PEOPLE CALM DOWN RIOT ISN'T PERFECT

Arød·Jan 15, 2016·113 votes·4,743 views

like seriously riot is implementing A WHOLE NEW SYSTEM. And admit it its not gonna be perfect SORRY riot isn't perfect. Its a new season riot is trying new things out and yes its unpleasant now yes its not fun NOW. But the goddamn game is free riot isn't here to hold your hand. You wait for this testing and BETA CHAMP SELECT..... Yes its unfortunate, yes its not great but what would you do? keep the system never have the game change it's called growing pains people let it happen relax IT GETS BETTER.

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ShaftyMegeeJan 15, 201618 votes

Hard to read but plus 1 to you

Lithium RosaJan 15, 20169 votes

I have nothing against the new system, it is good and I like it. But the decision of deleting Team Builder is nothing other than plain stupidity.

PeponiPoroJan 15, 20162 votes

I suspect they have re-purposed the server for Team Builder to help in supporting Gamemodes, ARAM, Dominion, or perhaps even the new champ select. They had a reason for taking it down, it was not plain stupidity.

AnihakuJan 15, 20162 votes

But it is the MAJOR reason why everyone is up in arms. Riot failed in this aspect alone. I'm happy/grateful that Riot implemented this change for ranked/draft BUT leave TB alone.

MushCrushYouJan 16, 20161 votes

Disagree, it was very plain stupidity.

TNHA BaritoneJan 15, 20166 votes

The funny thing is, people were mad that Riot pulled the dates back. LOL You can't expect them to put it out ASAP and then have it not be buggy.

ArødJan 15, 20165 votes

Ya idk like people expect everything they want. I think they need to realize you are playing this game for free. Bugs and things are gonna happen.

TNHA BaritoneJan 15, 20165 votes

"you are playing this game for free"

LIKE REALLY! ^^^^^ Im so glad you said that.

Everyone complains after Riot releases a rework or something and yeah, you can have your opinion on things but people are so UNGRATEFUL. I

PeponiPoroJan 15, 20162 votes

You... love that Riot has produced a pretty fun game that admittedly has problems like any other game but is nonetheless free?

TNHA BaritoneJan 15, 20161 votes

Yes, if you never make mistakes then you cannot improve

MushCrushYouJan 16, 20161 votes

Atleast when you make a mistake, You try to fix it as quickly as possible, especially and easy fix like putting TB back up.

TNHA BaritoneJan 16, 20162 votes

Its amazing how fast people say stuff like that yet they can't do it themselves.

MushCrushYouJan 16, 20161 votes

Your FREE is not exactly FREE!!!,, Especially if you support their money making avenue of sales. As most of us do. So get off the FREE horse chit.

TNHA BaritoneJan 16, 20163 votes

You can get challanger by spending 0 dollars on this game. AKA its a free game

ZaalonJan 15, 20164 votes

http://www.mbird.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Im-Not-Perfect-But-I-Keep-Trying.jpg

NautJan 15, 20164 votes

I don't think you understand what doing something for your occupation means. It is RIOT's JOB to make these new systems work on release. This is what QA divisions and beta testing is for. People have a right to be upset; they were promised a working system today, and RIOT failed to deliver. Think of it this way, if you went to a restaurant and ordered a hamburger, and you got back a bun, a raw beef patty, and a leaf of lettuce, all covered in ketchup, would you be upset? I would. This is much the same thing. Yea, people do make mistakes. That does not mean mistakes are excusable.

ArødJan 15, 20165 votes

Heres the thing that burger costs money the game doesn't.... AND It is there job but they put what word in there BETA. And give me proof of this promise cause we know that is probably not true.

Rew711Jan 15, 20163 votes

You forget... they took away Team Builder. Now, obviously you are blind (this is a metaphor), so let me explain this to you. This update is not a updated Team Builder, in actuality its a updated Draft Pick. (GASP!!) Yes, yes, I know that things in a BETA are typically going to be hard to work with, but thats where Riot is also being dumb; they aren't keeping the systems that actually work. Instead of replacing Draft Pick with the New Champ Select, they replace Team Builder. So yeah, not only will we not have Team Builder, we won't have Blind Pick either. If you don't mind me, I'll be in ARAM, Dominion, or Twisted Treeline where things feel normal and off-meta picks and plays can still be allowed.

ReposerJan 15, 20161 votes

Team Builder had its flaws, and was necessary to remove to help this system work well. You can't split it up between Teambuilder 2.0 and Teambuilder, since their entire goal here was to reduce queue times, while giving players roles that they wanted. On top of that, there IS going to be a blind pick version of this in the future, but these things take time to implement. At that point it'll be an updated teambuilder more or less through-and-through.

Also you say we don't have blind pick but like, have you even attempted to look? That's still available, and you have every possibility of doing it. And if you really wanna do off-meta picks in a normal YOU CAN. It's a damn normal, no one really cares, and if they do they're just whiners. Nothing's on the line trying something new in a blind pick or even the new Draft pick. Just yesterday I decided to try Zed jungle because why not? Outside of initial confusion, it went fine and they didn't care.

Rew711Jan 15, 20164 votes

You probably used Team Builder, I can tell, and I've looked at this from both sides. Here's that side of thinking:

Team Builder has been improved to bring people together in a easy fashion. Now, we can have someone who wants to be in this role, in this role; and if they can't find their specific role in a few minutes they can fall back on their second choice. People need to give this mode a chance and see that its not that bad. Nothing starts off perfect, and this mode just needs some time.

But, I found contradictions in that way of thinking. It may not be your thoughts or anyones but mine, but this is the reason I don't like what they are doing. It does feel forced. On the other way of thinking:

Team Builder was just put into the game, nothing got taken out or replaced for Team Builder to be there. We, as a community asked for version of Team Builder for Ranked, and this version sure meets all the requirements, but it takes away modes that were not only there from the beginning, but it takes away a lot of freedoms we use to do on Summoner's Rift.

You also don't understand, this shouldn't be a replacement nor should it take away every mode in the future. What you're saying is true, I should be allowed to do whatever, but it also labels me as a troll, feeder, and I get bans just for it if it ends in failure. Can't name all the times its happened.

You also call this Team Builder 2.0 but what about this new version is better or improved? You don't get the champ you want unless you don't ban it and no one else gets it before you. You aren't building a Team in this mode, its basically like every other mode where its a mystery until you get into champ select. So again, is the really Team Builder, or is it actually a newer and improved version of Draft Pick?

MushCrushYouJan 16, 20161 votes

Thank you. Very well stated.

TrollyZZJan 15, 20161 votes

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Heres the thing that burger costs money the game doesn't.... AND It is there job but they put what word in there BETA. And give me proof of this promise cause we know that is probably not true.

Hmm.. Let me buy a skin or two.. A champ maybe.MEH.. THE GAME IS STILL FREE.

But now seriously. The game is not free and we,the players are falling for their marketing (not that its a bad thing.People are trying to do their job and they have to get paid eventually).But calling a game that is making more people buy most of their things every day (In-game or not.. lol). You cannot call it free 100%.

NB moneyJan 15, 20163 votes

dude... u r playing the worlds most played PC game for free, riot is putting more money in making this a growing and better game, and u know riot is only asking u to pay for skins thats it... and all u say is they cant make mistakes, mistakes r not excusable. really give riot a break and tell them, how good of a job they did and thank you for another amazing season! not complain that they make mistakes, i mean wtf how perfect r u to say that!

MushCrushYouJan 16, 20162 votes

still waiting for a chance to be able to tell them they are doing a great job, but it hasn't happened yet.

NB moneyJan 16, 20161 votes

same. :/

RolldembonesJan 15, 20163 votes

Well I would thank them for the free burger, take it home and cook it. I would make the best of it. Why would I be upset at a business that is giving me something for free, even if its not perfect?

ArødJan 15, 20162 votes

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ you da man

ObericJan 15, 20164 votes

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Well I would thank them for the free burger, take it home and cook it. I would make the best of it. Why would I be upset at a business that is giving me something for free, even if its not perfect?

Then when you get home with your burger, they come into your house and take your hamburger buns.

That's them removing team builder in exchange for redesigning draft mode.

CaffeintJan 15, 20162 votes

They took the buns with worms (the trolls) in it and replaced the patty with a better one. I'll take it!

ObericJan 17, 20161 votes

I don't know where these "team builder trolls" were, because I very very rarely had them.

ModKnightsKemplarJan 15, 20163 votes

Slay those donuts, brother. You are correct.

NB moneyJan 15, 20163 votes

i really hope this post gets everyone's eye. this is the best thing anyone has ever said!

TouchpadExpertJan 15, 20162 votes

Riot isn't perfect. General Discussion reminds them of this every day. According to GD there is a special place in the depths of hell for Riot's balance team, Riot Lyte and all the forum mods.

BitterBlossomJan 15, 20162 votes

you said this in a very polite way, everytime i ehar people complaining about riot's balanches and new things i reply the same way:

"There is a reason of why you are nobody and riot is the creator of the msot played game in the world, because you know NOTTHING and are unable to do ANYTHING if not complain, and riot emplyees are artists and engeneers."

i hate all the crying boohooo fiora is ugly i'd ahve drawn her better, huaaa huaaa this is op i could balanche it way better

No, you couldnt, you knwo absolutely NOTTHING or ANYTHING.

IM SO AGGRESSIVE AGH

iainB85Jan 15, 20162 votes

I've said it in other threads and I will continue to say it: Stop being a white knight for Riot, it doesn't do either side any good.

If Riot drops the ball, people absolutely should express their displeasure at the current state of the game. Riot should absolutely feel bad, but dust themselves off and work twice as hard to get everything back in order ASAP.

People rushing to Riot's defense every time they drop the ball and saying, "It's ok, we aren't mad, we're just so proud of you for trying!" is akin to the, "everybody gets a trophy" mentality that is leading to our current generation of self entitled kids.

TL;DR: Get fired up and let Riot know when you aren't happy. They should have a fire under their asses when they mess up and work twice as hard to fix it. That's how good jobs work.

AlleoJan 15, 20161 votes

Letting them know we aren't happy doesn't get the bug fixed any faster. It takes just as long when someone is pissed off as it would if no one said anything. It takes the same amount of time to fix code no matter what people are feeling and rushing it makes them more likely to miss something or cause a bigger problem.

iainB85Jan 15, 20161 votes

Entirely not true. It may take the same amount of work hours, but the span of time those work hours are allocated can certainly be effected by how much it is effecting the community of the game.

If something is severely negatively impacting the community, one would hope Riot is allocating more resources to that problem and/or putting in OT to get it resolved as quickly as possible.

I know if I have an unhappy client in my work I certainly have to do the same. It's called good business and being dedicated and standing by your product.

But if you want to roll over and say, "Good try Riot -- you'll get it next release!" and let them off the hook with no accountability, then that is on you.

Bossman POJOJan 15, 20162 votes

What you said is pretty much "this bullets may taste better, after I've had the first magazine."

FeverNightJan 15, 20161 votes

Uh, who said it was free. I for one have dropped hundreds into this game. Is RIOT a non-profit? Quit playing the free card. Quit showing how naive you are by not recognizing a common business model to make tons of money....

SithesisLordJan 15, 20167 votes

I for one have dropped hundreds into this game.

By your own choice. Not because Riot implemented a system that forced you to spend hundreds to play, which they didn´t. :)

James StoneJan 15, 20162 votes

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Uh, who said it was free. I for one have dropped hundreds into this game. Is RIOT a non-profit? Quit playing the free card. Quit showing how naive you are by not recognizing a common business model to make tons of money....

"I chose to give my money freely into an organization that requests it but does not demand it. This must mean the organizatiob isn't free".

No one gives a shit about you, mate. You being weakwilled (it's how you're presenting yourself at least) does not in any way change the fact the game is free. In fact it confirms it, you're the cash cow drained to support the free players.

Take this from someone who spent far more than 100 bucks in this game: if you think Riot is somehow at fault for your spending, you have problems that reach far further than League.

The "free card" is merely a reminder Riot doesn't charge you from the usage of their product, and that this should give you more leeniency for their mistakes. So sorry, bucko, but your 100 bucks can't buy you crap in the way of special treatment. There are many worst things than beta testing a champ select in works in a free game for a short while

FeverNightJan 16, 20161 votes

What is the difference if i choose to buy skins, etc, or buy the game. It is always going to be my choice. I like the product and I was happy to purchase these items. This was not my point. The point is RIOT is yielding the same revenue, if not more, as "Paid for" software so therefore to infer that because the game is "free" equates to RIOT being exempt from criticism when the product has problems is invalid. I am also certain that most players who actively play this game all drop money in it. Skins are common in every game. So i guess the majority of the active community are subject to your disrespect in regards to those who actually support the development of this game. So more upvotes for you right!

MushCrushYouJan 16, 20161 votes

Exactly my point, we spend money on this game, we buy champs, but then the champs we bought get a complete overhaul and are no longer the champs we bought, nor want. Yet we get no credit back for having a useless champ that we did not originally buy. SUCH AS FIORA!!!!! I want my champ back, or the money I spent for riot points to get her.

WordseJan 16, 20162 votes

So what about the people that bought her with time? Played enough games to raise the IP shod Riot refund time too? (Side bar sorry)

I guess in my eye you payed for riots character and other people did too I did but I personally like the changes so I got more for my money its great! But going through the player base an refunding their RP for not liking X would just get them appeased. And then people spend the RP again.

TheVishualJan 15, 20161 votes

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like seriously riot is implementing A WHOLE NEW SYSTEM. And admit it its not gonna be perfect SORRY riot isn't perfect. Its a new season riot is trying new things out and yes its unpleasant now yes its not fun NOW. But the goddamn game is free riot isn't here to hold your hand. You wait for this testing and BETA CHAMP SELECT..... Yes its unfortunate, yes its not great but what would you do? keep the system never have the game change it's called growing pains people let it happen relax IT GETS BETTER.

There's a certain level of quality to be expected from the largest game in the world... They have the resources to make shit work on launch they just have shitty management.

I hate when people defend Riot like this its so stupid. This is not a "free" game anymore (I don't care if you don't buy things, I do) and people should be more demanding because of it.

SithesisLordJan 15, 20162 votes

It´s still a free game. You buy things that are cosmetic and in no way give you an advantage. Other than the 'I got skins, i´m better than you' ego boasting, obviously.

The game is still free and people still play it without even touching the Purchase RP button in the shop. Because what really matters gameplay wise can all be purchased with IP.

SupremePowerJan 15, 20161 votes

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The FastJan 15, 20161 votes

If you notice, RIOT is busy working on aesthetics/"cute"/"kawaii" things and draining the cash cow before its milk goes rotten.

There's so much wrong here. I don't know how many times it has to be said that different teams assume different responsibilities. You cannot say "RIOT is busy working on aesthetics" when the thing you want fixed CANNOT be fixed by the manpower going into the ART department.

Also, "draining the cash cow" in this case makes zero sense. League of Legends is an esport on top of everything else, meaning that just trying to suck all the money out of it IMMEDIATELY is a HORRIBLE business decision. Publishers can do that with shit like CoD or Battlefield because those games come out every year or two, but league is a consistent things with no sequels. The "draining the cash cow" philosophy would be a horrible decision.

Furthermore, some skins are banned not because "they are too noisy," though I can imagine this being a reason for some. Skins are banned from competitive when they too heavily alter a champion's silhouette. Something like Pulsefire Ezreal is not immediately recognizable by the uninitiated to be Ezreal because their silhouettes are so different, while something like DJ Sona can be allowed (I presume) because that sillhouette is still distinctly recognizable as Sona regardless of your familiarity to the game. There will always be a touch of subjectivity to this, so its hard to say what exactly should or shouldnt be allowed, but in the end this is Riot's decision to make pro play look more exciting to people who aren't necessarily league players.

**TL;DR - Skins team can't solve client issues. Draining the cash cow is a horrible business move for a league of legends style game. Banned skins from pro play are done so primarily because of readability issues for people who are not accustomed to the game environment. **

If you haven't noticed, about 90% of the time, the latest champion will always be the most powerful, or have the best kit for the current meta.

I'm sorry what? Are you implying champions are released specifically when they can do well? Champions take MONTHS to make. They can't predict the future. Are you saying these champions are always popular and therefore "meta?" Because thats not how it works. THey are almost always somewhat popular because they are new, not because they are perfect for the meta. Everyone wants to play with the new thing.

Now, if you are saying Riot deliberately releases champions when they are overtuned? I'd agree with this somewhat, but it also makes sense. It is MUCH easier to tune a champion down, than up, to start with. If they are too strong, you can simply take down what makes them strong, or take down everything but their unique strength to make them better off. You wanna talk underpowered releases? Gragas. Old gragas was released in a buggy underpowered state. So everyone avoided him. So they buffed him. But everyone STILL avoided him because of the stigma attached to him. What happened? He ended up being the strongest mage in the game without any hint of it showing until he exploded into every queue across the world as the most dominant mage in the game. I'd rather something obviously strong tuned down over time than have a sleeper timebomb ready to destroy everyone because no one knows about him.

TL;DR - Riot can't see the future. Champions being released too strong and then being tuned down is much more reliable than other methods of tuning new units.

Don't get me wrong, I hate plenty of shit Riot does, and I think they can do better. But your criticisms lack substance.

SupremePowerJan 29, 20161 votes

Yeah you're right. I have no idea what I'm talking about. http://imgur.com/Pq9j4f9

I haven't played the game over years to see the pattern or the way things have worked for ages now. Obviously I'm just bad complaining about being bad and RIOT has never ever made a mistake. Nor will they ever.

/sarcasm

My problem isn't League to be honest, its a solid game, but isn't the best, or even close to how good it was a number of patches ago... The problem is MOBAs and their DNA. The f2p model makes it really tough to get control of things when people can just make new accounts to troll or start over when banned. (Not to mention the smurfs that make a living off leveling up smurfs/boosting.)

If you think RIOT doesn't coordinate releases with patches and skin releases you are delusional.

I loved this game more than anything in the world. It brought me joy, it helped me make friends, it gave me something to look forward to after a long crappy day. But now there is just anger, casual mechanics, and trolls. Oh god the trolls.

I've been staying away on this account due to NA being so nasty with comments. Playing on smurfs really makes you realize that although some people can be mean in other places, nobody makes you feel like sh!t just quite the way NA does.

If RIOT were to focus on just polishing what they have, and innovating within that realm of beauty and balance, League would have a lot more of a promising future. This holds true for any MOBA out right now, honestly. Developers need to stop cramming new "content" down our throats and really weave what they have together. But in today's society with 30 second attention spans I can see why they have to cater to the easily entertained. Whether it be with shiny particles, temporary game modes, overpowered champ releases, or easy to learn/easy to master kits...

Even going as far as nerfing/reworking champs that DON'T NEED IT (Swain pls, why?!?!)

I will continue to play the game because I've invested a lot of time into it and I really do enjoy playing it now and again. Nobody but RIOT can stop me from doing so, and I will voice how I feel about things until RIOT removes the ability to do so.

The FastJan 29, 20161 votes

Okay, so the first thing I want to address is the swain point. Swain, with deathfire touch, was WAY too strong. HOW they nerfed him was stupid. People just didn't realize it because of his infrequent pickrate.

Again, Riot does plenty of objectionable things. And I agree that a lot of what they've done has been in weird directions, but at the same time there is a method to their madness.

If RIOT were to focus on just polishing what they have, and innovating within that realm of beauty and balance, League would have a lot more of a promising future.

I agree, but this is Riot's business model. Its hard to change this aspect of the game this far in.

My problem isn't League to be honest, its a solid game, but isn't the best, or even close to how good it was a number of patches ago...

This is subjective. I'm having way more fun now than I ever did in season 4, etc. I feel the game has generally gotten better since the Juggernauts were fixed up.

And I didn't mean to imply that you don't know what you are talking about, but rather that you are misattributing your gripes. What you like/dislike/agree/disagree with is strinctly your own, but I feel like the source of your gripes may be elsewhere. Like, speed of change, rather than the actual changes.

But yeah, the swain nerf was stupid.