Why is losing a 3v5 still treated as a reflection of my skill with regards to LP and MMR?

AkshnJacksn·Oct 7, 2014·7 votes·878 views

Leaverbuster already detects that they have been afk, and they remain afk when the game ends, so why not lessen the blow of the loss somehow? It is hard for me to believe that "preventing abuse" is a valid reason to skew the system so heavily. Two games in a row I've had at least one leaver or dc or ragequit. That means that I have to win 3 additional games to progress beyond where I was, for something that was entirely out of my control. It doesn't seem like a positive or fair system to treat these games the same as a 5v5 which was lost by misplays. In the interest of fairness, LP and MMR should also be negatively impacted by a leaver on the enemy team. I just feel like there is a better system out there than just ignoring the enormous imbalance a game with a leaver or afk or ragequit creates.

13 Comments

TeemoHunter1337Oct 7, 20142 votes

remove duo queue or make it if one of the duo queue buddies leave, then the other duo queue also loses 30 lp. then have the leaver lose 30 lp for leaving and have the other 4 members lose only 5 lp. and have the winning team gain normal lp.

boom. it affects no one.

tl:dr leaver loses 30 lp. if in a duo queue the other buddy also loses 30 lp(so a guy cant abuse system) then other 4 teammates lose only 5 lp. enemy winning team gains normal lp.

Uzi SmurfOct 7, 20141 votes

And if the leaver is there from solo q?

TeemoHunter1337Oct 7, 20141 votes

And if the leaver is there from solo q?

if there is 5 people all solo queue. the leaver loses 30 lp. the 4 members lose 5 lp.

if there is a duo queue. the leaver loses 30 lp, the duo partner loses 30 lp. rest of 3 teammates lose 5 lp.

enemy gains normal lp.

that way no abuse.

ValyrianBladeOct 7, 20141 votes

With respect to rage quits I think it is a reflection of skill. I've never seen someone rage quit when their teammate is winning hard and comes to their Lane to help shut down the opponent and is providing a positive environment. Typically people rage quit because a teammate is harassing them, a teammate is feeding, or they're feeding madly resulting in the team being so far behind they think it's hopeless and aren't having fun so they leave.

Don't get me wrong, they shouldn't leave and should be penalized for doing so, but you shouldn't get off of the hook for a loss that you actually were part of. Changing this would likely result in people refusing to surrender Games that are clearly lost in hopes that a teammate will DC in order to save them LP.

TeemoHunter1337Oct 7, 20141 votes

With respect to rage quits I think it is a reflection of skill. I've never seen someone rage quit when their teammate is winning hard and comes to their Lane to help shut down the opponent and is providing a positive environment. Typically people rage quit because a teammate is harassing them, a teammate is feeding, or they're feeding madly resulting in the team being so far behind they think it's hopeless and aren't having fun so they leave.

Don't get me wrong, they shouldn't leave and should be penalized for doing so, but you shouldn't get off of the hook for a loss that you actually were part of. Changing this would likely result in people refusing to surrender Games that are clearly lost in hopes that a teammate will DC in order to save them LP.

i really doubt that. i have TONS of game under me, and most of the time when someone leaves is around 15-20 minute mark when maybe we lose first blood or the score is 2-1 or something that is easily winnable.

we should not give ragers the benefit of the doubt.

ValyrianBladeOct 7, 20141 votes

Okay, that's not my experience but I'm not even 30 yet so clearly in not credible :p

BastionKrossOct 7, 20141 votes

That's a very likely scenario, and there's probably a few other ways you could abuse the system as well. What the OP is saying is that yeah, there's probably going to be people that will cheat the system. However, the system would do more good than ill, especially if the punishment for abusing the system is high.

TeemoHunter1337Oct 7, 20141 votes

That's a very likely scenario, and there's probably a few other ways you could abuse the system as well. What the OP is saying is that yeah, there's probably going to be people that will cheat the system. However, the system would do more good than ill, especially if the punishment for abusing the system is high.

how would u abuse the scenario i put out?

if the leaver leaves he loses 30 lp. if in a duo queue they both lose 30 lp. this just makes is so u only duo with people u trust(which is a good thing)

ValyrianBladeOct 7, 20141 votes

One could still refuse to surrender a lost game in hopes of someone else dc'ing or leaving for any reason. Not huge but still sort of abuses the system.

You could also have people queue solo at the same time in hopes of being matched together and then they're like a duo but without the penalty (no idea if this would ever work).