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State Of Youmuu's Ghostblade

Falacy··1 votes·225 views

Youmuu's Ghostblade

-Worth 2700

-30 AD

-15% Crit Chance

-10% CDR

Unique Passive:20 Armor Pen

Active: Grants 20% bonus Movement Speed and 40%Attack Speed(6 seconds for melee, 4 sec for ranged)(45 sec cooldown)

Attack Speed And Crit (Useless?):

I cannot find any champion that would utilize this items full potential unless it is a character heavilty dependant on Attack Speed and Crit Chance (Tryndamere and Master Yi). Even then, when it comes to Attack Speed and Crit Chance this item is clearly out classed by its counterparts (Sword Of The Divine, Phantom Dancer, Static Shiv, etc). One factor being, is that you do not get the Attack Speed without the Active; which only lasts 4-6 seconds. Without the Attack Speed there is no reason why this item should be bought for the crit chance, unless your champion has some sort of crit or attack speed bonus(The more Auto Attacks you can deliver, the more likely you can land crits). Unless you are buying other Crit Chance items to make this item be worth it. This item by itself does not justify the reason of getting it for the crit chance or attack speed alone.

Attack Damage and Armor Penetration:

The stats this item brings, seems to revolve around having it early during the early-mid game phase. The flat armor penetration this item gives you is really nice. Although, I do not think it is worth completing the item for.

First Off:

-The item lacks proper attack damage bonuses for the cost.

-You will have problems farming for it. The parts are pretty bad and does not offer much for laning except the armor pen from brutalizer.

-You will most likely have trouble laning with it as your first item since it can be easily outclassed by HP and/or any champion that has a decent amount of armor. Also, any item that does more damage than it.

TL;DR/Suggestion for Youmuu's:

This item takes way to long to build. You sacrifice your laning phase for it and most likely won't see any rewards after investing. There are better and bigger items worth investing that 2700g. I suggest adding more parts to it, having it build out of a pickaxe or a long sword so the item can have 45-50 attack damage worth the 2700G. As an alternative you can reduce the price overall or make the active worth the gold.

7 Comments

SonsofaBastages1 votes

Try Putting it on a bruiser with Triforce. It's more similar to Cleaver than Shiv (well maybe somewhere inbetween). If someone does a lot of phys damage and can make use of the crit at all (Garen, J IV), consider trying this instead of the Cleaver. Don't forget the active is all about the MS - the AS is nice but the chasing/running ability the active gives you is a bigger deal than the extra DPS.

Falacy1 votes

You list champions that currently only build defensively. If they build an offensive item, it will more than likely be Black Cleaver.

"Try putting in on a bruiser with Triforce." Sure, why not? Youmuu's Ghostblade looks more of a complementary item if anything. You don't see the point of this post. It is about Youmuu's Ghostblade as a sole item, not having multiple items to force Youmuu's Ghostblade to feel like a good item.

Nexus Crawler1 votes

Youmuu's is actually "worth" a lot more than the 2700 it costs to build. For one that 20 ArPen is a pretty big deal, as well as the 10% CDR, and 20% MS from the active. Any and all Auto Attackers can significantly benefit from the item due to these stats alone not even including the 40% AS from the active.

20% MS = ~1,000g

30 AD = ~1,100g

10% CDR = 322g

40% AS = 1300g

15% Crit = 740g

As you can see it's total worth is in excess of 4,000g not including the ArPen.

Just an example here as well.

Irelia, gains benefits from Q, R. and AA's from the AD and Pen. The AS benefits her AA's and W. Crit benefits AA's. CDR benefits every thing. MS benefits escapes/chases.

There's probably more that I'm not thinking about right now.

Falacy1 votes

Not sure where you are getting your math from. When completing an item, it has a slightly higher price than multiple parts added up together. Also Youmuu's Ghostblade Build up:

Avarice Blade +10% Crit Chance=800g

Brutalizer +25AD/+10% CDR/+10 Armor Pen= 1337

800+1337=2137======> 2700-2137= Need 563g to complete.

Have you noticed that when you have all the parts of Triforce there is not a huge gold gap of actually completing the item? In fact it is only 3g, you can wait in base for that. Triforce offers so much more than Youmuu's btw. So, what factor are you going to use for the completed upgrade? You put a price on the passive!

You are also not taking into consideration of how this item is easily outclassed or what the point of this post is. Youmuu's Ghostblade is not worth the cost due to it being outclassed by other item. I doubt anyone would try to buy this item, even if they were ahead. If you want chase/escape potential along with Attack Speed, Blade of the Ruined King looks a lot better since it offers more potential in lane. Is that +20 Armor pen really worth the wait? Nope. Black Cleaver Part:

Brutalizer +25AD/+10% CDR/+10 Armor Pen= 1337

Ruby Crystal +180 Health = 475

1337+475=1812=====> 3000-1812= Need 1188g to complete

When it come to Armor Penetration, clearly the route to go would be Black Cleaver even if you need an extra 1188g. Why? Because of it's passive! It does 10 flat armor pen and also reduces the enemies armor by a percent amount making it scale into any phase of the game extremely well.

Also I would like to throw in that Last Whisper is 2300g. Its pasive is ignoring 35% of your enemies armor. I can have Last Whisper more early on for armor pen and just focus on building damage items. Why should I invest in an item that can only be usefull early game, but is easily outclassed by other items? Also I hear percent armor reduction is more valuable if your enemy has 62-100 armor(Not sure about this, but I believe it to be true). Which strengthens the case why I should invest in Last Whisper more than Youmuu's Ghostblade.

Have you actually tried laning with this item? There is barely a differnce from brutalizer. Except for the fact you get random crits and a passive that does practically nothing for its short duration. As I said before, this item needs to have a complementary item to make it worthwhile or to be on a champion that can utilize its full potential early on (Which is only a handful). Even then, those selected few don't even attempt to pick-up this item.

Nexus Crawler1 votes

I wasn't talking about just the completion cost. Although if you want to just factor in the cost for completion for the stats you get then you're talking about:

Upgrade cost 537g, for 10ArPen, 5AD, 5%Crit, 40AS, 20%MS.

The stats for the gold are still at the very least twice as good as the combine cost. This isn't even factoring last hits with an Avarice Blade (2g per kill) which reduces the effective cost albeit by a rather mediocre margin.

As for Black Cleaver, it does provide useful stats but those stats aren't necessarily an upfront benefit, nor does it provide the additional utility. Also attempting to go BC + BotRK is a significant investment that could put you much further behind in the long run while you try piecing together 6.2k without getting any sort of beefiness as a melee champion.

Yes Last Whisper is a strong item choice. Flat penetration is generally better early on, however the active is strong all game. As for why get Youmuu's over LW it like most things in the game is situational. If for example the other team isn't stacking much Armor then GB functions at near the same level while providing more utility. If they're stacking heavy armor then of course LW,should be your go to.

Here's another thing. Flat penetrations are better vs lower armored targets, BUT this self scales and gains more value when you have %pen shredding through their armor so in some cases getting Flat values stacked on top of your %penetrations can cause even a pretty beefy bruiser to take what amounts to true damage from penetration stackers AA's and Skills.

Lastly you're coming off as pretty hostile when I simply came in here offering a short post on how Youmuu's was cost effective, and that your original post doesn't take that into account.

TLDR: you're coming off as a jerk, and I was offering constructive imput for future discussions based on Youmuu's very cost effectiveness. Youmuu's like a lot of items are some what niche or situational buys that people possibly undervalue due to not seeing many people build it.

Falacy1 votes

Didn't intend to. But have you actually laned with the item? People are more than likely to either stack armor or just build hp. Nulling out the +30 AD and slowly making the armorpen useless, all you are left with in mid-game is the passive. Unless you are playing at bot lane vs low armored targets you can see it being beneficial. It will quickly fall off though since those low target people stack AD like no tomorrow and outdoing your +30ad/20armpen in no time. They also recieve armor per level so it will slowly null out your armorpen. Also it isn't really "cost-effective" if you aren't making good use of it. Which you will probably never see unless your lane is hugely snowballed.

Nexus Crawler1 votes

I have laned with it, and it can be a very good item. Their scaling and stacking is assuming you're not doing the same. You get scaling AD, as well as a gold income which if you can use to further snowball your lane. This doesn't even include the base damages on skills as you level them which scale with and often times better with penetration than it does from AD. Don't forget too that you're most likely running 15 flat AD from runes, and getting further AD scaling if you've specced offense.

That's not to say everyone can benefit from it over other items, just that by itself it brings quite a lot to the table. Especially since it's a self scaling item in regards to it providing all 4 AD scaling stats AD/AS/ArPen/Crit while providing the utility to either engage or disengage which provides additional play options like popping Youmuu's and forcing a flash, only to then use your gapclose.

Utility is often times underrated. Now again I'll state that it isn't a must buy, but in a lot of cases, especially if you're playing into mid game or lack a convient gapclose outside of flash it becomes a very strong item choice much like Guise was before the addition of Liandries into league which the Koreans saw the value in. A midgame item to abuse on aggressive AP's to more easily snowball and scale into mid.

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