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Reasons this game isn't fun for new players

7Vightmares··14 votes·2,133 views

I just started playing this game consistently last summer. I entered ranked at S5 and fell into Bronze due to playing 9 consecutive games with at least 1 DC on my team. Its basically been a similar hell since. So this season started and after going 7-3 in my provisional matches I was placed in B5. Because that makes sense. I spent from the moment this season started until Late April just trying to escape the trolls in B5. Finally worked my way up to B3 this month and things had been going well. But the trolls must have let each other through now because they are back. Entering games with players who say "Give me this champ in this lane I carry" who proceed to feed the other team senseless or kids who "Oh they picked this champ? I can counter him I got this." and proceed to feed the other team senseless. Oh, and my favorite? "Jungle or feed" (Gets jungle) goes 0/4/0 to start the game. Like really if I knew you were gonna feed regardless I would have at least taken my preferred role. Also "Jungle omg where were you why arent you ganking top" Um how about because we are 4 minutes in and I'm literally ganking mid lane while you are saying this. Or "Jungle for real came top once" Um yes because mid is 0/2 bot is 0/6 and I can't babysit 3 lanes simultaneously.

I just played a game where my bot lane was a combined 0/37/4.

Lux after starting 0/6/0 gave up, blamed her adc, and started mindlessly running down mid lane over and over. Final score 0/17/2.

Vayne on the other hand wasn't intentionally feeding she was just THAT bad. She split pushed all game and took a total of 2 turrets (separate lanes) while maintaining the lowest gold earned besides Lux. Her final score was 0/20/2. Yes I said 0/20/2 and that wasn't intentional. She out-fed the person intentionally feeding!

Why is this game terrible for new players? Because it's pointless. I just got demoted back to B4 because my bot lane went a combined 0/37/4. That isn't fun. That isn't humorous. That isn't a game. You can give me the arguments that yes some guys duo'ed from Bronze to Master or whatever but they are pro players and actually had the chance to work together. I love this game but the fact that it is almost unplayable is ridiculous. Next argument: "Well if you report players like that then they will have consequences and won't be able to continue to play the game." Again it does nothing. You can't tell me that all these people are being reported and action being taken when one of them is in 2 out of 5 games.

Oh and I managed to be 7/8/8 in that game with fewest deaths on my team and most damage taken. I was Eve and built a GA 5th item as only tank item. So its not like I was just tanking damage and leaving. You can't tell me I didn't try hard enough or do enough or play good enough. By the way 7 kills was tied for most on team as well and 8 assists was the most on the team. Hell we only had 17 kills total so I had 88% Kill participation.

If you haven't had this game for enough years to have gotten into Gold before it became as big as it is then you are just trapped in an endless nightmare of people who literally make me lose faith in humanity. Like sometimes I just want to pretend that other players in this game aren't real people because the lack of basic intelligence and common sense is so astounding that humanity's future is seriously in trouble.

I needed to vent. But seriously this game is becoming unplayable. It's ridiculous.

Reasons I lose in League: 5% Terrible game totally my fault 10% other player was better I got beat 55% My entire team fed and I can't 1v5 20% Player on my team disconnected 10% Trolls

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M0RDEKA1SER8 votes

Solution: Don't play ranked. Have fun in normal or team builder. I've only been playing for a little over a year, have yet to play a single ranked game.

Why? Simple. I read the boards, and I see nightmares like this that I'd prefer not to endure.

If this new ban system proves to work, or the tribunal comes back, I'll give them 2-3 weeks to weed out the terrible/toxic players, and then I'll try my first ranked game. Until then, I'm actually having fun, win or lose.

Remlap12236 votes

Spoiler alert, the new system doesn't work.

This isn't a system problem, it's a community problem. It's the fact that Riot's system indirectly rewards trolls while punishing players who are forced to play games with them. A troll can ruin many many games before he's finally caught and banned. Hell, I have a summoner here bookmarked just to see if he/she's banned from the game yet because he/she intentionally feeds in ranked for stretches as much as 20 games at a time. Still here.

Riot's way of keeping the game "fun" is by brutally punishing anyone who goes against their philosophy. If you leave an extremely toxic environment, you are equally as bad as the player who flamed and intentionally fed in Riot's eyes. The players that are treated like shit and tell off players that are treating others like shit are punished just as badly as the instigators. With the new system, this is exasperated even more, forcing players to pander to trolls and unsportsmanlike players who pick underneath them, or be forced to stay in a game with them for at least (most likely more) 20 minutes. If you leave, you run the risk of getting banned for not staying in an unfun and hostile environment. Remind me again how that's supposed to cure toxicity?

PREVENTION should be the focus, not punishment. You really want to stop people from trolling in this game? Don't let trolls have an environment they can thrive in. Put in a pre-game report system that puts a dodge penalty on players after a certain threshold of reports has been reached. Use the automated system to figure out of the player is trying to coerce others into getting their way by being unsportsmanlike, or is trolling, and ban them for the day if they do. If they continue to do it, double it until it reaches the 14 day threshold, and then vote on permabanning.

If you can catch the shitheads before they infect games with toxic bile, toxicity won't be there to spread in the first place.

And to anyone who says this can be abused, do you really think that the current system is NOT being abused? I think that a false dodge penalty with being cleared and lowering the value of the reports of the people who falsely reported is a much better solution than waiting until they ruin a horde of games, and making players who had to put up with their shit become negative because of the toxic behavior, infecting more games.

Synx73 votes

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Solution: Don't play ranked. Have fun in normal or team builder. I've only been playing for a little over a year, have yet to play a single ranked game.

Why? Simple. I read the boards, and I see nightmares like this that I'd prefer not to endure.

If this new ban system proves to work, or the tribunal comes back, I'll give them 2-3 weeks to weed out the terrible/toxic players, and then I'll try my first ranked game. Until then, I'm actually having fun, win or lose.

Couldn't agree more. I've stopped dealing with the bullcrap in ranked too. Playing 1game/month just so i won't decay. Too, if the OP wanted to, he could try to get gold to get the end season rewards.. Being higher than gold has 0 benefits, other than your own E-Peen P.s Even with the tribunal back then, champion select WAS and STILL is a mess, outdated bullshit favoring trolls

@ Remlap1223 . I have too bookmarked a summoner, he has , and I counted, 245 matches where he stayed on the summoner platform with 0 items. Yes, 245 bloody games straight, he's still not banned yet. His last match were few hours ago.

Muhsystemsaregood

phirestarter3 votes

I couldn't find your guy, but I have my own favorite right here: http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA1/216133446

Although he appears to have stopped now, perhaps riot did something? Who knows.

In either event, these AFK/no item trolls are just stupid ones. Most of the smarter trolls make it so that their post game stats look ok, feeding the enemy kills only when necessary, etc...

Tilomentry3 votes

So I just took a look at your match history and the number of different champions you've played is absolutely insane (seriously like 25 different champions over 30 ranked games). If you narrow your roaster down to a few champions (with a few more for backup) then you'll be able to master those champions better and just get fed every game instead of doing average. Once you start getting fed, you're allies will "feed" less because they'll be able to leech off of some of your kills. You'll also be able to draw some jungle pressure off your allies if you are doing well.

imonly4noobcakes3 votes

Welcome to ELO Hell....because Riot doesn't really punish these trolls they make the game a horrible experience for anyone who actually wants to play better.

I HAMPSTER2 votes

there are 4 potential afk or terrible players on your team. there are 5 on the other team.

bad luck cant last forever. it is statistically inevitable that you will play against more bad players than you have bad teammates. if you don't belong in bronze you will get out.

Brother Sylas2 votes

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Lakega3 votes

"Statistically" that's a bunch of bs people have been throwing around for ages without any actual proof. "oh I did it though" is not proof. "Statistically" you're more likely to go 4v5 for various reasons every other game in silver or under, yet somehow statistically we're also supposed to get past it "eventually"... contradiction.

Icestar11863 votes

Statistically, if you are not a feeder/troll/afk, there will be more on the enemy teams. There are 4 slots on yours and 5 on theirs.

Remlap12231 votes

Copypasta'd from another thread I commented in. Teal Deer is at the bottom.

Yeah, League's ranked system is a farce for reasons that you aformentioned. The difference between Yolo Queue and the LC$ is so ridiculously huge, it should be a MAJOR red flag that there's something wrong with the system. It rewards this idea of "carrying yourself out of your league" when in reality it should be about teamwork, cooperation, and smart play in order to win. It's pretty much gotten to the point where I realize that I will never be able to carry myself out of my league unless I always play carries that I'm skilled with and can pubstomp regardless of my team's effort. As someone who considers support to be his strongest role, you can see how the system is inherently stacked against me. Hell, I've had a game where literally everyone on my team fed besides me. How exactly am I supposed to single-handedly carry that game as a support Janna, because if you can do that, you deserve to be in the LC$.

Yet in Smite, none of these problems exist. Hell, I've had better teamwork in assault (ARAM) on Smite 90% more than I ever did in Yolo Queue, and outside of re-rolls and trades, you don't get to pick your team composition. Sometimes you'll be matched with a heavy all-in comp when you're a huge poke hunter or something, and yet I STILL see better teamwork.

Oh, and another thing that I think fosters this toxicity is that Riot is focused solely on punishments to improve their playerbase, while HiRez focuses on positive reinforcement. What happens when you leave a game in LoL? You get flagged by a system that scolds you for leaving the game, regardless of the circumstances, and will ban you if you do it too many times (too many times is roughly 3 in a row, or more over a short period of time), once again, regardless of the situation. You will lose end of the season rewards, and your account is permanently blemished. If you are toxic in games, you are punished, regardless of the circumstances. The punishment is mostly dolled out through chat bans, which encourages poor teamplay because Riot does not have a hotkey based chat system like HiRez does. I PHYSICALLY CANNOT communicate as effectively under a chat ban. What if I need to tell my teammate that the enemy's ultimate is down, and I'm out of chat rations? Well I guess I'm SOL because now my teammate has to play unnecessarily passive, when all it would take is an improved smart ping system, or a removal of the incredibly stupid chat restrictions that are currently dolled out in order to communicate properly.

And I know what you're thinking, but you can still communicate with pings! No, you can't. I ran out of chat rations playing as support, and this was before I had my sweeping lens. I pinged our jungler and said "ward". He proceeds to completely validate my point with his response. "What about wards? Do you want me to ward? Is there a ward there?" He had no idea what to do with my limited information, and I couldn't clarify because I was a bad little bear who said naughty naughties and papa Rito took away my communication privileges. Here's what would have happened in Smite: V, Q, click. " (I main Anubis in Smite, Nasus is losely based off of Anubis, the Egyptian God of the Dead) WARD HERE!" My oh my, that was a lot more convenient and clear wasn't it?

HiRez, on the other hand, uses positive reinforcement. The more games that you complete and are pleasant in (Goodwill), you gain a modifier to your favor (LP) gained. It goes up to something like 30% bonus, and to top it off they don't have runes. All you favor goes into purchasing gods (which you can unlock all of them for a flat fee of $30, present and future) or recolors of skins (including mastery based ones that are golden and diamond). You leave a game, you get a deserter penalty, but the biggest hit is to your Goodwill. Your bonus is immediately reset, and you have to grind to bring it back to the original bonus.

Oh, and because of the hotkey system that's in place, I rarely ever type in game to chat with my teammates. I use prerecorded phrases (which can be in your champion's voice for gems, purely for style points ). I don't need to physically type out that Athena is ulting (Athena has a weird hybrid of Shen's ultimate and Pantheon's ultimate) all I have to do is type V, B, A. " ENEMY ULTIMATE INCOMING!" Guess what you are indirectly doing a lot less of when you can hotkey communicate? Flaming. it's quicker, cleaner, and you get to hear your champ say these phrases! If you have a gem only skin, they'll also have a different voiceover (for $10, I can get a skin and a voice pack that does arguably more than a legendary skin in LoL).

Teal Deer; Riot's ranked and player improvement systems are inherently flawed by hanging judge tactics and a focus on the individual rather than the team, and until radical change is implemented, Yolo Queue will always be simultaneously a poor representation of player skill and a breeding ground for toxicity. It's why when compared to literally every other ARTS, LoL's community is always the most toxic. It's why there's a gigantic community rift between people who vehemently defend Yolo Queue, and people who radically oppose it. Until something is changed, I will ALWAYS have a more positive and cooperative experience in Smite than I will in LoL. I should not have to play another ARTS to scratch the itch of a MOBA while it being a vacation away from the sludge that LoL churns out on a daily, if not game-by-game basis. Seriously, I am not making this up, the number of games that I have played that I consider positive in Smite vs LoL is 15:1. I wish I was making that up.

imonly4noobcakes1 votes

You must be one of these trolls :|

AsphodelNext1 votes

But there's a fair chance that doing so will take a very, very long time, if you're even mildly unlucky. If you only won/lost based on having a feeder, and there was always one feeder per game, you'd win 55% of games on average. But if you played 40 games, you still have about a 20% chance of losing more than half of them, and a 43% chance of performing below expectation and winning fewer than 55% of them. Essentially, even if you are better, you could still be unlucky and get bad teammates. And that probability is pretty high.

SexyTaylorSwift2 votes

Yea, rito defends these trolls, though. It's sad.

dalphy082 votes

lol

parrzival2 votes

You will get out if you start carrying but the current system is really broken. The real problem is that the best out 3 series to get out of each level is really based on luck. So many AFKs and people that are just messing around really ruin it. Then I play games where two diamond players are on my team (or the other team) playing for bronze kids who paid them to get to gold.

Rank should be based off of your elo score. You win, have good kda, got towers, dragon, baron, good cs, etc. you move up. You dont do those things you move down. Similar to the way they are giving us grades at the end of each game now. A good system would know when you played bad but you won the game and your elo/rank would go down. Halo 2s ranking system would work well for this.

7Vightmares2 votes

Yeah you can give me BS that I deserve to be in Bronze but then I joined a ranked team last night and played with Golds and Plats all night. We went 4-1 and I had 1 bad game that entire time. Which wasn't even the game we lost. I'm not saying I deserve to be like G1 or something. I'm just saying there is no way in hell I should be B4 right now.

jDVL20eCYs2 votes

so 15% of the games you deserved to lose? how many games did you won that you did not deserve to win? you honestly believe you and i is on the same skill level, just you being "unlucky" ?

7Vightmares1 votes

No. At no point did I say I deserve to be Diamond. That's just irrational. I've never even played on that level. I'm saying that the fact that I'm bronze is BS. I have plenty of friends who are at least silver and I am at least even if not above them in skill level. This BS that is Bronze is just frustrating. Calm yourself.

jDVL20eCYs1 votes

yes you have lots of friends you are so cool <3

Yosuke Apperu2 votes

Reasons I lose in League: 5% Terrible game totally my fault

I know that you want to believe that only 5% of it is your fault... but you're gonna meet a lot of players way better than you. So just rework your percentages a little bit =]

lofi n chillhop1 votes

I win games despite trolls and afk's all the time... it is less common than the games i lose by it for sure. I also win games where the opponent has an afk or something.

I've noticed that a lot of the time the dc or afk is accidental or unforseen, due to poor connection or surprise family fueds xD but something I've noticed, is a lot of the time an AFK or DC is because of defeated morale. someone sees their team really behind and gives up. someone is angry or uppset, and it makes the game worse for another player, and one of them afk's or trolls or outright dc's.

what I do is, when someone on my team dc's and there isn't a fight going on in chat, well I try to play defensively and hope they reconnect, and usually they do.

if a fight is going on, or someone seems frustrated, well I try to encourage my teamates. I try to go help them in their lane even if it means getting behind in mine a little, because i don't get farm EXP or gold. I try to reach out to my teamates, assist them in their endeavers, or use chat to be like "xD that was unfortunate" or "NICE double kill too bad u died :( next time we'll get them better" even when no one seems frustrated yet.

and the thing that's helped me the most, is that no matter how frustrated I get at my teamates, I always remember to notice the things that I could have done better, before anything else. could that fight have changed if I went ham to try to save them? or maybe did my going ham at that time mean we had no one to defend drag?

it's unfortunate that sometimes we lose games that seem out of our control. but I try to keep a cool mind, mute them if I have to, find ways to overcome challenges, and take a break when I have to. it took me a while to start to rise, but now that I am rising I feel like I "see" things that I just couldn't see going on before. I notice opportunities and risks more than ever before, and can use this to make up for teammates who don't, even helping them sometimes without them knowing they were in danger in the first place.

lofi n chillhop3 votes

one time that really stuck with me. I forget what champion it was, but some top laner got really frustrated because their jungler gave first blood to their lane, then ignored them while they were outmatched because of it, and eventually came a second time only to bait them into a double kill... and they started raging and all sorts of things. this whole time I sent out words of encouragement and made sure to butter up my requests for their help. something like, "if you TP bot it's an easy double kill" or "I got some good damage if you tank for me we can turn this game" and I kept it up even though they never did anything for me. but after about 6 or 10 minutes, they weren't raging as much, and started just farming whatever wave was closest to our base. so I kept up trying to encourage and entice him, but otherwise what I did? i started making aggressive plays elsewhere, and if we couldn't make a pick before the enemy team gathered I'd back off. guerrilla tactics. sometimes I'd get chased.... and this player, well they helped out when I was chased. only for me =3. otherwise they just kept farming. and eventually our team won, because that player that was so on tilt and ready to quit or feed? well I made sure they knew I was on their side too.

imonly4noobcakes1 votes

I agree that some of the "trolls" are unintentional, as I had one on my team, and he/she never used to talk, but they said they have a poor connection and until recently the connnection had improved and they are a very good player. You also get smurfs who will make people beg to be carried or they will feed. Riot needs to do something about this.

Lakega1 votes

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I just started playing this game consistently last summer. I entered ranked at S5 and fell into Bronze due to playing 9 consecutive games with at least 1 DC on my team. Its basically been a similar hell since. So this season started and after going 7-3 in my provisional matches I was placed in B5. Because that makes sense. I spent from the moment this season started until Late April just trying to escape the trolls in B5. Finally worked my way up to B3 this month and things had been going well. But the trolls must have let each other through now because they are back. Entering games with players who say "Give me this champ in this lane I carry" who proceed to feed the other team senseless or kids who "Oh they picked this champ? I can counter him I got this." and proceed to feed the other team senseless. Oh, and my favorite? "Jungle or feed" (Gets jungle) goes 0/4/0 to start the game. Like really if I knew you were gonna feed regardless I would have at least taken my preferred role. Also "Jungle omg where were you why arent you ganking top" Um how about because we are 4 minutes in and I'm literally ganking mid lane while you are saying this. Or "Jungle for real came top once" Um yes because mid is 0/2 bot is 0/6 and I can't babysit 3 lanes simultaneously.

I just played a game where my bot lane was a combined 0/37/4.

Lux after starting 0/6/0 gave up, blamed her adc, and started mindlessly running down mid lane over and over. Final score 0/17/2.

Vayne on the other hand wasn't intentionally feeding she was just THAT bad. She split pushed all game and took a total of 2 turrets (separate lanes) while maintaining the lowest gold earned besides Lux. Her final score was 0/20/2. Yes I said 0/20/2 and that wasn't intentional. She out-fed the person intentionally feeding!

Why is this game terrible for new players? Because it's pointless. I just got demoted back to B4 because my bot lane went a combined 0/37/4. That isn't fun. That isn't humorous. That isn't a game. You can give me the arguments that yes some guys duo'ed from Bronze to Master or whatever but they are pro players and actually had the chance to work together. I love this game but the fact that it is almost unplayable is ridiculous. Next argument: "Well if you report players like that then they will have consequences and won't be able to continue to play the game." Again it does nothing. You can't tell me that all these people are being reported and action being taken when one of them is in 2 out of 5 games.

Oh and I managed to be 7/8/8 in that game with fewest deaths on my team and most damage taken. I was Eve and built a GA 5th item as only tank item. So its not like I was just tanking damage and leaving. You can't tell me I didn't try hard enough or do enough or play good enough. By the way 7 kills was tied for most on team as well and 8 assists was the most on the team. Hell we only had 17 kills total so I had 88% Kill participation.

If you haven't had this game for enough years to have gotten into Gold before it became as big as it is then you are just trapped in an endless nightmare of people who literally make me lose faith in humanity. Like sometimes I just want to pretend that other players in this game aren't real people because the lack of basic intelligence and common sense is so astounding that humanity's future is seriously in trouble.

I needed to vent. But seriously this game is becoming unplayable. It's ridiculous.

Reasons I lose in League: 5% Terrible game totally my fault 10% other player was better I got beat 55% My entire team fed and I can't 1v5 20% Player on my team disconnected 10% Trolls

-slow clap-

I feel you... Took me a whole 1.5 yrs (due to my lack of time being able to play) to get out of bronze.... Silver isn't "Quite" as bad.. but it's still pretty abysmal...

Vertigo Shtick1 votes

This is why I just uninstalled League. WHY is the community in Bronze such garbage? Like yeah people will say just to play Normals and whatnot, and I do play ARAMs a lot but I'd like to get ranked. But oh well!

ShaftyMegee1 votes

You say that only 15% of the time you had something to do with the loss? You can ALWAYS do something better. I don't blame you for having shit team mates because we all get them, but in order to get better you must think of how you could have played such situation better instead of blaming others

phirestarter1 votes

confirmed. post is legit.

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