Congratulations Riot, Your P0S Leaver system works.

Water Tao·Dec 15, 2014·108 votes·14,260 views

Congratulations for giving me a Leaver Buster bull shit "type I agree" thing.

I was enjoying an awesome game of ARAM, and then I received a wonderful notification that the riot client was attempting to reconnect me. Suprise, Suprise, it never did. Now I will refrain from playing another match until the client is safe to use again, because of the inexorable amount of money I have spent on this game, and the fact I've never left a game apart from a family emergency back before Season 1.

Now I get slapped with a Leaver tag, which is completely your fault for having a crappy client that doesn't know up from down.

Will wait to play again until the client has been fixed, even if I must wait a year or more. Thanks. -.-

So Congratulations, your system is working as intended, and driving legitimate players from the game.

#InsultedGamer

Edit: I'd also like to note, it was a premade match with a bunch of friends that I was talking with on Teamspeak at the time.

99 Comments

RiotLyteDec 16, 201448 votes

Just to clarify a few points, the first time you leave on an account you will get the "I Agree" notification.

This is a one-time thing per account, and happens regardless of it being a low level game, high level game, a DC or intentional leave. However, this one-time notification has nothing to do with a punishment or the status of your account. It's literally just a notification that leaving/AFKing in League is bad.

If you chronically leave/AFK in games following the notification, it is possible to receive penalties. The notification is just for us to ensure that players know the potential penalties before they chronically leave dozens of matches. After the one-time notification, we do tune the system so that most players who have the rare DC or emergency won't ever see a penalty--only players who leave strings of matches in a frequent pattern will see low priority queue.

Water TaoDec 16, 201437 votes

Then you guys need to seriously reword that prompt because the way it is currently written I took it as a literal "you're fucked fuck you" piece of literature -- no offense.

Edit: That or have the prompt pop up right as soon as people log in. Then it's less of a slap to the face.

kayakninjaDec 16, 20144 votes

Slightly off-topic, but exactly how far down the line is the "I Agree" notification? I've heard you talking enough to know it doesn't mean I'm in trouble yet, but it is a little unclear and it's making people gun-shy. The fact that there are so many posts like this one supports that, I think.

TrinityunicornDec 16, 20142 votes

1st leave/dc you have, you get the message and have to type I agree I think.

AbodyHUN666Dec 16, 20141 votes

You get this popup as soon as you log in after a leave. It's meant to shove this part of the terms of use in your face, so if you are new to the game and didn't know this you wouldn't leave again. The problem is it's quite badly worded and some people get punished for connection issues too.

QueenAquaDec 17, 20141 votes

Kinda not true. A while ago, I was having trouble with my internet. It kept randomly dropping, somtimes mid-game. Two of those times, i couldn't get back in time to rejoin the game and avoid reports. The internet was out for half the day and part of the night on one, the second one was less sever, just 3 hours, which is a significant improvement upon the stuff before. I didn't get a message with the "I agree" until after the second time when i logged in. So, either Riot F-ed up and the leaver buster program doesn't work like it should or it's after two times of leaving games.

AbodyHUN666Dec 17, 20141 votes

it might have been a bug, I got the message for the first leave and Lyte says in his comment this too.

HeadCrusherDec 16, 20147 votes

{quoted}

Just to clarify a few points, the first time you leave on an account you will get the "I Agree" notification.

This is a one-time thing per account, and happens regardless of it being a low level game, high level game, a DC or intentional leave. However, this one-time notification has nothing to do with a punishment or the status of your account. It's literally just a notification that leaving/AFKing in League is bad.

If you chronically leave/AFK in games following the notification, it is possible to receive penalties. The notification is just for us to ensure that players know the potential penalties before they chronically leave dozens of matches. After the one-time notification, we do tune the system so that most players who have the rare DC or emergency won't ever see a penalty--only players who leave strings of matches in a frequent pattern will see low priority queue.

Didn't we use to get emails about that? I remember back like 2 years ago, when I started playing, I would leave games because i was new to it and I came from playing Call of Duty. I thought leaving games was just a normal thing and that matchmaking found a new payer to replace you(lool was i wrong), and then I got an email telling me all these reasons to why its bad... I never left a game since then...Until three days ago when the client decided it didn't want to work and I get this notification making me agree to never leave a game like if i have control over the client working or not.

JubbinautDec 16, 20143 votes

The primary difference between those emails and this notification is in placement.

The email you received was an indicator that you had been detected leaving multiple times, and were actually close to a ban. It was a Warning - the lowest level of punishment available to the system.

This notification occurs the first time the new system detects you as leaving. It doesn't have that same implication of being close to a ban, and it's not considered any form of punishment in and of itself.

Honestly, I like the idea of this kind of message showing up this rapidly, but damn if it doesn't need to be rewritten.

ThePrecogDec 16, 20146 votes

Why isn't there a single response to this issue? I mean the fact that recently there is a bug that doesn't allow us to connect, blames our firewalls, (which let's be real: if you're kicked from a ranked game and it blames your firewall, you probably go and disable it, assuming it was even on in the first place) and then shames us for doing nothing wrong. I understand holiday time, being busy, but this is a bug that is punishing players for something they have no control over.

Shinjiro AragakiDec 15, 201425 votes

Yeah, that happened to me too. And I got that whole guilting message asking me to pledge I wouldn't leave a game again. Like I can understand the system, but they need to find a way to make sure it differentiates between leavers and disconnects.

Water TaoDec 15, 20146 votes

yeah I feel tainted now...

AbodyHUN666Dec 15, 20146 votes

As I see it really differentiates the two. Unless you have such a bad internet that it makes the game unplayable for you I don't think it gets you banned. The old system flagged you just like this one, just it didn't tell you. The only change this system brings is if you play ranked when you might leave or DC then you might have a bad time.

SammystormDec 15, 20145 votes

As far as I understand it didn't flag you for as much silly things as the current one does. If it did I would be annoyed by that too. Also being forced to sign something is shitty especially when you finish a game or have bad lag or whatever. I also think a low priority queue is just a stupid idea in general. It deincentivies people from playing even people who riot wants in their community. At least with the old system you got a warning before you got banned and then banned for a period of time and not able to queue for a long time

AbodyHUN666Dec 16, 20142 votes

We would need Lyte to confirm the flagging conditions. I too don't like the wording of the warning and the fact that most leavers aren't intentional makes it generally a bad experience, but it was a good intention to punish ranked leavers harder.

aLawfulFalafelDec 15, 201423 votes

dont hold your breath, been a month since the client doesnt work right, just keep posting about it and upvoting those that do as well

Mistress MadokaDec 15, 201419 votes

Yeah, the Leaverbuster system is a Little TOO unforgiving. One of My friends had their internet Provider Screw them over during a match and they've been put in Low Priority Queue. I Personally Vote for a Return to the OLD LeaverBuster.

I understand what Riot is trying to do with the new one, but it's become an Oppressive Beast instead of a Welcome force of Change.

HrudDec 15, 201417 votes

I got the Leaverbuster warning for a game I couldn't even get in to begin with.

Felt pretty bitter being called a leaver and having to pledge stuff for the servers acting up.

WannabewarriorDec 15, 201410 votes

{quoted} I got the Leaverbuster warning for a game I couldn't even get in to begin with.

Felt pretty bitter being called a leaver and having to pledge stuff for the servers acting up.

I got that as well, couldn't figure out why as I was trying for a solid 7? 8? minutes to try to get back on to play.

DuroxxigarDec 15, 201413 votes

Yeah, this is a great system. I enjoy getting punished for Riot's client bugging out.

DankDaddyDizzleDec 15, 20148 votes

I just got the type "I agree" to not leave anymore warning after my internet provider crashed. This Leaver Buster system is flawed and I don't ever leave matches voluntarily.** Riot PLEASE FIX.**

KonidiasDec 15, 20143 votes

{quoted} I just got the type "I agree" to not leave anymore warning after my internet provider crashed. This Leaver Buster system is flawed and I don't ever leave matches voluntarily.** Riot PLEASE FIX.**

Uhhh well... voluntarily or not, you left a match in progress which negatively impacted your team. Also I don't see how your ISP crashing is Riot's fault.

There is absolutely no way for Riot to tell if you are pulling your connection intentionally or unintentionally. Would you prefer to have more of your games ruined by people unplugging their modems and not getting punished for it?

I highly doubt you're ever going to get banned because your ISP crashed once in half a year's time.

You can't have Riot punish leavers but not punish you for leaving... that's ludicrous.

Water TaoDec 16, 20143 votes

Do people actually pull their connection though? Maybe I'm just incredibly naive, but why would someone go to the effort of unplugging their router just to leave a match? If people have to stoop to those levels than I feel sorry for their subconscious dissatisfaction with themselves.

Positioning KingDec 16, 20141 votes

If literally all it took to leave a match with no penalty is flipping the wifi-disable switch on your laptop (functionally equivalent to unplugging your router), you better believe your games would be full of leavers.

Water TaoDec 17, 20141 votes

{quoted}

If literally all it took to leave a match with no penalty is flipping the wifi-disable switch on your laptop (functionally equivalent to unplugging your router), you better believe your games would be full of leavers.

You would still lose LP though...

GallowgrimDec 15, 20147 votes

OP's choices aside.. Leaver Buster still needs deleted with extreme prejudice.

FDruDec 15, 20145 votes

Wow, Riot didn't ban you so you're going to quit instead. What an idiot lol

Zed2gDec 15, 201423 votes

you're an idiot... have you been on the leaver buster yet? you can't play a single game because of a damn bug in there which basically means you're banned anyways

GafugarionDec 15, 20145 votes

That thing is bullshit. I couldn't connect to a game due to riots shitty client then it says I'm a leaver when I get in 6 mins later. Really irritating having to say I won't leave games that I didn't leave to begin with because riot has a shitty client. Horrible thing to do to players that NEVER leave games. Seriously bad move Riot, frankly I'm disgusted and closed out the game when I saw the message.

Chromatic EagleDec 16, 20145 votes

So I just got the Leavebuster. Had a dc during loading, which to be fair, I'm not sure if it was the client or my internet (probably my internet). But I spent like the next 10 minutes trying to get back in and restarting my computer. Does it even matter if someone tries to reconnect vs. just leaving the match? I'm marked either way.

CriomhthannDec 15, 20144 votes

Similar story.

Client crashed. I tried to reconnect. Client Crashed again. This occurred 3 more times. So I restart everything, and by then the match is over. I got a leaver buster warning. Apparently, I am responsible for Riot's shitty coding.

NewPhantomsDec 15, 20144 votes

I Agree, the client glitchs out on me alot too.

Lunar LightningDec 15, 20144 votes

Its too unforgiving im all for banning people that afk and rage quit all the time but one game is not enough. The people the system should focus on are the people who leave games all the time. Like people who leave more than 10 or 15 % of their games. People who have one or two leaves shouldnt be affected by this especially since this patch has been forcing people out of games that they cant even control.

Sp1cy MemeDec 16, 20144 votes

So if I didn't want to play league at all tonight I would refuse to hit agree and make riot remove the leaver buster warning or give me all my money back. In fact, I may just not play tonight. Haven't decided yet. Sent support ticket at about 11:15, so it won't be resolved till around 11:15 Wednesday if all my past support tickets are any evidence of the speed riot operates. anyway, to the point. I DON'T WANT TO AGREE NOT TO LEAVE ANY FURTHER GAMES IF I HAVE NEVER LEFT A SINGLE GAME OF LEAGUE SINCE I STARTED PLAYING!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously riot, I have not left a single game that wasn't due to your servers.. Well one time when i first built my desktop I had auto update and restart on, pretty sure we still won that game. "KATARINA IS SOOOOO HARD!!" also, mercy on the riot employee that has to deal with me if I decide not to play league till they remove this warning. I won't be in as good a mood tomorrow after I try to update WoT in a timely fashion.

TheSilverSaint7Dec 16, 20144 votes

I just had major lag spikes in a game and then bug splat happened and I got the leaver buster message to type "I Agree". I really do not like this new system. I have only actually left a game once. Also, the repeating bug splat when trying to load into a game is getting real old Rito. Get your stuff together. I spend more money on this free game than any other I own. Act like it.

Wishing UmbreonDec 16, 20143 votes

There has to be a way for leaver buster to check for client lag. Like an unusual amount of summoners disconnecting in a certain time frame or even from a certain game. When both teams are disconnecting and reconnecting, it's obviously on Riot's end.

OumiDec 16, 20143 votes

Had this happen to me too. I got disconnected during champ select and couldn't log back in. So not only does riot have an issue with letting you relog once you've been dc from it, they also start games with players who aren't connected to pvp.net. So stupid... Was salty as shit afterwards and I didn't want to sign "I agree".

chicken doodleJul 13, 20153 votes

Can we all treat "League of Legends" as a video game as it is instead of a "voodoo" lifestyle? We might have other so called "less important matters" like funerals than Lol? Is that what Rito is saying? Games first, life second? I say stop, stop using a unnecessary harsh treatment. 5min? I could wait, 10? a little 15, i wouldn't. 20? be forced to quit

Be aware that other players can be under 13 year old(my lol friend) and may have restrictions. Also be aware that other players may have recent or current emergencies. Oh, I get it, get all the players that won't play lol as a video game to leave so YOU can be one of the future Olympic games?

KazaashiJul 13, 20152 votes

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Can we all treat "League of Legends" as a video game as it is instead of a "voodoo" lifestyle?

When you queue up, you have committed yourself to something for 30-60 minutes. Of course there are more important things than LoL, but that doesn't change the fact that if you leave a game, you are ruining the fun of at least 4 other people [and at most 9 others] and there are consequences for your actions and choices.

We might have other so called "less important matters" like funerals than Lol? Is that what Rito is saying? Games first, life second? I say stop, stop using a unnecessary harsh treatment. 5min? I could wait, 10? a little 15, i wouldn't. 20? be forced to quit

Don't queue up if you have to be somewhere before the game is over, or take the punishment like an adult. The responsibility is on you to manage your life.

Be aware that other players can be under 13 year old(my lol friend) and may have restrictions.

You have to be 13 years or older to do anything online, at least in the US. Otherwise, don't play if you cannot manage your time properly. Talk to your parents about what LoL is, and how you can't just abandon the other people in a match. Hell, I'm 27 and I still ask my parents if they need me to do anything for the next hour or so before I play a LoL game when visiting them.

Also be aware that other players may have recent or current emergencies. Oh, I get it, get all the players that won't play lol as a video game to leave so YOU can be one of the future Olympic games?

It sucks, but sometimes you have emergencies. Generally, they are few and far between. If you have them enough to get banned, you maybe need to sort your life out a bit and not play LoL so much.

EleshakaiJul 13, 20151 votes

{quoted}

When you queue up, you have committed yourself to something for 30-60 minutes. Of course there are more important things than LoL, but that doesn't change the fact that if you leave a game, you are ruining the fun of at least 4 other people [and at most 9 others] and there are consequences for your actions and choices.

Don't queue up if you have to be somewhere before the game is over, or take the punishment like an adult. The responsibility is on you to manage your life.

You have to be 13 years or older to do anything online, at least in the US. Otherwise, don't play if you cannot manage your time properly. Talk to your parents about what LoL is, and how you can't just abandon the other people in a match. Hell, I'm 27 and I still ask my parents if they need me to do anything for the next hour or so before I play a LoL game when visiting them.

It sucks, but sometimes you have emergencies. Generally, they are few and far between. If you have them enough to get banned, you maybe need to sort your life out a bit and not play LoL so much.

Congratulations on contributing to one of the most impressive and unnecessary necros I've seen this year.

Also congrats on stating blatantly inaccurate information(you do not need to be 13 to do things online... SOME ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS HAVE INTERNET ACCESS FOR STUDENT USE).

And as a minor point, thanks for promoting unhealthy addictions to LoL. You're on a good path here.

KazaashiJul 13, 20151 votes

{quoted}

Congratulations on contributing to one of the most impressive and unnecessary necros I've seen this year.

Also congrats on stating blatantly inaccurate information(you do not need to be 13 to do things online... SOME ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS HAVE INTERNET ACCESS FOR STUDENT USE).

Ever since COPPA most websites and online companies require you to be over 13 to sign-up for a service or product. Sorry for the vague wording, I guess.

And as a minor point, thanks for promoting unhealthy addictions to LoL. You're on a good path here.

I was actually talking about responsibility when playing video games. Basically I was saying, don't play this game unless you have your life taken care of and use common sense.

But that would actually take reading my post and the people before me, instead of just bashing it for the hell of it. To quote you:

"You're on a good path here."

EleshakaiJul 13, 20152 votes

{quoted}

Ever since COPPA most websites and online companies require you to be over 13 to sign-up for a service or product. Sorry for the vague wording, I guess.

I was actually talking about responsibility when playing video games. Basically I was saying, don't play this game unless you have your life taken care of and use common sense.

But that would actually take reading my post and the people before me, instead of just bashing it for the hell of it. To quote you:

"You're on a good path here."

Yep, you're promoting people treat LoL so seriously that they shouldn't play unless there's literally nothing in their life that could get in the way. That's an unhealthy attitude towards a hobby or video game. Hobbies should work around your life, not the other way around. But people here have this sick mentality that the only game that matters is the one they win and that if someone leaves it is somehow ruining their experience because they have a lower chance to win.

It's ridiculous. Absurd, and it shows just how poor people's priorities are nowadays.

Just enjoy the game. And no, before you comment, I have literally TWO leaves on my record in my history(which is several years long), one that was a result of a long-standing but incredibly sporadic computer issue that took me like 6 months to figure out was being caused by like 3 champions(yes, it was that esoteric an issue... pain in the ass to track down and fix 'cause it was so rare) who had weird sound effects that were interacting poorly with my sound card... and one that was a result of my wife falling down the stairs.

I read your post. I read it in detail. And I understood it. The whole 'make sure you have time to play thing' is the unhealthy mindset. It is promoting the belief that LoL should be of equal importance to other parts of your life. No matter HOW you try to spin it, the concept that LoL should have an equal weight to other aspects by being treated as a MUST FINISH if you start activity... is an unhealthy level of addiction.

Deathless81CDec 16, 20142 votes

That's nothing. I've gotten a Leaverbuster for a game I never left. Riot does nothing about this stuff. They're idiots.

KiritsuDec 16, 20142 votes

LeaverBuster is good for a game that is stable. I am sorry to tell you this but RIOT League of Legends is far from stable.

We are talking about a game :

Disconnect the players during game play randomly.
Close randomly with a nice BugSplat
Attempts to connect to the game, enter the black screen and asking us to try again
Monstrous lags
Disconnects from PVP.Net .

So before talking about someone who disconnects their internet and create a wild system connection , it should ensure that your service is completely bulletproof.

So RIOT, would not it be better to rely on the tribunal as long as you have not done to fix your server.

chicken doodleJul 13, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=Water Tao,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=G0teMYOz,comment-id=,timestamp=2014-12-15T04:32:55.288+0000)

Congratulations for giving me a Leaver Buster bull shit "type I agree" thing.

I was enjoying an awesome game of ARAM, and then I received a wonderful notification that the riot client was attempting to reconnect me. Suprise, Suprise, it never did. Now I will refrain from playing another match until the client is safe to use again, because of the inexorable amount of money I have spent on this game, and the fact I've never left a game apart from a family emergency back before Season 1.

Now I get slapped with a Leaver tag, which is completely your fault for having a crappy client that doesn't know up from down.

Will wait to play again until the client has been fixed, even if I must wait a year or more. Thanks. -.-

So Congratulations, your system is working as intended, and driving legitimate players from the game.

#InsultedGamer

Edit: I'd also like to note, it was a premade match with a bunch of friends that I was talking with on Teamspeak at the time.

Congrats, I am your 90th up voter

Water TaoDec 21, 20151 votes

Haha I forgot about this. It seems to be a lot better now. Haven't had any issues since a few months after. Apart from the day a drunk driver took out one of my ISP's distribution boxes.

chicken doodleDec 26, 20151 votes

This fight is terrible lol, seems to last for decades.

chicken doodleDec 26, 20151 votes

Not terrible but, not really working... there's only hope lol

Cpt KattersDec 15, 20141 votes

Also this just makes game fun its already annoying having to wait an hour to get into a game needing to dodge due to people who clearly are going to load in and ruin game, yet I leave when I am fed up having to dodge these players and not get to play then get low priority so now i get to wait 30 minutes to start, 5 minutes to load queue, then another 3-5 minutes just to get into lobby.

Why punish players who hate playing with trolls instead of the trolls them self. That is like passing a law saying no saying the F word then only arresting people when they tell someone else, " you not supposed to say fuck". All it does it piss people off and leave the real trouble makers scott free

SammystormDec 15, 20147 votes

I didn't really mind it when they had penalties and such but I have always hated the idea of prisoner's island and I think the current system is really really bad.