic in voice chat, you are BANNED from voice chat. It would be a toxicity fest for the first week or two, but it could only get better and better with the salty people getting the privilege taken away from them.
DrCyanide4 votesOK, how do you verify they were toxic in voice chat? Save untold terabytes of audio files per day to review? That'll have a massive server requirement, in a system where not ever replays are saved. Voice-to-text the audio and run it through the existing system? Because no one has ever been misunderstood by Siri or Ok Google...
Shac Norris4 votesIt records every game, but only keeps the data when someone is reported for being toxic in voice chat.
DrCyanide5 votesLets assume the stats from here are still accurate, and make the following assumptions:
With those assumptions, a single report would generate a file 16.8 Mb in size, but there are 1.2 million reports daily, which results in 20.6 Terabytes of audio files per day.
You've still got to verify that those reports were accurate.
Battlecast Sona7 votesimo people are less toxic on VoIP than they are in chat because you can actually hear the voice of the other person. It's harder to de-humanize them as you're screaming obscenities - not that people will always care. But in my experience in DotA2 (with built in VoIP) maybe like 80% of my voice chat interactions have been civil if not polite.
layrit7 votesEvery single system in the world can be abused.
Instead of looking into how it will be abused (because that can be fixed by simply muting the person) you should look into how it can improve the communication and coordination.
V Khat6 votesThey need to include something never added in the history voice chat in online gaming, a script that you can toggle and it will mute them! Revolutionary! Right?
MonkeyMadness6 votesHonestly, I find it much more difficult to be rude and toxic to others when in actual voice chat. It's obviously more personal and therefore you can't just hide behind your keyboard like you can with type chat. I feel more responsible for my spoken words then when I'm just typing.
Around999People1 votesIt's the opposite for me. I'm not toxic but I curse a lot in spoken words but hardly at all when writing due to having more time to see what I'm saying
MonkeyMadness5 votesCursing and toxicity are 2 very different things though. You can be toxic without cursing, and you can drop F-bombs every other word and not be toxic. Though I doubt Riot would understand this concept.
Sakuczya3 votesI have already met someone in the a game who was so hard flaming, he added me after wards as a friend to keep writing how bad I was and that he wants my skype adress so he could say it to me....I do not want those psychopaths being able to insult and threaten me already during the game :(
MonkeyMadness4 votesThat's what muting is for...and if this actually happened, take a screenshot and submit it in a support ticket. The guy probably would've been banned.
Also, seeing as how you never actually spoke to the guy via skype, I'm gonna assume that this was an entirely empty threat, made only because the offender was able to hide behind his keyboard and not actually speak to you.
Flitchee2 votesThe funny thing is, I would of actually added the bastard and just blasted loud music in his ear.
TaoistMaster6 votesThis game is competitive and team oriented.
It has to and will happen.
MyLittleWindmill5 votesAre they really adding voice chat? I guess if they do I just hope it's optional.. the communication that's already in game is good enough in my opinion. The pings are pretty helpful as it is..
Aids cuz League8 votesTil you play DynamicQ. And realize that the only reason pre-mades win is cause of a voice chat advantage between 3-5 players... MEANWHILE ON YOUR TEAM Enemy Missing, Enemy Missing, Enemy Missing, Enemy Missing, Careful, Careful, Careful, Report for Spam.
Varus Vindicator5 votesthen... don't... use... it...
Flitchee5 votesThing is, when using voice chat, i find people are generally nicer, because they cant necessarily "hide" aswell as when they type
Rico Nasty2 votes^
SlashStriker5 votesI have no problem with voice chat as long as you can disable it like other games
Decrit4 votesPoint is, i think they won' t in the end. They said they are still figuring it out, even if they plan to do it.
I say so because i know riot thinks globally, and adding voice chat in EUW would be a true clusterfuck. At least in america you know you speak different degrees of english, but here in europe you move a few kilometers and can find 3+ different languages! and i think ours is not the only region to do so. The effectiveness of voice chat would then be too much skewed toward those who are paried up with people that can speak english, or that can speak a common language.
Or, at least i hope they don' t add it to EUW.
Blåbæret3 votesI don't think it'll be a problem as long as you can mute/disable it.
Jonxx3 votesHeh, I bet most of those people who are toxic won't have guts to talk on voice chat. We'll see.
PS. In Dota 2 there's very little flame on voice chat. People mostly use it to communicate on important stuff.
4th3t0s3 votesIt's like this, voice chat won't stop the true assholes from being assholes, just like it won't bring the nicer people towards negativity; everyone else in between however, will likely be a lot more pleasant to deal with when you bring actual voices into the picture.
From what I've seen, a LOT of in-game toxicity is usually caused by misunderstandings and semantics; which really can't be conveyed properly in written words; voice chat will likely fix that problem.
President Swa1n3 votesBut they said it was going to be optional, both listening in and using it.
warpenguin5553 votesI was on your side a few months back, but with DQ not going anywhere :( voice chat is probably the best way to even the playing field. Not overly happy but whatever
Nebuul3 votesAmen to that. I barely want to voice chat with people I know IRL. Strangers? No thanks.
AsheGetsGanked3 votesI'm not really comfortable talking online with people I don't really know idk why but it's hard for me to really talk in voice chat even with my friends that I have added in LOL. I also don't like listening to people when I play
TheKarry2 votesLeague with voice chat are just gonna be full of shit talkers, little kids, and the minority will be people trying to communicate. Sadly, I think voice chat in league is a terrible idea imo
Daxterr2 votesSomeone's probably already said this but I'd probably quit league when I realized how many 12 year olds I was playing with.
Blue Moon Wolf1 votesI actually have very mixed feelings about this idea. On the one hand, premades wouldn't have as much of an advantage as they could since everyone could communicate with each other without having to stop and type. On the other hand, there are a lot of toxic people like you said and I'm not very fond of the idea of someone literally trash talking the whole match.
Maybe there could be some kind of middle ground. There is that Dragon program that lets you speak and convert what you say to text. Maybe something like that where you can press a separate button (like spacebar or something) that converts what you say to text and lets you send it, that way communication can be faster without making toxicity worse than it is now.
Azeranth6 votesMaybe something like that where you can press a separate button (like spacebar or something) spacebar
What? that key is on of them most important, Snap toPlayer
