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Tribunal 2 Week Ban

Dr Matin··1 votes·1,134 views

Hi, I recently got banned for two weeks. I was sent a "reform card" which contained my latest game which was deemed toxic. By what means was it deemed toxic? Not sure, but I know for sure it wasn't reviewed by a human because I was banned less than 5 minutes the game ended. Also keeping in mind that the Tribunal is down, I find it hard to believe that this was looked at by a human at all. Prior to this I got a small chat restriction that again, I believe was not viewed by any intelligent life form. I made a ticket regarding this issue and have no gotten any response from a human being. I'm not sure if you guys have lack of funding but it would be nice to know that when I get an automatic 2 week ban (not the typical escalating 1 day 3 day 1 week 2 week) at least it was seen by a human and deemed toxic. Personally, I believe that this new "system" is unjust and should be suspended until a better system is put in place. I have no idea how literally every punishment is judged by a computer and no one finds this wrong.

Also, as a small suggestion, why is there no option to mute oneself? Why can't we make it so that we cannot talk? Why do you not have a permanent mute option as opposed to a permanent ban? At the end of the day 99% of what needs to be done can be communicated through smartpings now anyways. Instead of just banning players that you don't like (though I don't agree with the common philosophy of "If you're a jerk get banned", I understand your point of view(A*)) why don't you offer alternate solutions such as permanent chat restrictions and even less than 3/5 messages starting and 1 message per 4 mins? There are many options that are still yet to be explored that may help with REFORM over SUSPENSION. And as I have noticed, you guys emphasize reform.

Also I don't know why the quality of the tribunal has been declining as updates progress. 2 Years ago every case was at least viewed by a number of kids who probably have unfit judgement anyways (but better than now) and the bans were always 1,3,days - 1,2 weeks - perma.

2 years later no punishments including chat restrictions and "tribunal" bans are viewed by humans (pretty outstanding evidence suggesting this) and it automatically skips to 2 week ban. Nice!

A* - I understand It's easier to target the obvious offender (verbally abusive) but why don't you try for once in your lives to ban trolls/afks/intent feeders? As mentioned numerous times "very few players are banned for intentionally feeding" yet I happen to get so many in my games. And i don't mean going into lane and coming out 0-3. I mean people who legitimately don't care, give up, and stand in front of the enemy and die in ranked play. I totally get it, it's easier to prove someone's verbally abusive over someone is an intentional feeder but what's the point of giving someone nicotine patches if the reason they smoke is depression? I rarely find people who rage and curse for the heck of it, I can wager 99/100 times it's onset by something his or her team does and sometimes it can be justifiable but I guess it's a matter of opinion. You guys think that being a bit harsh is never okay.

P.S. I know this is not the tribunal inquiry section. I'm not familiar with the forums and I could not find the "tribunal inquiries" section.

Also, please don't bother responding if all you're going to say is "good toxic people deserve bans!" "I'm sure you were actually toxic!" as that's not even what I'm talking about and if I have the decency to provide a genuine question you should not be a hypocrite about your jerk theory and at least show the same decency by responding with a genuine answer. -- Thanks to whoever can move this to right section. Again, apologies, sorry, I'm new,

10 Comments

SmokedAlmonds1 votes

You should post your reform card. Otherwise there isn't really anything anyone can say about your ban.

Dr Matin1 votes

I think that in that last game particularly there were some things that I said that I would agree were toxic. But I'd like to clarify again that that is not the issue. My problem is why none of this is checked by a human being because they only give you two week bans after a significant amount of toxic activity.I have no evidence showing that a human has looked over my other games (toxic or not) for them to say I now deserve a two week. In essence what I'm saying is all the punishments I've been given so far have not been warranted by a human. Also, the reform card includes a chat log of that last game, no more just than 1. I asked riot support for evidence that was "analyzed" and they never got back to me. been 4 days. My point is that an AUTOMATED 2 week ban is way way way too harsh and crude. If you're gonna hand out two week bans (aka right before perma ban) at least have a human review the case. I know that this was definitely not seen by a human because it banned me less than 5 minutes after that game ended sooo idk what kind of justice system this is.

Edit: It seems they gave me the 2 week ban simply based on reports.. so in other words they don't care if the report is legit or not, they assume that you must be guilty based on whether you get them or not (a horrible mistake)

Kao Atlantis1 votes

The 2 week bans that are given out by the computer system are for excessive toxicity, which can include extreme toxicity, homophobic slurs, sexism, and racism. As it turns out, Riot has done a ton of tests and found the computer is more accurate at determining when someone should get a suspension than a human is.

If you really believe you shouldn't have been suspended, you shouldn't be shy about sharing your reform card with people. That said, if you want to dispute it in a non-public way, to have it checked by a human at Riot games, your best bet is to submit a support ticket directly to them.

SmokedAlmonds1 votes

if it can be judged by a computer why bother having a human involved? It is automated, but it isn't solely based on reports. It is scanning the chat for what is said to determine if the reports were valid.

You seem like you don't want to post your chat log so that makes me wonder whats in it.

Dr Matin1 votes

um it's definitely not half as bad as other games I've been toxic in and they only give what I said not the rest of the people in the game.. so I feel its a bit biased.

xVoltz1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Matin,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=6gH7EMmv,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-06-21T19:26:29.447+0000)

um it's definitely not half as bad as other games I've been toxic in and they only give what I said not the rest of the people in the game.. so I feel its a bit biased.

My ban was on a game where I wasn't really that toxic.Compared to others

SmokedAlmonds1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Matin,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=6gH7EMmv,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-06-21T19:26:29.447+0000)

um it's definitely not half as bad as other games I've been toxic in and they only give what I said not the rest of the people in the game.. so I feel its a bit biased.

Its not biased, its just judging you for what you said. Others get judged for what they said. Its a computer. Its treating everyone the same. The only bias I see here is yours.

So am I correct in that you are refusing to post your reform card? if so why?

Zombiemaster1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Matin,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=6gH7EMmv,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-06-21T19:26:29.447+0000)

um it's definitely not half as bad as other games I've been toxic in and they only give what I said not the rest of the people in the game.. so I feel its a bit biased.

That's not really biased at all. You are punished by what YOU say. It doesn't matter what other people say. If there is a "toxic" player in your game, and you respond to that player with your own "toxic" behavior, then all you are doing is bringing yourself down to their level and making the situation worse. It doesn't matter what anyone else says, there really is no justification for behaving "toxic."

If you say that you're defending yourself, well the best way to defend yourself here is to mute the "toxic" player (if applicable), report them after the game, and then move on. If you absolutely must say something in chat, do your best to keep it as calm and peaceful as possible, and if you can't do that, then it's best to not say anything. Like I said before, defending yourself from "toxic" behavior with your own "toxic" behavior just makes the situation worse for everyone else that has to deal with it because now, instead of one "toxic" player, they have to deal with two.

Hinro Honato1 votes

Um there is a self mute tool. It's called don't type to people when you're going to say something that will get you reported. Everyone struggles with it from time to time.

FWFHtc9vys1 votes

Hallo dear Boarders,

For a long time I have been a LoL player but recently I'm getting really frustrated with the tribunal's attitude and the punishment system. I've seen a progress in judging cases which is looking like a witch hunt instead of a judgment. The recent bans that i've seen on this forum and at my friends houses is complete nonsense. You are getting punished for reacting with a little bit of sarcasme, when having a bad time, or just doing nothing at all. I feel like we need a higher requirement for accessing the tribunal and we should have player mods look over the suspencion related cases. Anyways there NEEDS to come a change in this system cuz it isn't flawless and makes a lot of people pissed off since there too many REAL toxic players UNPUNISHED while they should've been gone for a long time.

With Kind Regards, TheChasingYi (oldschool quiting player) Hope you'll take this to your heart RIOT!

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