Some people I KNOW believe ranked to be slightly more luck-based than skill-based while others may disagree.
Luck means getting good teammates, not having a leaver, etc.
Skill means to simply be good enough to win lane and carry or be very helpful to your team
injourn2 votesThe only thing that really requires luck is the critical system. You will never make it anywhere in this game if you rely on luck.
ShuffledPancake1 votesIt is like 90% skill and 10 luck in anything above bronze its more like 60 % skill then 40% luck in bronze
The Bearded Bard1 votesI don't see how it's luck at all. If you get bad teammates that's an issue of skill, not luck. The only thing that's luck is whether or not you or the enemy team get an afk, which happens, but not often.
Xonra2 votes[{quoted}](name=I am Maokai,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=XAMPt48c,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-06-21T05:46:56.186+0000)
I don't see how it's luck at all. If you get bad teammates that's an issue of skill, not luck. The only thing that's luck is whether or not you or the enemy team get an afk, which happens, but not often.
The luck element is you getting that bad teammate instead of the enemy team. That feeder may have the skill issue, but it isn't a skill issue where you are concerned, it is just bad luck. It could have just as easily been that player feeding and helping your team win, which again, has nothing to do with direct skill on your side as much as negative skill on theirs, and good luck.
Your skill, however, will help you know how to capitalize on that person feeding, and know what to do with your gold, and lead, etc. Luck is a factor, it just isn't as impactful as people make it out to be.
The Bearded Bard1 votesThe luck element is you getting that bad teammate instead of the enemy team. That feeder may have the skill issue, but it isn't a skill issue where you are concerned, it is just bad luck. It could have just as easily been that player feeding and helping your team win, which again, has nothing to do with direct skill on your side as much as negative skill on theirs, and good luck.
Your skill, however, will help you know how to capitalize on that person feeding, and know what to do with your gold, and lead, etc. Luck is a factor, it just isn't as impactful as people make it out to be.
This game is a TEAM game. The losing team is the team with less skill, the winning team is the team with more skill. Every outcome of every game is decided by skill, EXCEPT in the case of one team losing a player.
Xonra2 votes[{quoted}](name=I am Maokai,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=XAMPt48c,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2015-06-21T06:02:47.897+0000)
This game is a TEAM game. The losing team is the team with less skill, the winning team is the team with more skill. Every outcome of every game is decided by skill, EXCEPT in the case of one team losing a player.
Is obviously going over your head somehow so not going to bother explaining it again. Not sure how you don't get it, but it seems you are trying really hard not to see it any way but one specific way.
Provengreil1 votesBut there are things that are completely uncontrollable and straight up nobody's fault, and those are luck. Imagine the following:
Blue team gets into champ select and has 3 top mains, a jungler, and a support. Luckily, one top main can do lissandra so he takes mid, the lowest guy in pick order pole takes an ADC and just hopes to survive lane.
Red team has a top main, Jungler, ADC, and 2 support mains. One of the support mains tends toward high damage mages like zyra and annie, and can easily shift to mid with only small adjustments.
Red team now, through luck alone, has a distinct advantage because: both tops, junglers, and supports are comfortable. Both midlaners are on comfort champs but not their preferred map areas, which means they can play well but may not fully utilize the map position. still even. However, red size has a comfortable ADC while blue side is largely unfamiliar with his champ and spot.
Therefore, red team has a built-in advantage, though far from a decisive one, before the game starts. Note that this is with all ten people being friendly and cooperative, which never happens and whichever team gets the whiner is usually in trouble.
Another example: you get into champ select. you're third, and in promos so you can't dodge. last pick goes: "Mid ekko or feed" first pick bans ekko. "WTF now im feeding nub" first pick" come at me bro" neither will now dodge because fight mode is engaged, and the other two are a never say die never surrender duo, so no dodging.
so here's the question: What skill have you failed to display by third ban that could have or still can salvage this?
Xonra1 votesI might say 60% skill and 40% luck in ranked specifically, and if you are above gold I would say closer to 70/30
Even at the highest level you still have to factor in:
The things above aren't guaranteed to happen, but when they happen, it can make winning that much harder, and pull the control a little bit out of your hands, but not completely.
I wouldn't say any match is 90% skill vs luck or 90% luck vs skill, but luck IS a factor. Skill is just a more important factor.
SmokedAlmonds1 votesLuck certainly is a factor, but really it mostly determines how long it takes you to get to where you belong. All these things people talk about holding them back happen to everyone so for them to actually hold you back they have to happen to you more often than others. I think most people also over exaggerate the impact a lot of these things have on your rank. Take afks for example. An afk is basically a guaranteed loss unless you were massively ahead when someone leaves or the other team is completely incompetent. So that's bad luck, sure. But people view losses from afks as if they were otherwise guaranteed wins when in reality they were going to lose roughly half those games anyway.
But, if you play 100+ games its unlikely that any luck factor is significantly holding you down and becomes even less likely every game you play.
JediJak1 votesI agree. You mean to tell me its an issue of skill when i get the 12 year old insta lock teemo top that goes 0/8 to nasus in 5 minutes because of champion select. Now i got free farm nasus running around 2 shotting towers and then everyone afks. Id say thats luck that the kid is not like 4 years older with a hell of lot more awareness
EL HAMSTERO1 votesif its skill how does everyone have a winrate around 50%? exactly like a coin toss.
