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Riot I just did an experiment, and i would love for you to take a look at what happened.

Savage the Kind··1 votes·343 views

I have decided to conduct an experiment. I hope someone at riot reads this, but I am doubting they will. After realizing my competitive edge and my ability to type very fast my /all chat has gotten me into a lot of trouble over the years and my ability to take the ranking system as serious as it's intended to be but more serious than the average player. I do consider myself a good player and love the game of LoL itself but hate where they are going with the system of punishment. HOWEVER, after receiving a 2 week ban this last match after I do obviously realized i pushed the envelope and deserve the 2 week suspension, i decided to try something out. I REALLY HOPE someone read's this; I got myself into trouble chatting on this account, so i decided to take to my smurf and raise it out of bronze which i havent used in a while. I did that fast and easy, than I managed to get stuck in silver 5, realizing IMO the most toxic players are around this area for some reason. It was like a short stint in prison, mixed with a military bootcamp.
I climbed into gold than i started my experiment. I realized that there are SO many toxic players, mainly BMing players from opposite teams that talk so much smack if they are WINNING! Now IMO its one thing to talk smack to your teamates who maybe feeding or selfishly not helping because they are "afraid to die" not realizing its a TEAM game and you always should help people the most you can. But the thing i noticed is that if i were to have a feeding troll team, i instantly stopped typing to my ALWAYS toxic teamates but i started talking to the enemy, maybe a "why are you camping top?" or something very neutral just to get conversation going. I usually got camped top or mid. Surprisingly in 100% of my games I get the response of "QQ MOAR" MAD U BAD BRO? "U SUK KID GET REKT!, now i would be fine with these things however i took it upon myself to continue typing in a completely calm manner, because i wanted to test the system out to see if it was flawed. The thing that amazes me is that I was completely being reasonable and calm and even tried to calm the ENEMY team down from bming while we were being steamrolled.. But yet somehow because "usually a toxic duo" reports me i was getting reported every game. How on earth is it even close to acceptable to be winning, and bm the enemy team. I played 2 college sports and the MAIN thing in any competitive situation is NEVER bad mouth your opponent if you are WINNING! that's not even being a sore winner that is just downright WRONG! So my last game i took to getting these people taking and they LAID into me for just typing very calmly. But because they were all very rude and toxic and didn't like i was keeping my cool, I report them, they get the notification, and than they ALL REPORT ME! Even my teamates.. after seeing i reported them for being toxic to eachother.. THEY KNEW i reported them and counter reported me AND THE SYSTEM BANNED ME.. FOR BEING A NORMAL PERSON! That is NOT how a system should work, and that is not fair that is how it is being conducted. SO NOW, unfortunately i realize, and when my acct is unsuspended in a few days, i realize i will have to play every single game the same. WITH /mute all on. I have some revisions however...

POSSIBLE REVISIONS__

  1. The inability to chat. -----Pings work wonders and it seems as if there is 90% toxicity in chat 10% coordination. Maybe a system of only pings could keep the competitiveness alive and keep toxicity out for everyone.

  2. Voice chat. CSGO uses it and it works great. It's psychologically harder to get frustrated and be aggressive towards a human voice, than rather over a keyboard. Plus, it means less time spent typing and more time playing which leads to more skill matches and less rage induced typing losses.

  3. Anonymous reports. I would say 90% of my reports come from another player counter reporting me. That's not fair.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------TL:DR----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Riot, I think you have GREAT Intentions but something needs to be done, this suspending and banning stuff is flawed please hear me out! I choose to believe all of this system is not just a cash grab way of people making new accounts. I WANT to believe that but it's hard when you make the system soo hard for people with a logic mind to express their opinion in the game. I want to chat and converse but there is no way to do that with the current system, it's wayyyyy too harsh on the wrong kinds of people. For a while nothing happened and I was excited that the system could differentiate false reports from good ones, but it seems thats not the case. I hope you can change this before too many people quit. ALL of my friends have stopped playing and I don't want this game to die, and i don't want to get perma banned just because I chat in game.

Please please respond to me so that I can get a response this is a huge part of my entertainment in my life and I want to know your take on it. LYTE IM TALKING TO YOU PLEASE RESPOND LYTE!

10 Comments

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

http://ask.fm/RiotLyte

Savage the Kind1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=X9WdJxVj,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-09-29T05:40:57.677+0000)

http://ask.fm/RiotLyte

I want him to answer me here, I want him to give a date for a human tribunal. I would also love to know why riot hasnt implemented voice chat. With as huge as LoL is and the technology today, why no implemented voice chat? Because they WANT to ban people, they want people to get banned and they want to record it. That seems very cash grabby to me..

Savage the Kind1 votes

{quoted}

I want him to answer me here, I want him to give a date for a human tribunal. I would also love to know why riot hasnt implemented voice chat. With as huge as LoL is and the technology today, why no implemented voice chat? Because they WANT to ban people, they want people to get banned and they want to record it. That seems very cash grabby to me..

I mean that in a non argumentative or aggressive way, I truly would like to know the reasons for these things I really am curious.

Jubbinaut2 votes

{quoted}

I want him to answer me here, I want him to give a date for a human tribunal.

I sincerely doubt you have any data that he doesn't already have access to.

I would also love to know why riot hasnt implemented voice chat. With as huge as LoL is and the technology today, why no implemented voice chat?

A recent comment regarding that on ask.fm:

Not sure why players think we're against voice chat. Yes, university research has repeatedly shown that voice chat introduces toxicity into a game or community, but that doesn't mean we'll never try it. We would just design it differently than other games have in the past. We actually rarely decide to do (or not do) a feature because of toxicity. Everything is a trade-off, and if a feature introduces a little toxicity but is overall net positive because of numerous benefits in other dimensions, we'd still do the feature.

And an older one from Reddit:

We do like the idea of party voice chat, but, to challenge your other point: we see a majority of players that want to use voice chat already have a Skype account, etc. Is it really such a barrier in modern times compared to 5 years ago? We agree that there are some concerns with privacy, etc, but don't think the barriers are really that high anymore in modern gaming. Curse Voice also does a pretty good job as a party voice chat option.

Savage the Kind1 votes

{quoted}

I sincerely doubt you have any data that he doesn't already have access to.

A recent comment regarding that on ask.fm:

And an older one from Reddit:

I appreciate you taking the time to find this out for me.

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

Those are all questions that have been answered on his page, actually. You're not going to like the answers though, because basically they don't have a date for the Tribunal voting and they aren't against voice chat (they just want to do it in a way that doesn't have the same toxic potential like the others).

Savage the Kind1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=X9WdJxVj,comment-id=000000000002,timestamp=2015-09-29T06:00:30.476+0000)

Those are all questions that have been answered on his page, actually. You're not going to like the answers though, because basically they don't have a date for the Tribunal voting and they aren't against voice chat (they just want to do it in a way that doesn't have the same toxic potential like the others).

I have looked over some of them and yes that seems to be the issue, however, I think there should be a way to incorporate it and here are my reasons why. I'll give an example,

Player 1 dies First blood to top lane, now because of this the adc is typing "gj dude" which isn't horrible but since top laner is dead with a death timer he gives a response back. " while the adc is responding he types back, missing 3 cs he would have gotten had he not been typing. that 3 cs lead, or 63 gold was given to the enemy adc and this power spike continues, now the jungle dies and mid says something this continues until the team is losing due to the small lead given in the beginning, the 400g first blood the few cs bot and so on and so forth until the enemy team is winning mid game from gold lead. than the REAL raging and typing ensues, by this time its very hard to come back from the xp and gold being behind due to the little typing and bickering going on. Or one player typing fast and the other not, makes one player fall behind more.

Voice chat example, Player 1 dies to FIrst blood top lane, IN MIC adc says cmon dude, top lane in mic says dude i went to kill him and hit a minion and ignited after he healed than he got away w 2 hp man it was so close, top lane feels better he explained and adc has no response because he realizes he has a competant top lane and spend no time missing cs and faling behind 3 cs because he typed a short sentence bickering.

This is ACTUALLY how snowballing works IMO.

Jubbinaut1 votes

I would love to see that Reform Card.

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

Could you maybe break that up into paragraphs? It's kinda hard to read

Savage the Kind1 votes

{quoted}

Could you maybe break that up into paragraphs? It's kinda hard to read

Okay, sorry i was ranting, i will fix it now.

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