Darius and Garen, will they still beat Riven?

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No, Darius will no longer be able to beat riven. The delay on his Q will make her able to dodge all Q, and the lack of AS reduction will let her combo easily. Also, the damage reduction will make him really easy to beat. The numbers are very low actually, don't know what riot is thinking

i feared that man.... i love Darius and Riven... i play them both but they completely changed Darius's kit. :( His Q is now predictable, and overall he depends on auto attacks now ( and attack speed ) for his passive. They're forcing you to build BOTRK/TF on him, like it's a must now. His passive got nerfed as well so you won't be like, " YES I GOT HIM " anymore.... that often that is. His damage looks like it went down the drain... i think tanky Darius is gone, and now it's bruiser Darius because of his Q low damage +AD damage.

If a good Riven can beat a Darius early game, with this nerfs/changes is now worst for Darius against her.

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I would say Darius would still win. As long as Darius builds "Juggernaut" he should continue to uncare. Big whoop if Q has a delay. If you have checked on it you would know it doesn't slow down Darius at all. And Unless Riven wants to use EVERY DASH to get away from you instead of fighting you will just win lane.

Now if Darius's Q can be interrupted by riven dashing in and stunning...That is a different kettle of "This sucks."

she can E away, Q back in +A +Q +A +W +A +Q away. OR what if she E towards him and just W to cancel his Q?....

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Lol no they won't, they were barely able to in the first place. is one of my favorite toplaners, I win most matchups but Riven is not one of them. Her CC keeps fucking interrupting my combos, her shield negates a big part of my damage, and she jumps around way too much for my immobile ass to keep up with her. And Darius has a 45% winrate vs. Riven in Plat+ so I know i'm not the only one. After these changes, Darius is going to be absolute trash in lane.

i beat every single riven with darius, it's all about cloth start, smart trades, and applying those bleeds early. a good riven can easily beat a darius early game, super critical not to feed her early or else it's gg. but i can't see it happening now with the new darius kit sadly. we'll see....