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When Will Riot Learn?

Razgriz Stra1ts··4 votes·889 views

So before you read this, if you are willing to read it, then maybe go look at my other post about how to view friends list on website, because even on client you cant view all of your friends offline anymore. Least I can't.

And yes, for further reading, plenty of random accounts that were banned get unbanned, and yes there has been a few cases where an account suddenly received like 2000 rp. yes that happens.

All these downvotes because my post does not suck the meat of RIot. Are you all truly brainwashed slaves, that you cannot even criticize your own company? Well most schools in my country teach people to obey authority WITHOUT critique or question. Slavery. I still blame you however. You are still contributing to the problem. Even if you are not completely to blame.

When will riot learn? You can't expect people to have integrity, not cuss, or quit, when the game is rated 12 and up. which means plenty of 12 years olds are playing. RIot expects that? If Riot paid me to play sure, i'll never quit...but are you going to punish people for leaving? Did they really expect a game rated 12+ to never quit this free game? Are games not for fun? it doesn't make it fun. Maybe they could be like most games and allow other people to join and take that summoner's place when they leave. But it's clear they've got some close minded scum at Riot as their most famous league supporter, Dunkey, recently just quit the game. Were talking about the same guy that takes its virtual meaningless ranking system so seriously, it bans people (apparently) for using smurf accounts?

What will it take to change things? A million players refusing to play until they make changes? I mean its not hard to find out who's in charge of these decisions and their home address and send them a letter or at least email them. And why are there these people who's account randomly get unbanned? What do you guys think? IT just really doesn't make any sense that a game with such a young age rating expect people to play the game like their getting paid to do it. Soryr, but unless Riot pays me, im not going to play with a smile on my face and never ever afk even for a minute,. It's a game, much bigger things in life.

And I think sooner or later, this company is going to crumble because of this. It's back to consoles and steam then. perhaps other MOBAS that don't operate like communist dictatorship....They're policies dont make any sense, And if they ban you, they should be legally obligated to refund the money you spent on the game.

31 Comments

redniwediS4 votes

Let's be real. It's adults who are acting like children that are the problem, not actual children.

Razgriz Stra1ts1 votes

no, doesn't matter who is acting childish. its wrong anyway and causes problems. right? children shouldn't play the game then. if you want gamers to me mature make the game a mature rated game.

redniwediS1 votes

That won't actually do anything though. Removing any children from the game won't fix the problem of adults acting like children.

And also kids lie about their age on the internet all the time.

Razgriz Stra1ts1 votes

I know, but at least then Riot would not be consenting/approving to 14 year olds playing their game. If they want to consent to that, stop expecting a 12-15 year old to have such honor and integrity to a game they never EVER QUIT and they play always (even if what, someone breaks into your house and is shooting are you gonna keep playing then?) when its JUST A GAME and it's rated 12+.

I will make one point extremely clear. A game that is rated ok to play for 12 year olds, should not punish anyone for negative attitudes/behavior or AFKing. period. Expect that from a child is too much. Expecting that from a game is too much.

Im over 21, and even if you want to expect this of me? To never leave? never have a bad attitude? You better be paying me to play the game. But they don't. So there. NO one yet has been able to refute what im saying.

redniwediS3 votes

I don't know about you, but when I was 12 I was able to hold a conversation with an adult. I was able to think about hard concepts and even contemplate my own existence.

They may be children, but they are developed enough to know when their actions are wrong, and they are old enough to understand why they were punished. We're not asking them to be prefect, we're just asking them to make an attempt at being respectful. I'm not always respectful in game, but the few times I let loose I don't get punished for it.

The punishment system knows that shit happens. Sometimes you have to leave, and sometimes you've had a long day and a troll just gets under your skin in the wrong way. There's a reason it doesn't just dish out permabans, and instead gives warnings and small punishments first.

Like I said with my other post most of the problems are from adults acting like children. Honor and integrity are not something you learn with age, and so I treat a mature child and a mature adult the same, and a tempter tantrum prone child and a man-child the same as well.

I think Riot has this viewpoint too. They don't care how old you are, so long as you act according to what they think is right for their game environment. Of course they do still have a lot of work to do in making this a reality, however this is what they are trying to do and I fully support them.

TLDR: It's not about the age, it's about the actions. If a child is able to act like an adult they should be allowed to stay, just like how an adult acting like a child should be punished and eventually banned.

Razgriz Stra1ts1 votes

keep straw picking. i guess at 12 you should be allowed to drink and smoke and have sex if you can act like an adult huh. no.

I know ppl who have been banned for AFK. i think ur just a riot apologist or work for them and want to defend. but ther'es no reason for it. you can't expect people to have integrity at 12 and never leave , because of age, and because its just a game. get real. last thing im gonna say, morality is just a concept, its completely subjective.

RIot assumes their beliefs of right and wrong are everyone's. And so are you. you don't see the problem with anything youre saying. bye

redniwediS1 votes

Seriously? I wish I had recognized you're just in this for the argument, and not the points earlier.

Look at my first post. The point I came here to make is that children are not the problem. That is the point you ignored in order to start a completely irrelevant argument.

I'm not straw picking, you're just ignoring my points. Maybe if you actually replied to one of them we'd have a conversation worth reading, but so long as you keep spurting out the same things over and over we're most certainly done here. If you want to be serious and have a conversation about this topic let me know, but you have to be serious.

I'll say it one more time for when you finally understand what I'm saying; it's not about the age, it's about the actions.

Razgriz Stra1ts1 votes

no....its just not strong points youre making in my opinion. regardless why are there friends of mine who spent 100 dollars on the game and had their account banned just for arguing with people in game, often people that are flaming to begin with and bring them into it. Most people would admit that children are incapable of undestanding all their actions or what humility is they act on emotions and not logic they are just immature. most people have relative agreement on this. and even if the game was rated M still is just a game and people take it too seriously. Maybe allow people to join the game when others AFK. and at least if it was rated M hopefully you wouldn't have as many stupid little kids who have no concept or understanding of anything. Kids simply to do not have have the ciritical thinking to understand such things that happen. Even a simple concept of why people want to surrender in a game they know is lost. At least if it was rated M RIot would not be consenting to having 12 year olds on their game, which punishes people for leaving and has high expectations than in many real life situations in the matters of choice and integrity. I am not a slave.

You will not force me to play a game I don't want to play.

Your contract has no weight and is meaningless.

Your game is nothing more than a game and unless you are going to pay me to play i will act as I please, if your authoritarian, communist/fascist self don't like it too bad. Maybe RIot has their head so far up themself they don't see this or don't care. But the point stands clear. And makes sense to most people I've ran it by, without question.

If you can't understand it yet idk what to tell you, the difference with me is you have not even approached or acknowledge most of the points ive made because you can't. Nobody can refute what im saying.

You're clearly just a lap dog sucking Riot's ***k because you are incapable of actualy free thought and love them of so much for their virtual, meaningless contirbution to society, the game you play. That earns you nothing. You don't seem to see how high the levels of narcissism of the company is then. You are incapable of free thought, free minded, critical thinking.

You're just as bad as those people who blindly defend cops to the very end on any issue or situation. You're a sheep. I won't respond to you further.

redniwediS1 votes

At least I'm able to comprehend what other people are trying to say, instead of ignoring every single point just because I'm angry and they disagree with me.

At least I'm able to show another human being the respect they deserve. I don't know why you're so hostile, but I won't hold it against you. Something tells me you're one of the people I was talking about in my original post on here, but as there's no way to prove that I'll just bid you a good day.

Razgriz Stra1ts1 votes

irrelevant. the woes me type of argument. i didn't ignore anyone's points. nobody made strong points to refute anything i said.

redniwediS1 votes

Woe is who, exactly? All you did OVER A WEEK AGO was provide a rather basic argument and then nit pick anyone who disagrees with you. You don't actually want a discussion or a constructive argument, you're just in this for the conflict.

Please, if you're going to reply to me again, make sure it's not over a week later. I no longer care about arguing with you over this topic.

ModWulf Helhammer2 votes

You already posted this, and it got removed. Least of all for how flagrantly wrong it is

Razgriz Stra1ts1 votes

no, actually just wrong category. pretty rude. Stop defending a source you have no reason to defend.

GoodHotFreshFly1 votes

You might want to take your own advice.

Daen1 votes

You can't expect people to have integrity

Wut.

Overall, I have no idea where you're going with this thread. You're talking a lot about being paid to play but also about how lots of young people play this game, and something about accounts getting randomly unbanned (this doesn't happen)? I'm going to assume the following comment is the core of the thread:

but are you going to punish people for leaving?

Yes. There is no scenario in which allowing people to leave a game with no consequences is acceptable unless everyone in the game agrees to it. This is a team game, so leaving during play is basically trashing the experience of the other 4-9 players in the game.

This has nothing to do with age or getting paid to play, it's a simple social contract scenario. When you queue up for a game, the expectation of everyone else in that game is that you will be fully engaged in the experience. Leaving in the middle is a direct breach of this social contract, and maturity is not a factor when it comes to people reporting you for ruining their experience.

Razgriz Stra1ts1 votes

No one yet has been able to refute anything I have said.

You can't expect people on the game to have integrity. It's a game, that earns you nothing real for playing it, and its full of 12-16 year olds.

then you must be seriously brainwashed perhaps even worship Riot, because you speak of their contract like as if it means anything. I've ran a company in real life and plenty of people broke our contract, and before our contract was legally binding, there were no consequences. Even when it was people still broke it. I dont know whats wrong with you, but a contract to play a game doesnt' mean anything. And the game is just a game. You act as if it has any real weight compared to real life or things that actually matter. It doesn't. What you find acceptable also does not matter, As people have the free will to do what they want. Im going to assme you are trolling, not real, or so brainwashed you are beyond reasoning with.

No game is perfect. And if Riot allowed players to join in on games when someone games afk maybe it wouldn't be so bad. you know, like virtually every other online game in existence does? Social contract my ass. You are nuts or fascist or statist or communist or something if you worship authority that much even over a game that you would devote your time and life to it.

Tell you what, if while im playing league someone walks in and says they'll give me 100 dollars to go afk, guess what im doing. same thing happens if my girlfriend wants to bang. That being said i rarely ever afk, but i'd defend those AFKs if people were allowed to join the game. And i would still say going AFK does not deserve a perma ban. EVER. EVER EVER EVER. at most, maybe a week ban. maybe 2. but not forever. just kick them into lower and lower MMR. pretty simple.

I wont reason with you further. You didn't even understand my paid to play example. As in, exactly, were not getting paid to play, so why would I take it so seroiusly. Being good at league will rarely EVER EARN YOU ANYTHING. Even the people that play professionally, aren't even making 100,000 each doing what their doing. Even 80,000. How bout 40,000 each? Doubt it.

I wont try to reason with you further, if none of this gets through to you anyway. No one yet has been able to refute anything i've said. At the most you can just say "well i have a different opinion." Cool story dude.

Razgriz Stra1ts1 votes

dude. there are people that go AFK i have reported. but my hope is that maybe, they get a day ban. but never should they ever get perma banned. BUT HAS THAT REALLY NOT HAPPENED?

like i said though...if they just allowed other players to join in and take that person's place...LIKE MOST GAMES DO, problem solved. at least the AFK part.

GoodHotFreshFly1 votes

I'm sorry, but you don't decide what morality and maturity are.

RIOT can't either, but they can at least try to keep peace without establishing what those are.

EDIT: Also don't compare this to communism until you actually know what communism is. People ALWAYS think that communism is this hell-on-earth that takes away everyone's rights. No, it doesn't. Communism is a government that seeks equal rights for everyone, with everyone getting their fair share of something. Because of this, there is no lower class (poor people) and there are no monopolies (big companies that get all the money), which are the most major downsides of a capitalist government. We just focus on the communist nations that had power-hungry dictators, like Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia, and so we generalize about communism. There are good examples of communism, like modern-day China, modern-day Vietnam, and Russia after the revolution (but before Stalin's reign, who by the way, was MUCH worse than Hitler).

Razgriz Stra1ts1 votes

no, i understand that perfectly, but a higher power simply pretending they are letting people decide completely the fate of others because everyone is on an equal playing field, even though they have a government who chooses your role in society for you, that's communism. that's also what draft pick and the tribunal are.

It's this psuedo-intellectual communist type of system. Im actually a libertarian socialist. But that is besides the point.

Regardless, im not a fascist or communist that restricts free speech. Ever. On anything. especially a game. Although there's plenty of people who say stupid things, and some to whom i say should not have the right to vote. but that's a bit offtopic.

GoodHotFreshFly1 votes

Even after all of your views, it's extremely ridiculous that you're going this in-depth about a GAME that you're not even forced to play by your government.

EDIT: And you're acting like RIOT is Big Brother from George Orwells 1984, brainwashing us like we're careless proles. That's so extreme and disagreeable it makes us laugh, hence the amount of down votes and condescending comments. You're allowed to have these views, just know that very little people agree with you, because RIOT dies care, and they are humans so they will make mistakes.

Razgriz Stra1ts1 votes

how it is rediculous to be in depth about anything? i tutor philosophy dude. i think deeply about most things.

that is way too much dude. i would never take it that far. but if its RIot or their shareholders, someone must have seen these issues and just ignored them.

Banning someone for having a negative atitude or going off on someone like meatwadsprite did, look him up, for 2 weeks is rediculous.

even if you don't consider why he went off why do that. just mute him if anything. him telling someone that they are a no good scumbag who should be shot in the street like the degenerate they are, so what. Just mute him or give him chat restriction.

but they banned him. for 2 weeks. their biggest public supporter. and said they wouldn't unban him because he was "toxic" when he said he was going to make one last video before he quit altogether. So as dunkey says then i stand with him. and i bet if i put him as my headline. alot more people would agree. everyone loves that guy.

if you want to consider why he said that, he was in a ranked and a malphite when like 0/20 and laughed about it.

Razgriz Stra1ts1 votes

but they are establishing what morality is. are trying to. "Keep the peace" very opinionated phrase.

keep the peace for me is having a mute button. that's enough for me. most the time. the few people that attempted to shut down my internet had theirs shut down in return. but its not like Riot can really monitor that stuff anyway, if the hacker is smart. most people don't bother to be such tards for no reason. and yeah stalin was way worse than Hitler. but fascism, which is what america is like now, is just as bad in communism in alot of ways.

GoodHotFreshFly1 votes

You're making such a big deal out of something very minor. I couldn't care less if you "tutor" philosophy that doesn't mean you know what morality is, and RIOT is not trying to define what morality is. They are just trying to keep bad things from happening to players.

And as far as I know, you could be completely lying. Honestly, I think that you "tutoring philosophy" is utter bullshit, but who am I to judge! And it's not like you're the only one thinking about this kind of stuff, I'm sure we all are. Philosophy is not a topic that's set in stone like math and science, it is extremely variable because each human being is different. Please don't come here acting like you know what would be best for all of us, because you dont, really.

Razgriz Stra1ts1 votes

Again, "bad things from happening to players" completely arbitrary statement. You don't get it. Just ignore all the gray area why dont you.

GoodHotFreshFly1 votes

Well you clearly won't listen to the majority of us. This topic of yours ends here.

Boulderox1 votes

Hmmm so having a diamond smurf hitting lvl 30 amongst new people that don't know anything about the game is ok... Fuck that bull shit. The reason you get downvoted is your post makes you seem like a social justice warrior... And everyone HATES THEM because they are self entitled and feel they know better than everyone.

Instead of flat out attacking a company on something they cannot figure out how to fix, why don't you put your smart ass on the line, because you act like you know everything pal. But your idea is to boycott, which isn't gonna happen anytime soon. Because as long as a meta has a pool of broken champs that can't all be banned away with 6 bans, people will play to reap the cheap unfair advantages that inevitably occurs.

As a consumer we have the right to say when we are not happy, aka the reason why LeeSin Riven and Vayne will never be nerfed or changed due to there loyal large fanbases that blow a fuse the second 3ad is removedVayne, I'm talking to your still broken ass. And there idea to leach every last thing for rp is also dumb. But riot isn't to blame, but the shareholders of riot games are. But the sounds, music rito puts together is some of the best quality stuff ever, kindred login, and the new slayers are amazing.

Razgriz Stra1ts1 votes

I'm a socio anarchist- libertarian pro gun socialist. Hardly, most social justice warriors would probably call me a terrorist just for saying that.

i never said i didn't like it, and IF RIOT IS DOING WHAT MOST COMPANIES DO, and just server the shareholders than absolutely yes they are to blame. I would not so much blame riot then! its just another case of the shareholders. And as for the music i think they could do alot better as for in game music, perhaps more options. WHY IS THE BUTCHERS BRIDGE MUSIC NOT ALWAYS AN OPTION??? but the login stuff is pretty good.

But no man, you must know the real main reason is i said something derogatory towards Riot or its shareholders. and its loads of brainwashed slave like fans didn't like it.

even a company like Capcom that i love and platinum games i still criticize heavily on some things. You can imagine how much of scumbags Capcom has been.

Boulderox2 votes

Yet criticisms are a give and take, you give opposition and recommend changes to move it forward, otherwise giving reason to change and enticing them with a reason to change.

It only appears you give criticism and say we need to boycott the game to get what we want, which isn't an acceptable, or admiral thing to do.

Razgriz Stra1ts1 votes

You can't deny all the extreme bias people who have viewed this have had. They honestly dont see a problem with a contract that tells you you aren't allowed to be negative? sorry again, im not a communist or fascist who restricts free speech. Ever for that matter. even people like videogamedunkey who went absolutely off on people in games did not deserve a 2 week ban for telling a 0/20 malphite how much of a troll scumbag he is in a ranked game.

how many games have such severe restrictions like this. makes it seem like its not even a game anymore. unless you were paying me i would never agree to such a thing. i would laugh at it, and have.

as for AFK, if they allowed other players to join games in place of those people, might not be such a problem. say, after 3 minutes of AFK that happens. maybe this doesn't work for ranked teams but rarely an AFK happening there anyway.

So maybe Riot isn't crumbling at all, yet, but i would never rule out the possibility, in fact i think if more people had more respect for themselves perhaps would be like that, then again most of its players are children who mindlessly accept any terms given to them.

just go watch dunkey's video "im done with league of legends" and his reasons why. and most people agreed with him. people are just downvoting because of their bias.

a bias i dont even have for the godsend company of video games in my opinion, Platinum Games.

nerak231 votes

What will it take to change things? A million players refusing to play until they make changes? I mean its not hard to find out who's in charge of these decisions and their home address and send them a letter or at least email them.

I can't take anything you say on this thread seriously ! For one thing you don't send letters like this to Home address' that comes close to personal harassment lol Careful here your stepping on some questionable advice you seem to be giving.

They're policies dont make any sense, And if they ban you, they should be legally obligated to refund the money you spent on the game.

This game is made so no one has to spend one red cent on it. If you don't want to have the things you spent your $ on taken away don't break the TOS..Fairly simple concept here.

Not sure what your point is here but Riot isn't 'crumbling' at all.

Razgriz Stra1ts1 votes

maybe they are crumbling maybe not. don't rule out what the future holds. I think if people had more respect for themselves and others they truly might be losing alot of fandom. But then again that goes for every business. if people had more respect for themselves, most minimum wage jobs would have no one applying for them. People would say they'd rather be homeless than work for evil companies like Apple. I would. i'd rather attempt to steal. and have, i have alot, but that's another story. more so at a time when my family was in need. anyways -

i think you might be assuming alot. But i challenge you to find how many gaming companies to do such things. But yeah its good the game is free. I suppose what can be worse is games like DOTA 2 that will charge you to play (used to) and then ban you for saying anything negative at all.

I think you are just fishing at this point....and i dont understand your red cent reference. but even the terms are not that laid out well....if its really saying you basically can't say anything negative that is preposterous can you not understand that? truly punishing people for having a negative attitude? So if i say, "gg, bad team" or "bg but whatever" suddenly im reported? what is that?

No dude, i've said things i think may actually deserve of a ban, but its not these things.

You really dont seem to see the problem. People are human, and have emotions, they aren't robots who you can force to be happy and positive all the time. How hard is that to understand.

Whats ironic is that i have caught people trying to DDOS me in game and its someone on the enemy team and i've shut them down when they attempt to, i haven't even reported things like that. but that's alot more acceptable to report than "oh he was being negative and said we were gonna lose".

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