Bot Bans Incoming

RiotThe Wolff··123 votes·84,833 views

Hey everyone,

Last week, we banned accounts found to be cheating. This week, we're banning botted accounts. We want each and every game to feel competitive, and having bots on your team cripples your ability to work together as a team toward victory. As a result of these bans, we expect players will encounter fewer bots in their games, but there's still more we can do in our efforts against bots.

We wish we could provide more context, but we won't be answering questions about how we detect bots to avoid being reverse engineered. Just know that we're committed to keeping these bots down. We'll continue to improve detection as bots try to get around it, and we're working toward other solutions that will decrease motivations for botting.

160 Comments

Randomonium29 votes

Thanks for the hard work.

Any chance you guys can add an option to the report feature for people that we suspect are cheating or botting so we can weed them out faster for you?

RiotThe Wolff26 votes

Getting community support to identify bots can be helpful for investigations, and I'm excited to hear you want to help. We've thought about this feature, but aren't sure if we want to add it yet. One reason is that we can't simply ban bots off of reports alone...we need to be able to identify and ignore false reports.

For now, I'd suggest using an existing category that most closely matches the bot's activity (usually players use 'Intentional Feeding' or "Refused to Communicate with Team'). In the report comments, tell us that you're reporting a suspected bot and describe the activity that tipped you off.

Aa50GT5Uai13 votes

What I would really like to see is a report button that you can use in champion select, or perhaps one that you can do from your 'recent players' tab, as sometimes you can't get into the post-game screen to report someone from your previous game.

AMYS GRAVE4 votes

One reason is that we can't simply ban bots off of reports alone...we need to be able to identify and ignore false reports.

One thing you can do is when an account has a bot report of over X% of games force them to fill out a captcha before playing more games. that way real people would be able to get past this easily while the bots would not.

BoostedC1 votes

No, If i had to fill out a Captcha just to play I would not be playing anymore. That gets old on the internet.

Fizzthebroke6 votes

What sixdogman is trying to say is that you wouldn't have to unless you were repeatedly being reported for being a bot, otherwise it'd be there so bots couldn't continue joining games.

Deep Terror Nami25 votes

Sometimes I play a game and all 5 enemy champions are bots. I know they are because they act really strange and even have "bot" in their name. They aren't fooling me!

Fizzthebroke2 votes

Nice. :3

Deep Terror Nami18 votes

Blitzcrank NOOOOOO!

Riotcluvie12 votes

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Discoinfernape1 votes

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Why tear? Ban is good.

Starcall Casey14 votes

Blitz is a bot, bots are getting banned.

Taredom1 votes

Isnt blitz banned a decent amount anyways? :)

Deep Terror Nami4 votes

I ban him lol, I hate his hook! He isn't really banworthy overall, it's a "comfort" ban.

YT Rezyn7 votes

Whats funny is that its the same like the Music Industry had with Napster and the Movie Industry with their Movies 10 years ago. You dont adress the issue u just make it worse.

There is a Market for Accounts because People dont want to lvl up their Smurfs or whatever just because it is time consuming for no real reason. Plus the fact that there were multiple Posts on Forums and Reddit about how Smurfs make it hard for newer Players to get into the Game. So why dont u just adress the issue and make a purchasable Option urself? You gain Money, have less Botters (Because People dont want their accounts to be banned anyway) and new People are mostly playing with new ones as well aside from some Bots maybe.

The only point i think that is any valid is because u want to punish People that are banned for their behaviours but they will get a new Account so or so. I dunno its just not the best solution in my mind.

RiotThe Wolff9 votes

The best answer I can give you right now is "It's complicated."

We hear that players want secondary accounts. As for the reasons why, we're sympathetic to some (e.g. "I want to play with my friends who just signed up"), but not others (e.g. "I want to stomp noobs"). We're not sure that selling level 30 accounts is the best solution. There may be other ways we can support the 'good' use cases for smurfing in a way that doesn't require creating a secondary account.

Nameless Voice1 votes

Agreed with this.

The "good" use cases could be accommodated by new features designed to address what the players actually want to do. For example, some type of mentor system to allow level 30 players to help introduce new players to the game without forcing them to create another account.

I can't really think of many other honestly legitimate reasons.

  • A second account to play while the main account has queue-dodged - legitimate, but only because of problems in champion select, Ranked Team Builder should make this much less necessary
  • A second account to play while the first account is banned - not legitimate
  • A second account to play against lower-levelled / lower-ranked players - not legitimate
  • A second account to level up to plat/diamond/challenger/whatever again - not really legitimate, every game you play in ranked is disrupting the normal outcome of that game for the other 9 players (if your skill level is really that different from where you are placed)
  • A second account to practice champions and not lose too much ranking - somewhat legitimate, though a Ranked Team Builder that slightly adjusts you MMR based on champion familiarity would help here
YT Rezyn2 votes

There are a lot of other reasons.

    • Playing 1 Champ only in Ranked (Teeto)
    • Playing Normals with Friends, who happen to be not so good at the Game wich could lead to more Games lost and affect ur Win/Loss Ratio
    • Severs being messed up causing Ghost Games (Happened a lot recently and waiting 2 Hours for that account to be usable is just wrong)
    • Tournament only Account (ESL/ESEA what not)
    • Trying out new Stuff in General

So yeah and some of the others are already said. So i dont know why its so hard for Riot to either get rid of the Leveling System or having an Option to buy a Rank up to 30 for 1350RP wich is like what 10€? And thats the ammount u pay for a lvl30 Account on Various Site with 50k IP wich Riot could just skip and have People still play a lot of Games to obtain Runes and Champs. Ranked is Restricted until u own 16 Champs anyway. On the other Hand how likely is it gonna be that the Playerbase is growing exponentionally anyway? I mean we hit what 32Mio already? Even my Friends in lower Elos with flawless Behaviour and what not have a second Account just to have a backup for Stuff like those Ghostgames. Plus the Fact that when i introduce someone to League i dont like them to play from lvl1 either just because its going to be crazy at lvl 30 all over again due to Rune options and the whole Community playing much differently. 1 to 30 is like 3 to 4 Weeks in Bronze 3 or 4 and im not even judging them but People who could play better wont enjoy the Game at lvl 30 when they get stomped just because there is a total skill and gameknowledge difference between the Lvl itself. And if Riot really cares about their new Players, then why they haven't actually make the Tutorial a interactive Video based one?

Like:

  • Basics on how to obtain Gold
  • Lasthitting Minions
  • Objectives on the Map
  • Basic Roles in League of Legends (Tank, Assasin, Marksman, Mage)
  • Lanes (Toplane, Mid, Jungle and Bot)

Yeah they might say that they wouldnt force People into Meta but this isnt 2009 anymore and even if Riot denied it a lot in the Past they actually do enforce a certain Meta so why dont they just explain the Basics in their Tutorial? This is totally a struggle for someone who wants to pick up a Game like this and never played anything like it before. Back when LoL was released it sure as hell was more open in terms of diversity and options for a certain Playstyle. But that isnt the fact anymore since Riot does focus a lot on their esport and competitive side a lot more.

Give People the Tools to understand the Game within the Game. Because no one in the History of Gaming ended up going to youtube to learn how to play an RTS or a MOBA. Given the Fact that Riot do have a lot of talented People to get new Players emerged with the Game in a Video Series.. Hell just look up Rivington who could make anything look epic and cool and get urself engage just because he is just a natural entertainer. And for some Indepth > Advanced Videos u could just go for any other analytical caster to do such stuff and introduce new Players into the esports side of League of Legends as well by doing so.

I dont know but sometimes i feel that companys like Riot make it harder on themselves as it needed to be.

Hellioning6 votes

Have you tried 'remove the level grind because it's stupid and pointless?'

The only thing the level grind does is gate ranked, mastery, and runes. Ranked can just be put behind a 'play x amount of games' wall, and mastery and runes should not be gated if they continue to exist.

qetzel7 votes

I don't like this idea. The level up system was useful for me when I was new. I didn't feel held back, I felt as though I was learning and unlocking new things. I wouldn't have known what the hell runes are or how to use them, I used TP on ADCs (as did a lot of people I saw) and avoided flash well after first unlocking it because it was too different (Again, I was not the only one). I think that some level of gating for players new to this genre of game is necessary.

Hellioning3 votes

Okay, maybe. I completely forgot what it meant to be a newbie, it's been a while.

But honestly, I don't like having to tell new people 'This is the jungle. If you want to try it out, play one of these three champions who might not on free rotation. Otherwise, sorry, you need runes.'

Meanie403 votes

Tier 2 runes are really cheap (~10-100 IP each) and provide most of the effectiveness of Tier 3 Runes. I would actually recommend them to a Level 10 account now, then tell them to farm champions and forget about Tier 3 runes.

I also appreciated the "grind" as it were, being a player new to MOBAs when I created my account. The only difference I would choose is to force myself into PvP games very early, instead of relying on the CoOp games.

As for "smurfs", I personally think Riot should start enforcing a one account per region per person policy. Each and every objection breaks down when you make smurfing against the rules. (Normals for most of the "But I want to play in a way other than I normally play or with someone much worse or better than me.")

Hellioning1 votes

The cheapness of runes is kinda irrelevant. Also never reccomend tier 2 runes; tier 1 runes are much more cost effective.

And you can't really enforce the 'no smurfing' policy without running into edge cases. How do you know when someone has multiple accounts? Those two accounts that log in from the same computer and never play at the same time might be a pair of siblings that have to share a computer, but don't want to share accounts.

AbodyHUN6661 votes

I heard that the chinese server requires your personal ID number with a photo if you want to register. You can't really make a smurf whenever you get banned with that policy.

Meanie402 votes

I believe that's Korea; they have restrictions on overnight gaming for minors, which is part of the reason.

I don't really see North Americans going for this though. Have you seen some of our paranoia about stuff like this? Additionally, that would require the SSA (for the US) to allow Riot to check those numbers.

Feindesland5 votes

It is probably meant to discourage jungling. You can do it but it is not the default for new players. You only need runes / champs for the PvE part after all yet jungling is way more than just that. Your newb jungle may well end up being but an annoyance for his team. You need a lot of overview and at least some basic strategy / map awareness to jungle successfully. "Finally level 6! Wait... our level 3 WW just died to Baron?!?" - you've been there I guess: please remember. Besides: Nunu and WW cost 450 IP... That's like one evening with 3-5 games including a 1st win of the day. Not too much of a hurdle, is it?

Terchio2 votes

I think a problem with the game at the moment is that it is not a single-grind game. By that, I mean that when you first start playing the game, you start playing just to get frustrated at it, toss something at the screen, and then curse the heavens for a few weeks before you get bored of the next game or a friend calls you back, and you give it another shot. Before inevitably quitting again.

I feel that levels off heavily after level 30 because of the even games, though not always by skill. I don't think that's a bad thing.

Thing is, unlike most genres of games, MOBAs in general might best represent a board game. Extremely confined playing field, very similar play of objects on both sides, a start and an end that gets repetitive between games, and strategy to progress through the game.


Now let's compare to one such popular board game, Monopoly.

LoL lets you pick the strategy you want to play. You can play the support, akin to the purples or light-blues, a good early build to get moving, in an attempt to squander the higher roles before they can get their full footing, but not likely to win the game alone. You can play the bruiser, akin to the light purples and oranges, who tend to need a burst of early game effort to ensure the endgame goes their way. You can play the tank, akin to the reds and the yellows, and sacrifice a heavy amount of health (often relying on support disruption) to shut down any real counterplay late game. And then there's the greens and blues... those darned carries that need help from just about everyone it seems... But they manage this much power, and you better start teaming up against that fella. Immunities galore amongst other teammates to ensure that carry goes down before dangerous.

And then there's assassins. They want to be everywhere at all times, and poke for heavy damage early with NO MONEY WHATSOEVER, but (should) fall off heavily late. Clearly, they must be the railroads/utilities.


So, I can pay you money to ensure that I get the doggy as my character (Warwick). But not just the doggy. I want that doggy that ate that manatee, because that looks cooler on the board. However, I am playing this game, and people are starting off with full sets of light purples and oranges, and new people aren't able to afford it yet. How can you make fun games for people when leveling up often occurs with not only better Monopoly strategizers, they also start with properties initially. It's not fun. I have also gotten a taste of the 1-30 climb again after I made it the first time (legitimately), and it's a challenge as a veteran player, on several levels. But, one of the easiest leveling tools to fix, the easiest to remedy the situation, should have been simply to make the board even on all sides, though they may not be able to afford all the fix-ins for every strat possible... they should at least feel that their strat has a fighter's chance of pulling out a victory in the end.

So, c'mon, banker. I'm tired of you handing over properties during pre-game just because they have played a meager amount more than me. I want an even playing field. I want my low-leveled friends to have an even playing field, as it's not so fun to see them torn to shreds by a slightly unfortunate roll of the dice. A lost game should feel like I played wrong. I shouldn't feel like the board was set up against me, especially as a new player.

I don't want to say that new players are fully ready to rock the League at playtime of a level 10 player. But at least have them play the same game as we are so that they can actually practice it. For some reason, they're playing goalie in a WAY bigger net. And yes, I can do what I just did, because League is clearly also a sport.

LaceUp236 votes

What if I get reported because I'm too good and people think I'm cheating?

BADxW0LF4 votes

With an attitude of thinking you're too good, you're probably not good. I think you don't need to worry about getting banned.

LaceUp2312 votes

Bro, I'm level 10. It's called a joke.

MVDuneCats9 votes

If you have to tell people it's a joke, then the joke failed.

Maybe it was the delivery. Maybe the joke itself just isn't funny. Maybe both.

LaceUp239 votes

Personally, I think it is the intelligence level of the average board user :)

Shadolinkum3 votes

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LICENSED HOOKER9 votes

i was reading and im like, "damn hes gonna get swamped by the boards" and then i saw this comment..

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GoBardInThePaint5 votes

The joke that you used is arbitrarily overused so I found it rather dull. Your joke was poor in delivery and I rate it 3/10.

BastionKross6 votes

Will there be a specific reporting option for suspected bots, so players can help detect them?

Dunkrius2g4 votes

I might be a newbie but what does a bot do to cheat?

Triggies13 votes

Bots don't necessarily cheat. The likely scenario is that "bot" summoners, who are actually AIs (who act/play similar to the bots in Co-op vs AI), join PvP queues. The result is that the team with the bot(s) typically loses because bots are only given specific commands (e.g. recall when health is below 30%) and are not as adaptable to situations as humans are. This is done because bots can (slowly but surely) grind to level 30 without any human effort, hence why it may be called "cheating." Other bot accounts add random players and advertise URLs toward viruses or products. Either way, bots are nuisances to how enjoyable our games are, therefore they are getting banned.

WolfBV4 votes

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I might be a newbie but what does a bot do to cheat?

  1. Bots are like at the level of an Intermediate bot's AI so it's like the 5th person on your team is an Intermediate bot and usually will not get jungle camps or help with baron or dragon.
  2. They can be used to farm levels and IP without actually playing the game, say, a person that's toxic and usually banned uses a bot account so he can get it to level 30 and then can instantly get into ranked and troll. That's all I can really think of so far. People usually want to play against living people and not bots.
Gallowgrim3 votes

I'd say calling it "Intermediate AI" is being very generous...

My experience is "rush midlane, die to midlaner, ping in the jungle periodically, never bother to attack a structure even if its got a minion wave under it"

Mastter12334 votes

I really hope this gets answered. Riot when the bot accounts get banned will their name be freely available again? Since many cool names are taken by bots it would be really amazing if someone could make this happen when the ban wave goes through.

Riotcluvie9 votes

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I really hope this gets answered. Riot when the bot accounts get banned will their name be freely available again? Since many cool names are taken by bots it would be really amazing if someone could make this happen when the ban wave goes through.

Heyo!

As far as I'm aware, I believe that there is a system in place that actually frees up names on inactive accounts after awhile. This includes permanently suspended accounts too. You can read more about the Summoner Name Clean Up here.

Space Bum3 votes

Have you guys ever considered allowing more than one Summoner on a user account?

Maybe allowing players that have already reached 30 the ability to create additional level 30 Summoners that fall under the same user ID (possibly at a cap or for a price). Having accounts being linked this way could also persuade people to not troll because "whatever this is not my main" because the Summoners on the account would be linked and subject to punishment concurrently.

WestFitzgerald4 votes

LAN server is running wild with them. Took a break from ranked games ,went to a aram (level 30 dur ranked) NINE people were all boots. Bought boots 1 pot LOL

Not even trying ot hide it. Perma ban the accounts farming ip thanks.

Chimewlan3 votes

Thank you RIto ;u;

Aika Tsube3 votes

Are you also banning accounts that were bought and leveled up through botting?

RiotThe Wolff12 votes

We're focused on detecting and banning botted accounts before they can be sold. This doesn't mean that buying a botted account makes you innocent (our Terms of Use prohibit the buying and selling of accounts). That being said, let me answer your question directly: yes, accounts that were botted and sold are in-scope for these ban waves.

Lux Bot3 votes

What about me? Will I get banned for botting? ._.

Undefeated1 votes

Are there any other ban waves incoming? Or that's it ;p

RiotThe Wolff5 votes

There will be regular ban waves for bots going forward :)

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