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Matchmaking needs more Player Control to Combat TROLLS and Improve playing Experience!

CokcMagic··4 votes·549 views

I have about had it up to with joining a Lobby and instantly knowing I've just been matched up with a TROLL (or multiple trolls) whose sole purpose is to ensure I have zero fun and almost certainly have no chance to win. Anyone who has played this game for more than an hour knows exactly what I mean. Our only options at this point in time are to A) quit the lobby and be penalized for not wanting to waste time with that filth, or B) play it out and lose (with a small off-chance that victory is obtainable which is only likely if the opposing team also has a troll).

Everyone (allegedly including RIOT) knows toxic players and disconnects are a few of the biggest problems that plagues players. The TRIBUNAL does not work. I have NEVER known of anyone personally to be punished in any way what-so-ever. Regardless of how effective the TRIBUNAL is; Reporting players does no good to ME because if I'm reporting a player at the end of the match, it's already TOO LATE. The KEY I think is to never have to play with TOXIC players to begin with. Wouldn't it be nice if there were some matchmaking/queue options or parameters that YOU as a player could define that might help reduce having to play with these jokers?

Specifically what I'm talking about already exist today in many multiplayer games. DO NOT queue me with people with X percentage of disconnects or X amount of negative feedback(reports). So say I want to set a threshold that will prevent me to play with anyone that has a 20% or greater disconnect rate. Or 30% or greater NEGATIVE feedback in the last X amount of time. Or even set regional parameters like I only want to play with NA, or EU, or APAC players, or only with players with high Teamwork, Friendly, or Honorable Opponent honors.

Is something like this not reasonable? I feel like the one downside may be that Queue times would suffer. But honestly, I think it would be worth it to wait a few more minutes to get matched up with players that are more desirable and will increase the likelyhood that I'll actually ENJOY my time and maybe have fun playing LoL!

Where is RIOT on this? Please...I need something to change. It's to the point to where, the majority of the time, I'm suffering from a negative gaming experience due to these problems and having less and less and less fun each time. I dunno... I am almost to the point where I may just give up on LoL all together (not that RIOT cares about the loss just one man).....Please don't make me give up the game that I love am addicted to!

At the end of the day, I think changes like these would encourage people to be more friendly and cooperative rather than toxic, focus more on teamwork, have fun, and hey...even trolls would have more fun because chances are they would be matched with the riff-raff of TROLLS!

9 Comments

xxAGirlHasNoName4 votes

This is a really great idea! I would definitely like to see RIOT implement something like this...especially to reduce the likelihood of playing with toxic players. Ewww so gross wish they would just leave the decent folk alone.

Eleshakai3 votes

There are a few big flaws.

First of all, the majority of the people you label as trolls don't troll a 'percentage of their games', they're just having a bad day and snap. So you'd still never avoid them. People who get a certain percentage of disconnects get BANNED, same goes for reports. They get chat restirctions, they get temp bans, etc. They're already getting punished... so that means the people who are in your games trolling aren't above the threshold that they'd get affected by your system anyways.

Secondly, we should be focused on systems that drive reform. Prisoner's Island does not. If you take a delinquent and put them in a room full of delinquents, the odds of them suddenly becoming NOT a delinquent with no guidance and no role models is virtually 0. They'll just become worse and worse over time. This is not the type of thing we should be encouraging. We need systems that encourage people to improve over time... the chat restrictions are a good one for that. They make people realize the number of hateful messages they're sending and encourage them to think about what they say. Won't work for everyone, but is a good system to help encourage people to become productive.

Thirdly, just because YOU opt to only play with friendly people doesn't mean they'll only opt to play with you. Basically EVERYONE is going to set their threshold to only play with the best people, and then the ONLY people who will be able to play will be the best people. For example, fi they allow people to pick based off of ribbons, everyone is going to pick 'great leader' because everyone knows it is the hardest ribbon to get. And as a result, the only people who will actually EVER get a game are the 'great leaders' because THEY will pick great leader too.

Fourthly, allowing people to control who they get matched with completely destroys the purpose of a matchmaker and completely ruins the ladder. It basically means that the people who climb will be the people who pick the right settings, not the people who actually deserve it by skill. It'll create an awkward loophole in the ladder system, a great way to completely avoid having to actually improve.

Finally, you already DO choose who you play with in regards to region. You only ever get matched with people playing on the same server as you. If you play on NA, you will NEVER get matched with someone playing on EUW. The servers are completely separate. Now, there's nothing stopping people from playing on a server that isn't close to them... and nothing SHOULD stop them. With the growth of the internet and the globalization of the world, many people have friends all over the world. They should be allowed to play together.

GentlemensRelish2 votes

While i don't agree with everything OP states, I don't think there are Big flaws as you put it. "Prisoner Island" as you put it sounds like an excellent place to put people who have repetitive negative game play, let them play a game or two with their own kind maybe that will make them realize what they are doing is awful and how much it makes a match suck to play. That is called reformation which won't work for everyone but it is better than just letting them do whatever they want and thinking trolls are trolls cause they don't know any better, if you believe that then you are part of the problem as well. This is what chat restriction is, a form of punishment that requires you to rethink and reform your behavior. Which you agree helps, so why is it bad to have a second level of punishment for the repeated offenders, cause we all know that if you can't chat you can't troll in game...

Players for the most part already know how they should act, the professional players and majority of streamers are cooperative and helpful to their teammates justify that. There will always be Trolls or players with bad attitudes and to think the current system is actually working is nonsense. It needs to be changed, OP might not have the best of ideas but at least he is willing to think outside the box and put forth the effort try to help the game yet all you can do is shoot down every idea and defend the outdated and inadequate system in place. Almost makes it seem that you work for Riot and were told to blindly justify everything they do cause they pay you.

I love LoL, I love playing it with my friends but more and more these days I find myself not wanting to solo queue or play due to players acting a fool with no serious repercussions in site. I don't want the terrorist to win, but the current system seems to.

Eleshakai2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sir Huckalot,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=YyQ2esed,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2015-08-07T14:12:39.644+0000)

While i don't agree with everything OP states, I don't think there are Big flaws as you put it. "Prisoner Island" as you put it sounds like an excellent place to put people who have repetitive negative game play, let them play a game or two with their own kind maybe that will make them realize what they are doing is awful and how much it makes a match suck to play. That is called reformation which won't work for everyone but it is better than just letting them do whatever they want and thinking trolls are trolls cause they don't know any better, if you believe that then you are part of the problem as well. This is what chat restriction is, a form of punishment that requires you to rethink and reform your behavior. Which you agree helps, so why is it bad to have a second level of punishment for the repeated offenders, cause we all know that if you can't chat you can't troll in game...

Players for the most part already know how they should act, the professional players and majority of streamers are cooperative and helpful to their teammates justify that. There will always be Trolls or players with bad attitudes and to think the current system is actually working is nonsense. It needs to be changed, OP might not have the best of ideas but at least he is willing to think outside the box and put forth the effort try to help the game yet all you can do is shoot down every idea and defend the outdated and inadequate system in place. Almost makes it seem that you work for Riot and were told to blindly justify everything they do cause they pay you.

I love LoL, I love playing it with my friends but more and more these days I find myself not wanting to solo queue or play due to players acting a fool with no serious repercussions in site. I don't want the terrorist to win, but the current system seems to.

I don't even play anymore, so no I don't work for them. But these types of ideas need to stop. We need to work on improving the community, not just telling people they're hopeless and throwing them into a situation designed to ensure they never get better. It's a bad moral statement to make.

CokcMagic1 votes

You truly are having a defeatist attitude. I have so much to say about all of your "counter"-points but don't have the time to do so thusly. So I will summarize where I feel you are missing the point.

I did not make this point clear, but I know you play with those in your region. I was referring to if players wanted to use the option to try out other regions. This idea stems from the fact that I have heard from the player community that NA is known for its negative behavior. Actually, didn't really look into that aspect at all in my initial post as I was just on fire and rambling after my fourth consecutive game with what is most certainly categorized as TROLL or TOXIC behavior. So THANK YOU for pointing that out! I will certainly give it a go.

This "Prisoners Island" you speak of sounds exactly like what I want. I'm not concerned AT ALL with reforming players with continued toxic and trollish behavior. I just DO NOT want to play with them. Let them play together. You also make it seem like the banning and punishment system in place actually works. WOW. In this respect, you MUST be getting paid by RIOT to push and support this ideology. If the system worked, then I would never have felt the need to discuss this in a public forum.

The last thing I wanted to clarify is that I play LoL for mostly FUN. I do not blast people for their skill level. I also do not do much in the way of the Ranked Ladder because that is where I notice people on NERFS that are bitter at life for being in "ELO HELL" and have given up on having a good time. I definitely don't think my idea has any place in the Ranked world as you are 100% correct that would destroy the competitiveness of the ladder. Ranked play will always suck for 99% of the people (at least basing this off the couple dozen or so friends or acquaintances I have that play Ranked regularly). You basically have to put in the time to counter weigh the "throw-out" games from disconnects and costly trollish behavior. This is time I do not have. Therefore, I play mostly Normal Q and am okay with that.

Eleshakai2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sir Nic XXVIII,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=YyQ2esed,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2015-08-07T15:15:12.646+0000)

You truly are having a defeatist attitude. I have so much to say about all of your "counter"-points but don't have the time to do so thusly. So I will summarize where I feel you are missing the point.

I did not make this point clear, but I know you play with those in your region. I was referring to if players wanted to use the option to try out other regions. This idea stems from the fact that I have heard from the player community that NA is known for its negative behavior. Actually, didn't really look into that aspect at all in my initial post as I was just on fire and rambling after my fourth consecutive game with what is most certainly categorized as TROLL or TOXIC behavior. So THANK YOU for pointing that out! I will certainly give it a go.

This "Prisoners Island" you speak of sounds exactly like what I want. I'm not concerned AT ALL with reforming players with continued toxic and trollish behavior. I just DO NOT want to play with them. Let them play together. You also make it seem like the banning and punishment system in place actually works. WOW. In this respect, you MUST be getting paid by RIOT to push and support this ideology. If the system worked, then I would never have felt the need to discuss this in a public forum.

The last thing I wanted to clarify is that I play LoL for mostly FUN. I do not blast people for their skill level. I also do not do much in the way of the Ranked Ladder because that is where I notice people on NERFS that are bitter at life for being in "ELO HELL" and have given up on having a good time. I definitely don't think my idea has any place in the Ranked world as you are 100% correct that would destroy the competitiveness of the ladder. Ranked play will always suck for 99% of the people (at least basing this off the couple dozen or so friends or acquaintances I have that play Ranked regularly). You basically have to put in the time to counter weigh the "throw-out" games from disconnects and costly trollish behavior. This is time I do not have. Therefore, I play mostly Normal Q and am okay with that.

ah so you're just one of those people who assumes everyone who is negative is always negative. Got it. Riot has proven that's not the case on numerous cases, so I'm sorry you still believe that.

But the reality of the situation is that something like 90% of toxicity comes from people who are very rarely toxic.

CokcMagic1 votes

Right, so now imagine this individual who is very rarely toxic just flamed the game before. Now consider I don't want to play with anyone who just got reported for negative behavior, why should there not be something that allows ME to not queue with that person? the most likely scenario is that they're now mad..and their behavior will carry over to my game. Having certain FILTERS in place will certainly not eliminate me every being matched with toxic attitudes, but it would be another layer.

Eleshakai2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sir Nic XXVIII,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=YyQ2esed,comment-id=0002000100000000,timestamp=2015-08-07T18:35:33.720+0000)

Right, so now imagine this individual who is very rarely toxic just flamed the game before. Now consider I don't want to play with anyone who just got reported for negative behavior, why should there not be something that allows ME to not queue with that person? the most likely scenario is that they're now mad..and their behavior will carry over to my game. Having certain FILTERS in place will certainly not eliminate me every being matched with toxic attitudes, but it would be another layer.

or perhaps simply being nice to people would lead to them not being toxic to you. I'll be honest, in my 4-5 years of playing this game, I saw toxicity in MAYBE 1 in 10 games. This was playing ranked for ~2-3 years and non-ranked for ~2 years. What was different? Simple, I didn't expect toxicity, and I didn't ASSUME toxicity. So people didn't display it. Treat people well, it goes a long way.

But really, offering people control fo who they queue with just leads to problems long-term since people will start reporting EVERYONE who doesn't play well so they can avoid playing withg them.

OMGimAnub22332 votes

Ummmmmm... Such a simple solution to a complex problem. I personally like what the Tribunal ATTEMPTS to do...but I agree it doesnt get the job done. Having this type of control over your matchmaking que wouldn't eliminate thr problem comoletly, but would most likely be more effective.

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