Report system abuse
Is it just me or i have the feeling that people abuse the report system
Is it just me or i have the feeling that people abuse the report system
i got reported by 4 people for going 9/9 on amumu....
wasnt because i was amumu...was because i built an abysmal sceptre
seems legit
Players do occasionally report falsely. It happens.
Players who do so regularly have their report weight lowered, so they are less able to impact the players they report and whether or not a case is built against them. They aren't informed about this.
Players who do so enough not only have their report weight reduced to zero, but they can - and have - received bans for it.
All-in-all, the system is such that while false reports may happen, abuse of the report system should not affect other players in any way that valid reports would not. It is, I feel, a pretty clever bit of design.
its a horrible desighn actually. it lets trolls especially low trolls put marks on other players accounts and names.. and you know that its more like 20% of all reports are even for a valid reason and even than many of those did not call for a report. I guess the real problem is in the game design if they need to have some wierd system that forces people to stay with horrible people on their team. Not bad players mind you..bad people.. Also Why would you not let us chat on the VS window before games.. its the longest waste of time in this game..besides posting on the forums about issues
its a horrible desighn actually. it lets trolls especially low trolls put marks on other players accounts and names.. and you know that its more like 20% of all reports are even for a valid reason and even than many of those did not call for a report.
Perhaps so. But the question then is, do those marks matter?
Because they don't, really. False reports are meaningless to the player who receives them. For two reasons, mostly:
First - It's very rare for a player to have a case built against them based primarily on false reports. Second - Even if a case was built against a player based on false reports, they'd be pardoned by the review step.
The average player is reported in 3-5% of their games. That's it. The reporting system builds a case when a player has been reported in 12-25% of their games. Think about that a minute. To even have a case built, you have to be reported 4-5 times more than the average. That alone ensures that the occasional (and they are pretty occasional) false report isn't going to do any harm.
I've also heard that report histories (for the purpose of case-building, anyway) are wiped after some amount of time, but I don't think anyone that's not on the Riot behavior teams knows how long for sure.
Players do occasionally report falsely. It happens.
Players who do so regularly have their report weight lowered, so they are less able to impact the players they report and whether or not a case is built against them. They aren't informed about this.
Players who do so enough not only have their report weight reduced to zero, but they can - and have - received bans for it.
All-in-all, the system is such that while false reports may happen, abuse of the report system should not affect other players in any way that valid reports would not. It is, I feel, a pretty clever bit of design.
who fed yo these lies? calling feeders ass feeders/ shit feeders / feeders is abuse in ritos eyes
imagine how happy people are when they get the shit feeder 3 games in a row
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who fed yo these lies? calling feeders ass feeders/ shit feeders / feeders is abuse in ritos eyes
Well, yes. Riot believes that insulting people is abusive. Probably because it is.
Which means that reporting such is not false reporting. Which means it's unconnected to my prior post.
Well, yes. Riot believes that insulting people is abusive. Probably because it is.
Which means that reporting such is not false reporting. Which means it's unconnected to my prior post.
if i play with you three games and you fed all three games you are trash you are a shit feeder and you deserve the abuse for ruing the game for 4 others 3 times in a row is that one sentence not clear enough?
imagine how happy people are when they get the shit feeder 3 games in a row
you have a promising career in the media they love people like you who doctor shit and conveniently leave out key parts that make a world of diffrence
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if i play with you three games and you fed all three games you are trash you are a shit feeder and you deserve the abuse for ruing the game for 4 others 3 times in a row is that one sentence not clear enough?
Oh, it's plenty clear. But neither I, nor Riot, agree with it. In fact, most of western society doesn't agree with it.
you have a promising career in the media they love people like you who doctor shit and conveniently leave out key parts that make a world of diffrence
I left that out because it was irrelevant to what I had been saying in the first place, and certainly irrelevant to my response.
But since you want me to address it, I'll do so here:
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imagine how happy people are when they get the shit feeder 3 games in a row
I imagine they aren't very happy about it at all. However, that doesn't make abusive behavior any less abusive.
im not for circle jerking so this is my last pot for a moron like you.
most of western society doesn't agree with it.
you sadly are not the majority you think you are. riot is very misguided about their abuse function designed by furor lyte. if you dont want me to flame you then you should listen to instructions given the first time. if i have to resort to jsut afk at this point we are better off with you afk so we can attempt to win a 4 v 5 you knwo the thing that forces people to ff or play smarter? there is something very worng with you and its a gaint red flag that you as the shitty failure are waving saying please abuse me...
dont beilve me look at the state of the game.its not becuase of people more and more people like me are playing.
its becuase furor lyte has released toxic after toxic program based of a socialist nature and jsut like socialism hes systems will fail over and over becuase humans will miss uses and abuse the shit out of them for the own good.
so heres a question for you this is the only thing you need to answer
do you give a starving man a fish? or do you teach a starving man how to fish?
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im not for circle jerking so this is my last pot for a moron like you.
Ah. I had hoped the discussion would get further before the pointless personal attacks. Hope springs eternal, I suppose.
you sadly are not the majority you think you are.
Every school I've heard of teaches that abuse is unacceptable. It's one of the primary goals of early childhood education. Beyond that, every public spectacle of abuse is met - in the society I live in, at least - with public outcry. Given that, I'm going to have to ask you to cite that a little better than not at all.
riot is very misguided about their abuse function designed by furor lyte. if you dont want me to flame you then you should listen to instructions given the first time. if i have to resort to jsut afk at this point we are better off with you afk so we can attempt to win a 4 v 5 you knwo the thing that forces people to ff or play smarter? there is something very worng with you and its a gaint red flag that you as the shitty failure are waving saying please abuse me...
Beyond the Godwin you've hit here, there's nothing but personal opinion, devoid of any kind of support. As such, there's nothing of substance for me to address.
dont beilve me look at the state of the game.its not becuase of people more and more people like me are playing.
its becuase furor lyte has released toxic after toxic program based of a socialist nature and jsut like socialism hes systems will fail over and over becuase humans will miss uses and abuse the shit out of them for the own good.
I'm not sure how Lyte's systems are socialist in nature. I'd be interested in hearing how you think they fit that particular philosophy.
so heres a question for you this is the only thing you need to answer
do you give a starving man a fish? or do you teach a starving man how to fish?
That's a false dichotomy. There's no need for it to be either/or. In fact, neither is effective alone.
Give the man a fish, and he's hungry again later - eventually starving.
Attempt to teach the man to fish, and he starves while he tries to learn.
Feed him first, though, and he'll have the energy and time for you to teach him to feed himself.
Perhaps unsurprisingly, not a single word of that you've said so far addresses how these systems are abused. Which makes sense, I suppose, since if I'm understanding your argument right, you're trying to claim that the systems themselves are abusive.
Of course, you haven't really explained how that works either.
If you're going to show that I'm wrong, you're going to need to use some actual evidence, and perhaps have an actual claim - ad hominem attacks, appeals to emotion, and Godwin arguments simply aren't going to help you.
This is what you do!! reading all LOL players!!! "STOP GIVING RIOT GAMES REAL MONEY UNTIL THEY GET RID OF REPORT SYSTEM" simple!!!! Talking shit online is never going to go away...everyone is in the game wanting to win and talking shit is the best way to DISTRESS so FUCK RIOT and stop giving them real money!!! because their REPORT SYSTEM is a total FAILURE!!!
A lot of people just report every game and it's really annoying. I get a warning every 3 games or so because of trolls.
a lot of people report because someone didnt do what they say, or getting wrong items . see a lot of duo people report teammates and do that every game. why can't we just blacklist people and they will never play with us in ranked or at least in low ranked games
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Yes people are most definitely abusing the report system... It's getting to be a joke!
I like how Riot claims to review all reports made against everybody and that they take the correct action against players, yet I've been banned for literally nothing. I've been in at least 10 games now where I haven't said a word all game and I've been giving a warning for my behavior(some troll reported me, and likely everyone else).
There's no review step for the in-client pop-up warnings. They're fully automated, being triggered by "spikes" in reports against your account.
I'd be interested in seeing your evidence regarding a false ban, though. I haven't seen one yet that wasn't corrected, and I'd love to see some solid data contradicting that.
Clearly Riot doesn't review all reports made against players, they just ban people once they see that someone has been reported enough times(right or wrong report, it doesn't matter to them, just the number of reports made against you).
Well, no, obviously they don't review every single report. But they can and do review a case/account when that account has been reported enough.
I don't really understand why people seem to think that the system must either involve a review of every single report ever issued or ban based exclusively on the flat number of reports. Why can't it be a system that combines those two?
I've asked most people on my friend's list if they've had people report them for no reason as well, and almost every single one of them has had this happen to them as well! I know I'm not the only victim of false reporting and Riot being lazy. This needs to be handled Riot, quit being useless.
Pretty much everyone gets reported at some point. Most players are reported in approximately 3-5% of their games. A case is only built when a player is reported in 12-25% of their games - some 4 or 5 times as much.
yep got reported because I wasn't playing that well on the newbie server.... got insulted in the chat and then reported at the end of the game as the guy was telling the entire team to report me for my bad playing (it's been 4 days since I first started playing LOL) ...
I got reported by 4 ppl cause they were all together and I got chat restricted some told me to kms but I got in trouble makes me seem like riot supports suicide cause this isn't the first time this has happen riot fix your report system cause I'm being punished for other ppl ganging up on me u should actually review your tribunal system instead of having it automatic please and thank you.
Ok so, your thread was deleted, whether by moderators for not being on the PB&M board or by yourself idk.
Anyway, no. Their behavior does not excuse yours, and a manual review will not result in a different judgement if you were being toxic back to them. Premade reports do not stack; a 4-man premade reporting you will only look like one report to the system, and even if they are all solo you will not get punished unless you have been toxic frequently or extremely (or both).
I suggest posting your reform card so we can look over it.
that's not true at all I wasn't toxic just said can u guys stop ppl like you is the reason their report system wont change cause u support unfair reports
I keep requesting your chat logs so you can prove it. If you really did nothing then they can remove the punishment, but you're not giving me any evidence that this is the case. They can look at your logs (I already suggested submitting a ticket) and see what really happened whether you share the logs or not.
i said I don't have them and I don't know how to get them m8
You never said that. You will be presented with your reform card upon logging into the client. You should also receive them in an email.
I did say that but my comments are being deleted I posted them in pbm and I'm going right now
I see now that your new post added that. If you can get them they will facilitate a constructive discussion.