Any high elo junglers like to give a silver 4 jungler elise on how to get better?

Yôshi·Feb 13, 2017·1 votes·794 views

Honestly, I am stuck and I don't know what I am doing wrong exactly. I rather not play another champ to climb because I want to stick with Elise. Any tips? q:

6 Comments

Back after BanFeb 13, 20171 votes

One great way to improve is to save your replays and analyse them.

The objective of the game is to kill the enemy nexus and the fastest way to do that is gain more gold than the enemy team, keep that in mind while you watch you replays. How can I optimise gold income with every decision I make in the jungle?

YôshiFeb 14, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Gaia Theorem,realm=EUW,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=ELAMQAYh,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-02-13T18:08:51.654+0000)

One great way to improve is to save your replays and analyse them.

The objective of the game is to kill the enemy nexus and the fastest way to do that is gain more gold than the enemy team, keep that in mind while you watch you replays. How can I optimise gold income with every decision I make in the jungle?

I thought about that but I never got to it. Don't I have to make an account in order to record my games or something?

Back after BanFeb 14, 20171 votes

I'm not sure if it's exclusively on the beta client, but there's a little icon in your match history next to each game, if you click it you can download a replay and view it through the client.

Kirius DarkFeb 13, 20171 votes

Biggest impact I find lower elo junglers are scared to do is to invade the enemy jungle and has huge rewards when you do.

If the enemy jungler isnt there:

then you can tell your laners which side theyre on to be aware for ganks. Can deep ward to track them too which is way more efficient than warding a common bush
and their camps are up you can steal them setting their jungler further behind, do this safely though and not when you have no escape path, enemy laners MIA or you're low HP
You can go to their other side jungle and gank them since you know where likely they are, especially if the side you just checked has empty camps you know they just recently left that quarter

If they are there:

Can steal their low camps theyre working on then just walk out, setting them behind some CS. Losing jungle camps is huge because if you clear all yours and take 1 of theirs, you're actually up 2 camps vs them.
They may be low and get a free kill. Counterjungle ganks IMO are the most rare ganks but pay off huge so all your lanes cannot get ganked if their jungler is low or dead. Even if you dont get a kill you can send them home which means your lanes are all safe for a short time now
Makes other low elo junglers uneasy from stepping out of safety (mindgames) and they're less likely to go past river or gank if you've been all of their ass to let them know whose boss and your turf includes their jungle. I find they often start warding their own jungle to watch for you rather than putting out more important wards in neutral or enemy territory. You really want wards as deep as you can which gives a lot more info

A lot of low elo junglers just spend a lot of time farming or looking to gank weak lanes, but dont pay enough attention to the other jungler or where theyre at.

The vision plant makes it easier than ever to scan the enemy jungle. Always tag yours whenever its up so they cant do the same to you

Just make sure you invade smart. When the enemy laners are in lane (not coming back from base and can easily help their jungler), you have an escape route if it goes poorly (blast cones help a lot, or dashes over terrain Graves Gragas LeeSin Nidalee Shyvana Hecarim ). Often cant rely on your laner to bail you out even if you spam 200 pings low elo dummies wont give up that 3 CS to leave lane and save you or just oblivious to the map and any communication

This is my alt one trick (mostly) graves acct to play w lower elo RL friends. Main just gold but IMO the above really applies to bronze/low silver

YôshiFeb 14, 20171 votes

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Biggest impact I find lower elo junglers are scared to do is to invade the enemy jungle and has huge rewards when you do.

If the enemy jungler isnt there:

then you can tell your laners which side theyre on to be aware for ganks. Can deep ward to track them too which is way more efficient than warding a common bush

and their camps are up you can steal them setting their jungler further behind, do this safely though and not when you have no escape path, enemy laners MIA or you're low HP

You can go to their other side jungle and gank them since you know where likely they are, especially if the side you just checked has empty camps you know they just recently left that quarter

If they are there:

Can steal their low camps theyre working on then just walk out, setting them behind some CS. Losing jungle camps is huge because if you clear all yours and take 1 of theirs, you're actually up 2 camps vs them.

They may be low and get a free kill. Counterjungle ganks IMO are the most rare ganks but pay off huge so all your lanes cannot get ganked if their jungler is low or dead. Even if you dont get a kill you can send them home which means your lanes are all safe for a short time now

Makes other low elo junglers uneasy from stepping out of safety (mindgames) and they're less likely to go past river or gank if you've been all of their ass to let them know whose boss and your turf includes their jungle. I find they often start warding their own jungle to watch for you rather than putting out more important wards in neutral or enemy territory. You really want wards as deep as you can which gives a lot more info

A lot of low elo junglers just spend a lot of time farming or looking to gank weak lanes, but dont pay enough attention to the other jungler or where theyre at.

The vision plant makes it easier than ever to scan the enemy jungle. Always tag yours whenever its up so they cant do the same to you

Just make sure you invade smart. When the enemy laners are in lane (not coming back from base and can easily help their jungler), you have an escape route if it goes poorly (blast cones help a lot, or dashes over terrain ). Often cant rely on your laner to bail you out even if you spam 200 pings low elo dummies wont give up that 3 CS to leave lane and save you or just oblivious to the map and any communication

This is my alt one trick (mostly) graves acct to play w lower elo RL friends. Main just gold but IMO the above really applies to bronze/low silver

That is true actually. I hesitate when I think about invading so I end up not doing it. Like I feel like, would it be safe to invade as Elise? So I get scared but sometimes I would take my blue and then their red real quick then my red straight away but I felt like I was wasting time doing that when i should be giving really early ganks once I hit 3 which I get my stun. My real problem is not knowing how to end the game..like I do well early game but then I am like what next? Should I split push as Elise or should I stay with team? Sometimes I notice, there is always a free kill for me or my ally, when i find that opportunity to gank, I spam ping but my ally won't listen to engage first. I guess they get scared and stuff but sometimes they don't notice my pings which really frustrates me and I even ping until I reached the limit. So when i end up engaging first, i would just get a flash which is still good but I could of gotten the kill and a summ spell. I am not saying my teams are bad because yeah I am in Silver at the moment for a reason. But yeah, I just have trouble later game. I wonder if I can't end it because we lack warding and stuff?

Kirius DarkFeb 14, 20171 votes

I only dabbled w Elise the past few seasons. S7 she's pretty weak with the jungle changes and slowish clear speed and she's a strong early ganker but mid-late game doesnt have a huge impact since she's there for picks but I cant really comment since it depends on your team's comps which change from game to game.

Looking at you though: http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2424834085/49345443?tab=builds -Change all your yellow runes to flat armor. You REALLY want as much armor as possible early on in the game to help clear the jungle healthy and first clear is when you'll be struggling the most -Blue runes IMO I would use AP over standard MR or CDR in your case. Jungle camps dont do magic damage and with more AP you clear faster and gank harder. -Red runes pen is good. Swap that last AD one when you can -Glyphs more AP or pen. If you're going to one trick Elise then invest heavily into runes to make her the best you can with optimal runes. I did this with my main Hecarim with move speed Quints and feel quite a difference compared to my alt here which only has very basic AD or AP rune pages.

Mid-late game I'd look into tanking up unless you're super far ahead and can kill anyone. Enemies will be getting more damage and tankier so one of your rotations likely wont blow someone up anymore. Be in the front as an extra body with spiders to absorb skillshots for the backline. In the game linked I'm not sure why you'd get item 3001 ? Doesnt seem too efficient when they dont have much MR and your team doesnt have a ton of AP. I think item 3065 would have done a lot more since your spiders heal you, you'd get extra healing while being able to tank more. I'm a huge fan of item 3151 on Elise since she has CC to proc the bonus burn, makes her tankier and adds % damage on top of her execute with pen vs squishies. IMO I'd just get that + jungle item as the sole damage items then the rest tank especially in lower ELOs where there's prolonged teamfights you want to last.

Have seen item 3152 often too but that's more of an engage assassinate style which doesnt always pay off when the rest of your team doesnt always follow through with you, and you shouldnt ever be the front line engage. Good to close distance and pick people off, but if I had to choose that vs item 3151 , I'd probably go 9/10 times. item 3152 Also scales with AP which encourages you to get even more AP, but that's not what you should do if you want a higher impact in teamfights. I would play her as a %HP damage dealing bruiser/tank over instagib assassin, especially if there's other tanky types on the field you want to be relevant against all of them.

In lower ELO you need to be tankier to survive the mistakes of others, you cant really rely on the other people shielding you or peeling properly to get out if things go bad. When someone runs you'll find that then RUN straight for base and fuck everyone else, rather than in higher ELO they'll stick around with low HP to ensure everyone gets out, or if they can turn around for a quick peel kill since someone with 10% HP still does 100% damage, but low ELO the 10% guy is gone for the hills.