Permantently suspended for using "third party programs"???

algeria09··164 votes·10,713 views

Ooh well, riot doesnt give a crap. Atleast I am back in challenger on another account.

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T RexHasTinyArms21 votes

It's most likely that Riot banned the account for having been in X percentage of games that scripts or drop hacks occurred and the system bans on rate of occurrence because it cannot specify who is doing it in a particular game. However, while they may not change the ban they should at least be able to officially state that the game cannot access your computer and if hacks are used in enough games that you play, you will be banned. That way people can at least realize that they will risk being banned if they play in an elo that chronically has drop hacks/scripting regardless of their behavior. I know I would stop playing ranked if I was high enough elo for that to be a concern.

There may not be a way to fix it, and from what I can tell from their past behavior you're probably screwed, because while there are a lot of awesome people who work at riot any company that gets large enough tends to get bogged down in bureaucracy and have a 50% rate of decent at best. You just happened to get caught in he 50% of douche rules and regulations that come w/ being a large enough company to not have as much leeway with issues that would become chronic problems given the size of the player base. Essentially at some point any large organization hits a place where the problem of not hitting issues w/ a broad hammer impacts so may people in a moderately frustrating way, that you'll lose more money from not dealing w/ the frustration of the large group, than you do by completely screwing a small group that will experience extreme frustration getting caught by too broad a policy w/ little to no room for flexibility. Sorry man, up vote for sympathy, but I doubt rito will care bc it just isn't worth it to their bottom line.

algeria095 votes

I never agreed more on a post like you just typed. Sadly - this is true. I don't think they will do anything against it either - but I can atleast try. Thanks for the post, makes me feel a bit better I guess..

TenSlashTen2 votes

If its not hackers its lag abusers. if its not hackers and lag abusers its afkers and shit players that ruin your game.

If its not any of those they;re toxic.

League of legends community.

GroundRuleDouble2 votes

I'm sure this is not true. They have a much better system to detect than this. Also, all accounts are reviewed by humans before banning.

T RexHasTinyArms2 votes

The post I made was based on the statement in the riot response "detected... scripts within your games" and was made before the statement riot says it "detected hacks on [his] account." If the system were to ban in any way based on the occurrence of exploits in players games, rather than originating from the player's system, then whether or not it happened in this case there will be instances where this happens.

If rito can detect the attacks as originating from the player's system then it kind of begs the question, why are scripting, drophacking, etc even issues? Player is flagged for scripts, system confirms it is coming from that players system player is banned. End of story nice and fast, very soon people stop doing it bc of the immediacy of punishment and the fact it is no longer worth it. However if rito can't look at the coding and say "yep, that's an exploit in the code, you're the person cheating, the one true rito hath smote your account" then they probably use a predictive analysis to detect these issues similar to the way they address account sharing and elo boosting. If they take that approach it would make more sense that scripters still exist and aren't banned with near immediate reaction to their cheating, but it would also mean that like 0.1% of cases or something can just be statistical outliers who happen to land in games in the right order that they match the pattern for being banned.

Is that what I think happened here? Not necessarily. However, I always try to approach any topic from a "what if this is honestly what happened" perspective. If the guy cheated and is just trying to throw a big enough fit to get unbanned rito can back up their shit so they won't care, and he knows he's just being a crying tittybaby so telling him it's his fault isn't gonna matter to him. If however he honestly didn't do anything and just doesn't have better social skills to deal w/ it than throwing a "it's like being thrown in jail w/out representation, the boards support validates my complaint and must over rule your decision" fit, then he probably deserves an explanation or hypothesis about what happened and his options. If rito uses a predictive analysis to catch cheating and you have the unlucky miracle to actually hit a pattern similar to someone cheating and do this by accident, then you're probably screwed, because given that this is just a game and not the legal system, punishing one innocent person is always going to be worth it to the company and community if not punishing that person means letting 100 guilty people go free because the data was too similar and that not including innocent cases meant restricting the net to not catch some of the less bad offenders.

Now this is all based on the assumption that Rito doesn't just pull up info on what the background processes are that an account has running at the same time on their computer. I figure this level of information would require a warrant or something in the US, but I don't know the law or computers well enough to say for sure because neither are my area of study. Seriously though, if that's an option for how rito detects cheating why is it an issue at all? How do people use it more than 2 or 3 games ever before perma ban if rito has that level of proof?

Akuma Kai15 votes

Detecting of bots/hacks/third-party software is not hard. As well as detecting whether or not those detections are legit.

Chances are you used a hack and they caught you.

PanterLily11 votes

The 2 main reasons I believe you :

Financial commitment: One needs to be pretty childish to spend so much money on an account and than to gamble the account with scripting.

Your smurf not being banned: I assume u play ur multiple accounts from the same machine and same install folder.

I really doubt that they have a way to detect scripting anytime the system wants. I think they can detect changes in files while patching. The system scans the files and its possible to create a log file that it sends back to Riot system flagging if it found anything wrong. Also they most probably are checking game logs and request to the server during gameplay; (still blind guesswork here) but a replay software might have done u for this one. Im just trying to help you to narrow down the possibilities. Hope someone at @Riot decides to check again your case.

algeria093 votes

Thanks for the support. I indeed play on the same machine, same playstyle, same champions.

Knalxz10 votes

Wait so you've been saying this for 7 months and it still hasn't been resolved? WTF

Help a brother out here please.

algeria096 votes

It happened 2 days ago sir. :)

TBakes9 votes

Ultrapanam even said perma-bans are reviewed by a human representative. What motivation does Riot have to ban your account if you did not actually cheat? I feel like from their perspective, it is in their best interest to practice scrutiny when reviewing this sort of thing.

Also, why would you transfer to other regions if you know that there is a lot of drop-hacking/scripting going on? It just seems suspicious.

algeria093 votes

Read the post better please. I stated that too.

Ten60wAddison1 votes

TL DR

algeria095 votes

Then don't comment.

Ten60wAddison2 votes

TS DR

FluxBound8 votes

If they let you go, then they have to let everyone who scripted and hacked go too. They alerted the system and got banned just like you. If you didn't do anything wrong, but all the evidence you have comes from yourself, Riot can't really trust you. I'm not saying you hacked or anything, just saying you need some full, legit proof. Also, if you want to "get out of jail," it would be best if you didn't curse.

algeria092 votes

Maybe so - but you gotta understand that this is getting the better of me right now.

Uiru7 votes

The odds of this being legit are low (the LyteSmites on the old boards were like Christmas morning, except they happened like twice a week) but if Riot is so sure this guy was hacking, telling him which hack he used should not reveal anything.

Or maybe they did. We'll never know.

Vistha Kai6 votes

I've learned many years ago that Turks are THE worst thing you can run into in any multiplayer game.

  1. They abuse every exploit and hack possible.
  2. They are the biggest toxic waste in the internet.
  3. They are the biggest crybabies that will spam "noob" everytime you do something thay don't even slightly like and will try to get you kicked/banned if the game allows it.

Guess you learned that the hard way.


As to the issue, I can imagine how this system works and I feel for you.

Sadly, this is a thing with every punishment system Riot rolled out in the past 2 years and they will blindly defend them as if they were infallible and the pinnacle of penal system evolution.

GroundRuleDouble5 votes

I was unaware you knew all of Riot's procedures. Well played! Please, enlighten the rest of us in your endless knowledge about Riot's processes.

Häßlich8 votes

You left out the part where he generalizes an entire country as if they all share a single set of values.

Av3nger775 votes

Well, I cannot prove it, but I believe you and will upvote for a review. I hope your account gets unbanned.

Av3nger77

I is Illiterate5 votes

I believe you, since Riot's automated banning systems with the exception of LeaverBuster are crap. I hope this gets resolved

Sarutobi4 votes

So despite that you admit you may have exploited a bug, or played with hackers you dont know why you were ban?

If reason one is true, and it was an exploit you use to your advantage despite the fact you dont do it anymore doesnt negate you from punishment. Granted if it wasnt true, its still seems stupid to do since it would probably trick the server into thinking you are up to something. But even with that your second reason is enough for a permaban. In the ToS it states that you dont even need to be the person using hacks to get punished, if you are shown too often playing with the same people using hacks, or exploiting bugs/glitches that warrants a ban since what you are saying while being with them is that you are ok with using hacks despite the fact that you yourself isnt using it.

All in all while i do like that that type of response from riot. They could have helped you a lot better. they have their system in place and from what i see its been working especially when dealing with hackers. Granted there can be mishaps, but those are far and few.

algeria097 votes

It is not exploiting a bug at all. In fact - it did not even work cause in the end I still got drophacked. /pause normally doesn't even work in matchmade games only for customs. So no, I did not exploit anything.

TenSlashTen4 votes

50 bucks says you used a script/drop hack and got banned for it. 50 B U C K S

OJ1912 votes

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50 bucks says you used a script/drop hack and got banned for it. 50 B U C K S

that's a lotta deer

TenSlashTen2 votes

Deer jerky would feed me until I die.

sebastian53673 votes

What are drophacks and scripts? im new to league and have never heard of these. thanks

algeria094 votes

Drophacks are hacks that make the game dissapear and you won't gain or lose LP in a ranked match. People use it to not lose a game.

Scripts are stuff like dodging skills automatically. Or hitting every skill with a computer automated program.

Honestly - I don't care about Riot not wanting this all to be revealed. They banned me for nothing - I won't stay silent in a corner crying, I want my account back.

Vekkna3 votes

A few easy-to-recognize examples:

-ADC that stutter-steps perfectly the whole game, even at very high attack speed

-Kalista who hops in a perfect circle around you at exactly max range when you are stationary and who hops back to exactly max range when chasing or kiting

-Wukong that dodges 100% of skillshots with his clone if it's off cooldown. In one game I was hiding in a brush near dragon river, dropped a vision ward, and went stealth (as Teemo). Wukong walked into the little island bush a few moments later with 3 other teammates. Morgana walked into my bush, fired her Q through the wall into the island brush. Wukong managed to clone it despite it being impossible for him to have vision of her or know it would even hit him when 3 champs were all stacked together. Dumbest shit I've ever seen (and it happened with all kinds of skillshots throughout the game).

-Nidalee that magically threads dense packs of minions at max Q range throughout a game without ever hitting a minion

Other cheats can tell you exactly which enemies are killable versus one who will kill you. For example, you're Vayne at level 10 with 1 full item built at 60% hp. It will tell you (or mark) enemies who can't kill you faster than you can kill them based on level, items, cooldowns, etc. So you never all-in a bad 1 v 1.

3tyson2 votes

Stopped reading at 1 if your intentionaly trying to get a bug like typing pause or w/e you should not be banned its only human nature to try and atleast see if its true i can hardly blaim you for abusing it (having fun with it) if it works

installing and using scripts seems leggitly cheating but if you notice zed has a bug to instakill people woth botrk or w/e its up 2 riot to fix it

T RexHasTinyArms6 votes

If you read carefully the OP wasn't trying to exploit the system to pause the game, he was trying to use a possible method to avoid being drophacked/paused by other players. Or at least that is his explanation.

Demonsolder212 votes

Good cheaters deserve a perma ban.

Justice has been served here.

Av3nger772 votes

Dude, One doesn't invest money and then risk it all by hacking

Vellich0r2 votes

Honestly I just want to see riot actually respond to this with someone we actually know is good at being intelligent.

AbstracT Theory2 votes

I saw another post like this, it actually makes me feel so bad for you. It worries me that if i ever do good or go on a win streak then i will be banned for hacks/scripting.

Qsario2 votes

They'll never show logs because the people running cheats would use the logs to beat their anti-cheats.

I have no way of knowing who's right, but I do know that there's roughly a 0% chance they'll reconsider.

Labrat2 votes

So what you're essentially saying is that Riot does not have any evidence to prove you've used hacks. But do YOU have any evidence to prove them wrong? I want to believe you, but so far your only argument is "I didn't do it".

Celeste Benal1 votes

Why would you change your local client language to en_gb (English Great Britain for the brain dead) if it clearly is not your native language?

algeria093 votes

Because there is no option for The netherlands and I don't want to play in Russian. :)

Demonsolder211 votes

In all honesty though the system doesn't lie.

Scary Door3 votes

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In all honesty though the system doesn't lie.

How do you know that? Because Riot tells you so? Just believing something because it seems logical or sounds like a legitimate system isn't exactly a good idea.

Av3nger771 votes

Here is an interesting article, quite funny too. Might want to check it out.The man who hacked LoL

Maratsune2 votes

Wha? I've no idea how I've never heard of this before. Interesting article.

Av3nger772 votes

Well, they hid it very well. Very funny :)

Demonsolder212 votes

Funny how they didnt tell the breached accounts that they were breached.

PoopLoopist1 votes

Its not that they can't prove it, it's that they WON'T prove it to you so that you have no idea how they detected your HACK, and yes you were hacking and more than likely someone like me realized you were and reported you for it, infact probably lots of people did, which was probably only PART of the case against you. If you play the same way and the same champs on your smurf than just level that account up i don't see what the big deal is, unless of course you cheated your way into higher elo and want to reap the rewards from your cheating. Grow up, stop cheating, stop trying to bullshit your way through life. Here's an idea, instead of cheating, actually get good at the game.

Wimbledofy1 votes

If you had your main account banned and lets say you were wrongly banned, you think you can get over it just by playing on a smurf that doesn't have all the rp you have spent on your main account? The big deal is that he spent a lot of money on his main account and he can't get that back by playing on his smurf.

PoopLoopist2 votes

All things he should have thought about before cheating. and yes, he did cheat. they dont ban people for cheating who dont cheat. sources? 7 years of playing without cheating. never been banned once, been accused of cheating 100s of times. been in games with cheaters 100s of times and reported them for it, wouldnt be suprised if one of them was this guy. they dont ban innocent people for cheating, they ban cheaters for cheating. this guy is simply trying to figure out how they found out he was cheating so that he can continue cheating, in other words, go fuck yourself guy. im glad you are banned. clearly deserved. nice job riot!

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