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Retroactive Punishments for Improved Players is Not Acceptable

RunningxMan23··1 votes·530 views

WIth Riot Lyte's recent 'miscommunication', and then the 'correction', I still don't understand how retroactively punishing players again is okay in any situation.

If people are toxic at the end of the season, ESPECIALLY BEING AWARE BEFORE HAND of the consequences, I wholeheartedly support the communicated decision to remove whatever rewards they've earned. But, I will never support the further punishment of people who were banned MONTHS ago, servered their punishment and improved, and who have not been 'toxic' since. If you want to increase punishments for toxic players, make it effective the day it is communicated. Think of it like a law, it has to be documented/communicated before it can be enforced.

This would be a very dissapointing decision to punish people who improved, as is Riot Lyte's apparent objective, but are then still punished for something that happened months ago. It is, to me, such a huge disservice to those who played all season grinding to improve both mechanically and in their attitude but are told towards the end of the season it was all for nothing.

I hope this post reaches Riot's decision makers and helps them in their discussions to not support a precedent of retroactive punishments.

I'm not here to defend toxic players, I'm here to defend those that have improved and are looking forward to being rewarded as expected.

Thanks for reading.

16 Comments

GroundRuleDouble3 votes

If you improved, don't get punished next year and get the rewards then.

RunningxMan231 votes

I've already improved, no need to punish me anymore than I already was. But, I suppose if you don't understand my frustration, you are too focused on whatever bias you have against my position instead of the logical argument of never retroactively increasing someones punishment. There is no logical, historical, or beneficial conclusion by adding punishments to those already punished.

GroundRuleDouble1 votes

See my post below. This was a similar thing last year. Everyone knew it was coming.

SmokedAlmonds3 votes

Riot did this same thing last year so its not even new. I do agree they could have communicated it better, but it shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone.

MarshallBananna3 votes

you don't have to "improve" to get rewards.

you have to improve to not be a dick. The improvement is it's own reward, the End of Season reward is the icing, not the cake.

ESPECIALLY BEING AWARE BEFORE HAND of the consequences

The consequences for toxicity are known already. It includes bans, chat restrictions, and just like last year, not getting a reward.

RunningxMan231 votes

The punishments you list, are the known consequences. They are also the punishment for the 'crime' of being toxic. It's like going to jail for some minor offense, but then the cops show up again and say, "hey, we decided you need to go back to jail, because...well...you haven't done anything wrong...you just need to go again, because we say so."

It seems there is a disconnect between the punishment and the crime. You can't just keep adding punishments retroactively, because it should work. Punishments should only be added from the time they are communicated onward. If this example doesn't work for you, then we have to agree to disagree, but the argument to disagree with my post has no logical or historical merit.

SmokedAlmonds2 votes

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The punishments you list, are the known consequences. They are also the punishment for the 'crime' of being toxic. It's like going to jail for some minor offense, but then the cops show up again and say, "hey, we decided you need to go back to jail, because...well...you haven't done anything wrong...you just need to go again, because we say so."

It seems there is a disconnect between the punishment and the crime. You can't just keep adding punishments retroactively, because it should work. Punishments should only be added from the time they are communicated onward. If this example doesn't work for you, then we have to agree to disagree, but the argument to disagree with my post has no logical or historical merit.

The policy already existed. You not knowing about it doesn't make it retroactive.

RunningxMan231 votes

You show me where this policy 'already existed' - as in was communicated or accessible in any fashion - and I'll say you were right. Since i also put in a support ticket for it, I can already tell you it didn't exist as Riot was still finalizing the requirements as of last week.

Thanks for trying though!

MarshallBananna2 votes

The punishments you list, are the known consequences. They are also the punishment for the 'crime' of being toxic. It's like going to jail for some minor offense, but then the cops show up again and say, "hey, we decided you need to go back to jail, because...well...you haven't done anything wrong...you just need to go again, because we say so."

you seem to be mistaking not getting a reward with getting punished.

Punishment, as is in this game, implies taking something away from the player, be it the ability to chat, or the ability to play at all. If Riot doesn't take anything from you, but gives to everyone else, it's not punishing you, it's rewarding everyone else.

To use your own example :

It's like going to jail for some minor offense, but then the cops show up again and say, "hey, we decided to give everyone who wasn't punished this year a bonus, as a reward for being such a good sport. Those who where punished, better luck next year, if you learned your lesson"

Riot didn't take away anything from you. They simply game stuff to someone else.

I'll ask this, why should you or everyone else who was punished but "got better" be just as entitled to a reward as somebody who was always a good, nice player from the start?

RunningxMan231 votes

You seem to not understand the definition of what these end of season rewards are - they are what you EARNED during the season for achieving a certain rank. That's it. They are not a badge for your in-game attitude. Although, Riot seems to be grouping them all together.

To entertain your question, those free skins they gave out earlier in the season, those are rewards for being a 'positive/nice' player. It's that simple. Using the word 'entitled' as well is interesting, because it shows a lack of understanding of what I'm talking about. Entitled means there is no effort, it is simply expected and deserved out of some privilege.

End of season rewards are what you EARN based on your ranked progress and achievements. There is nothing 'entitled' about them.

You're mixing up the rewards earned vs rewards given, so I hope this helps clarify my stance.

MarshallBananna1 votes

Ok.

2 players "earn" their rank and thus qualify for the season reward.

player A was a nice player. Didn't rage, didn't curse, didn't negatively affect other players.

player B was a military grad A-hole throughout most of the season, got punished, got "better".

It is entirely in the realm of possibility for Riot to the decide that, while player B qualifies for the reward in terms of skill and rank, his attitude through out part of the season does not reflect what they want to see in a player, and thus refuse to reward him.

And as far as i know, that is the case.

Trylobyte3 votes

Nothing retroactive about it. Most of us knew this was coming from the moment they did it last year - Get banned during the regular season, no rewards for you. It's just part of the punishment. If you said this last year, when it was actually legitimately retroactive, you'd have had more of a point.

GroundRuleDouble2 votes

This is from last year's season rewards on leagueoflegends.com

"In addition, players who whose behavior is among the most negative in their region will NOT be eligible for end of season rewards. In most regions, this penalty will apply to the most negatively behaved players who are ranked restricted (or chat-restricted in regions without ranked restrictions)."

So, if you have negative behavior, don't be surprised to have your rewards not given to you.

Forn ala creme1 votes

I just don't get it. Lyte said that people who had "ruined hundreds of thousands of games", players who had several 20-minute LeaverBuster, wouldn't receive rewards.

I had a LB streak in Spring ("ruining", about max 20 games IIRC), (wooden PC..) and has since not getting LB a single time. If this means I won't get season rewards I'd be really sad, considering I have improved my behavior since.

nerak231 votes

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