Lack of creativity for female champs?

Fourward··4 votes·2,357 views

Hey, I just couldn't help but notice there are absolutely no humanoid monster female champions in League, even if there are many for males. For males, there are:

  • Alistar
  • Azir
  • Galio
  • Gnar
  • Hecarim
  • Fizz
  • Kha'zix
  • Nasus
  • Brand
  • Renekton
  • Rumble
  • Tahm Kench
  • Teemo
  • Thresh
  • Twitch
  • Urgot
  • Volibear
  • Warwick
  • Rengar
  • Wukong
  • Xerath
  • Zac
  • Ziggs
  • Kennen

While for female champions, there are only:

  • Cassiopea
  • Soraka
  • Tristana
  • Nami

I did not count Anivia, Rek'sai, Cho'gath because they are full-on monster, and not even in a human form.

The thing is, League is not the only game where we see this. There are many games out there where if the character is a male, he is a lion, and if the character is a female, it is a human girl with cat ears and tail just pasted on they heads and butts.

I just want to discuss why this might be the case...In the end, does the game devs not care about the fantasy-like setting, and only care about sexual representation of women so guys will drool over them?

Anivia is my waifu

EDIT: Added Kennen and Fiddlestick in the male section because I forgot them. Edit 2: Removed Fiddlestick due to him being in my personal gray-zone. He looks more like an object, more than a man.

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Ra1d3 votes

imagine a female tahm kench

Fourward2 votes

I, for one, would love to see that happen. Who wouldn't want to get licked by a girl

DeadlyQuestion1 votes

And then the outcry for oversexualizing BBW because of the licking.

Either have few females or have many and have to answer for "Why does (this female) do this (action no one would question a male champion for)?" I believe in equality across the board but it gets difficult when you're slammed for every decision you make.

Fourward1 votes

The thing is, though maybe the minority, the same thing already happens now, like it or not. I would rather think there might be more people appreciating the variety in female appearances other than their skin color.

SEKAI2 votes

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I would rather think there might be more people appreciating the variety in female appearances other than their skin color.

Not really, I think this issue would get automatically fixed if we preach "equality for all" and not just "more power to women" if you get what I mean.

Males are subjected to stereotypes here too, we just complain less or you know, not allowed to complain about it because that would get laughed at.

So if we use the first method I suggested, yes it would take longer, but imho, it's more sustainable and works to everyone's interest. And that's cool aye.

Fourward2 votes

Yeah, your first method is like a dream-come-true. But the thing is, "equality"holds different meaning for different people, so I don't think it would happen anytime we are alive.

I just want to see more creativity in female characters than just copy-paste humans with different hairs and with different accessories like cat ears and tails.

SEKAI2 votes

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Yeah, your first method is like a dream-come-true. But the thing is, "equality"holds different meaning for different people, so I don't think it would happen anytime we are alive.

I just want to see more creativity in female characters than just copy-paste humans with different hairs and with different accessories like cat ears and tails.

Despite I said that "Males are subjected to stereotypes here too", what I meant is all stereotypes (such as that "males are more barbaric/aggressive than females" for one) and not just locked on appearances. I personally think as long as a character has a diverse sense of self worth and is mostly capable of hold him/herself up, then a sexy appearance stereotype really is the least of the worries.

At least to me anyway, I really don't think a character being sexualised is wrong if that's not all he/she has up in the sleeves.

Nevertheless, it would be cool to see a fat or unsightly female champs arrive at League. I would gracefully accept the said champ, if the trait I mentioned above isn't forcibly watered onto my face if you get what I mean.

Fourward1 votes

Totally agree. Though stereotypes do make a character look more...flat in personality, if they have something that can make up for it, I think it's fine myself.

Pretty Dhizi1 votes

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Totally agree. Though stereotypes do make a character look more...flat in personality, if they have something that can make up for it, I think it's fine myself.

Stereotypes are unfortunately too common, even in games. It does make a personality VERY flat in most cases, but sometimes they execute it good enough to make it work out. but i'd definitely say we WILL see some monstrous female champions sometime soon. I'd love to see some.

Señor Karthus2 votes

Females in League have to be pretty, look young, wear ridiculous armors/outfits that reveal 90% of their skin and show some boobs (of course) or a big part of the Community would commit suicide for not having another sexist design to jerk off with.

SEKAI4 votes

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Females in League have to be pretty, look young,** wear ridiculous armors/outfits that reveal 90% of their skin and show some boobs** (of course) or a big part of the Community would commit suicide for not having another sexist design to jerk off with.

Fiora Leona Lissandra Lux Poppy Quinn Riven {{champion:113}Vayne Vi Not sure if there is any I missed though (I am being very timid and only pick the obvious choices here).

Rekt idiot.

Fourward2 votes

Love the poppy choice. so spot on lol.Vayne Annie Diana

Señor Karthus2 votes

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Fiora Leona Lissandra Lux Poppy Quinn Riven {{champion:113}Vayne Vi Not sure if there is any I missed though (I am being very timid and only pick the obvious choices here).

Rekt idiot.

Funny how all those that you listed (I am going to skip poppy since she is a Yordle and you are stupid for posting her) are indeed young and model-like female characters. Fiora Headmistress Fiora. Completely sexist. Leona a tank female that looks completely skinny and model-like while every male tank is huge and beefy. Lissandra Bloodstone Lissandra with a ridiculous outfit to show ass and boobs. Lux Not too bad. But there is Starguardian. Made over anime characters which we all know are among the most sexist things you can ever see. Still young and great looking. What do you want to prove? Quinn not too bad. But then you see the Woad Scout skin and, as every winter-related skin for a female character, it has even less clothes than the regular ones. Riven another character that is super strong but has arms like sticks just to fit into the likeness of the teenager sexist demography of the LoL player. And lets not forget about the most humiliating and sexist skin of the game. The playboy Riven skin. Vi are you kidding me? Officer Vi has been the wildest dreams of all the jerkers in LoL?

So you really think I get rekt with that kind of pointless crap? You did nothing but proving my point.

Get rekt.

SEKAI4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Fenrir Epsylon,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=5EiPL6Qg,comment-id=000300000001,timestamp=2015-08-23T03:49:48.493+0000)

Get rekt.

If you wanna complain just about anything you see under a microscope then just don't bother do and see anything because you'd even be offended by the wind blowing onto your face, shouting that why is the wind so sexist in blowing onto your face instead of your hands.

You may wanna look at the male champs, they are just about as sexualised as females.

What's wrong with sexualising characters anyway? As long as they don't go way overboard with the eye candy and let the toons keep a reasonable amount of identity there is nothing wrong having an attractive character, saying otherwise is just really silly.

Señor Karthus2 votes

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If you wanna complain just about anything you see under a microscope then just don't bother do and see anything because you'd even be offended by the wind blowing onto your face, shouting that why is the wind so sexist in blowing onto your face instead of your hands.

You may wanna look at the male champs, they are just about as sexualised as females.

What's wrong with sexualising characters anyway? As long as they don't go way overboard with the eye candy and let the toons keep a reasonable amount of identity there is nothing wrong having an attractive character, saying otherwise is just really silly.

Hypermasculine designs are just as bad. And it is also part of the problem of sexism and bad representation, violence against women and every other problem coming of sexism.

What's wrong you ask? Nothing if you are a sexist. Everything if you are an educated and decent human being.

Yatsufuså1 votes

So you want to see a female Urgot ?

Señor Karthus3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Verdauga Green,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=5EiPL6Qg,comment-id=000300000001000000000001,timestamp=2015-08-23T19:52:01.410+0000)

So you want to see a female Urgot ?

The question is: why not?

Fourward2 votes

ikr. It's not like we can't have any horrifying looking females for a change

LaceUp231 votes

Poppy

Fourward1 votes

She's just ugly, not horrifying

Yatsufuså1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Fenrir Epsylon,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=5EiPL6Qg,comment-id=0003000000010000000000010000,timestamp=2015-08-23T20:48:09.587+0000)

The question is: why not?

Because nobody plays Urgot mainly due to his outlandish appearance. His kit is toxic but it's OP af. Why would you want another ugly champ like that? lmao. (and I speak out of unbias duly to the fact that I play urgot and bought the crab skin regardless of how ugly I think he is)

Pretty Dhizi2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Fenrir Epsylon,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=5EiPL6Qg,comment-id=000300000001,timestamp=2015-08-23T03:49:48.493+0000)

Funny how all those that you listed (I am going to skip poppy since she is a Yordle and you are stupid for posting her) are indeed young and model-like female characters. Fiora Headmistress Fiora. Completely sexist. Leona a tank female that looks completely skinny and model-like while every male tank is huge and beefy. Lissandra Bloodstone Lissandra with a ridiculous outfit to show ass and boobs. Lux Not too bad. But there is Starguardian. Made over anime characters which we all know are among the most sexist things you can ever see. Still young and great looking. What do you want to prove? Quinn not too bad. But then you see the Woad Scout skin and, as every winter-related skin for a female character, it has even less clothes than the regular ones. Riven another character that is super strong but has arms like sticks just to fit into the likeness of the teenager sexist demography of the LoL player. And lets not forget about the most humiliating and sexist skin of the game. The playboy Riven skin. Vi are you kidding me? Officer Vi has been the wildest dreams of all the jerkers in LoL?

So you really think I get rekt with that kind of pointless crap? You did nothing but proving my point.

Get rekt.

God. You are what give feminists a bad name. I always cringe when I come across one that isn't GOOD at being a feminist..IE, using their brains, logic, and not just fighting mindlessly for some silly cause.

Señor Karthus2 votes

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God. You are what give feminists a bad name. I always cringe when I come across one that isn't GOOD at being a feminist..IE, using their brains, logic, and not just fighting mindlessly for some silly cause.

We don't need the approval of sexist people who don't understand sexism in media and representation. But thanks.

Pretty Dhizi1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Fenrir Epsylon,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=5EiPL6Qg,comment-id=00030000000100010000,timestamp=2015-08-23T21:20:26.855+0000)

We don't need the approval of sexist people who don't understand sexism in media and representation. But thanks.

Sexist, yet I stated prior, I don't care for gender? You need to get your story straight, rather than clowning around and acting like a clown.

Señor Karthus1 votes

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Sexist, yet I stated prior, I don't care for gender? You need to get your story straight, rather than clowning around and acting like a clown.

You are just like the people who say that they don't "see race" when coming to racism issues. And every non white person will tell you how racist that is by itself. Refusing to see gender when a problem of sexism is happening, is exactly the same. It is supporting the problem by willingly ignoring it and stating that it doesn't exist. Yes sir. You are sexist.

Pretty Dhizi1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Fenrir Epsylon,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=5EiPL6Qg,comment-id=0003000000010001000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-23T23:00:27.577+0000)

You are just like the people who say that they don't "see race" when coming to racism issues. And every non white person will tell you how racist that is by itself. Refusing to see gender when a problem of sexism is happening, is exactly the same. It is supporting the problem by willingly ignoring it and stating that it doesn't exist. Yes sir. You are sexist.

Alrighty.

  1. I'm Native American. I've live in a rural area of kentucky that was commonly filled with racism, sexism, and a lot of violence. When you're the one spouting that skin color doesn't matter, nor gender, i'm pretty sure i'm in the right here, rather than wrong.

  2. Sexism issues arise only between those who fear either having too much, or not enough in common with another gender. when someone loses something that shows that they're different than another, or that they're TOO much alike to the other sex. For some reason, feminists, and Masculists show these traits the most of all groups. If gender/sex/race is overlooked, and you rather look onto a person for who they are by soul/personality, good always overcomes bad. Unfortunately, you perform misandry in a sense because you're unwilling to consider both genders equal to one another, and are too caught up in the political issues that are coming from it. Yes, it's unfair that a different sex gets paid less for the same work -- that's just one example of many. But when you become fanatic over such a thing, you're taking the immature, apathetic route that doesn't fix the problem!

  3. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that since you're performing Misandry almost any opportunity you get, and trying to polarize the genders to a point of extreme measures, that YOU are the sexist one here. You have some issues with males, apparently. I've stated my reasoning, so you're free to state yours. I'm not a fan these issues because the two sides are fighting over something silly that should be settled through simple means. But I can see why it's taking so long with individuals such as yourself hanging around, literally spitting out pernicious arrogance constantly.

Fourward1 votes

If that is the case, if the female champion was "not human," they can just not wear anything at all and it would be ok because it's their exoskeleton, fur, energy, etc.

They can be more revealing than human female champ if they wanted to.

stealthfox942 votes

IMO there's more female diversity in League then people give it credit for.

Fourward2 votes

I agree that there are many female diversity, but not as much as the male in this game, just like other games.

GreenLore2 votes

I guess Lulu and Poppy are going to look a bit less human once they get updated.The lack of female yordles might also be because they were still figuring out what to do with female yordles in general,but thats just speculation.

However it also has a lot to do with archetypes. I mean Nami&Cassio are female because gorgons&mermaids are female.Ahri doesn't look that animal like because she is based on a gumiho. Likewise,Alistar,Azir,Renekton,Nasus,Wukong,Hecarim,Volibear are based on male figures(minotaur(the original was male),Ra,Anubis,sobek&Son-wukong,the rider of wa and Iorik Byrningson from the golden compass respectively). If they decide to do a harpy champ,the champ will almost definetly be female,simply because harpys are almost always female.

And in the case of Galio&Zac it is probably more because of gender stereotypes. These 2 are technically genderless(just like blitzcrank),but since "it" is dehumanizing,they are identified as male.

Anyway in the end I think there are 2 main reasons for that,which are pretty much the same why we don't have that many female inhuman monster champs either: 1.Fanservice,which mattered a bit more in the early days 2.That the male gender is usually seen as the standard gender.When looking at any kind of monster/animal,that isn't defined by being female,then it is usually seen as male.

SEKAI1 votes

The problem isn't that we don't have more female monster hybrid characters, it's actually more of a problem associated with that fact people are just more fine with monsterising males instead of females in especially the western culture, believe it or not.

More female monsters is always a nice thing to see no doubt and I would pay to see that happening gradually, however I just personally think that you got the root of the problem slightly off-course here in this thread.

EDIT: Also, one of the other problem is that, if they are gonna make a female monster humanoid, they can only do so by avoiding the mammal category altogether, which is not great. Why? Well I am sure everyone knows why.

I say fix equality first before we attempt this. Currently A is demanded to be equal with B and not the other way around, fix that first then we do can this.

Fourward1 votes

That is actually quite true. I played some JMMORPG, and they sometimes have humanoid monster females...maybe it's just that monsterising females are more out of American audience's comfort zone?

I don't think they need to avoid the mammal category at all. The thing is, if the game devs are too scared of the feminist extremists, then they won't be able to make any new female champions because all of them would be "over sexualizing" females one way or another. The only way to not get flamed by them is by making a female champion that is literally not human ( Anivia RekSai ).

We do want equality, but the issue is not that we have no equality, I think. I think it's just that we are just not comfortable with having monster-like creature with human form (anthropomorphic monsters). I just hope that in the future, we will be more open towards the idea.

SEKAI1 votes

We do want equality, but the issue is not that we have no equality, I think. I think it's just that we are just not comfortable with having monster-like creature with human form (anthropomorphic monsters). I just hope that in the future, we will be more open towards the idea.

While lacking female monster is an issue, and I tend to agree. But we should also fix the hard locked male stereotypes while we're at it too.

Señor Karthus2 votes

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While lacking female monster is an issue, and I tend to agree. But we should also fix the hard locked male stereotypes while we're at it too.

THere are tons of skinnny male champions. Even fat male champions. Ugly male champions. Pretty male champions. But that doesn't happen for female. Because that is a privilege of male designs. They can be different while women have always have to fit standards of impossible beauty. And before someone comments here about Reksai. I am obviously talking about human or humanoid champions. Not monsters or yordles.

SEKAI2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Fenrir Epsylon,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=5EiPL6Qg,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-23T04:25:35.658+0000)

THere are tons of skinnny male champions. Even fat male champions. Ugly male champions. Pretty male champions. But that doesn't happen for female. Because that is a privilege of male designs. They can be different while women have always have to fit standards of impossible beauty.

Are you seriously saying that being ugly in a media is a male privilege, don't you think you're going just a little too far in your opinions?

EDIT: deleted the rest of the post as I think it derails a bit on matters I have already explored in other posts within the same thread, so I find leaving only this question should be more suitable.

Señor Karthus3 votes

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Are you seriously saying that being ugly in a media is a male privilege, don't you think you're going just a little too far in your opinions?

EDIT: deleted the rest of the post as I think it derails a bit on matters I have already explored in other posts within the same thread, so I find leaving only this question should be more suitable.

Being allowed to be ugly? Yes. It is a privilege. Being forced to only have impossible beauty standards as your only representation is oppressive. You can't see it because you are blind in your privilege.

Men characters: you can find them big, small, ugly, fat, skinny, handsome... Female characters: all young and pretty.

Representation matters. It doesn't matter to you because you are privileged and it doesn't affect you (or you think it doesn't, obviously it did since you grew up to be a sexist). But it matters and it can shape lives. How do you think a black kid grows up seeing not a single character of his skin color in his favorite game? (at least until Lucian and Ekko) How do you think a big girl responds to only seeing female characters with perfect bodies?

I am not going to bother to comment a lot about all the importance of sexism and representation in media because that gives for a whole library of books. But the question that we can bring to this forum is simple: only 1/3 of characters are female. 100% of humanoid characters look young and standard-beautiful. A high percentage of them have sexist designs or sexist skins. Those are facts. The rest is bullshit.

SEKAI1 votes

@Fenrir Epsylon, a wall incoming so bear with me.

Let me give you an idea on just how,imo, wrong you are,

In the western media where more often than not, males are portrayed as stupid, ruthless, barbaric (just some are used positively and some negatively), and an occasional Gary Stu. Females on the other hand, are viewed as beauties, smart, oppressed and is always right. Under this situation, you have the gut to come out and say "Hey that's not fair, I wanna have the privilege to be stupid too!"?

Well duh, instead of being on about how the others are mistreating you, can you realise you're also misunderstanding the situation to begin with?

This is exactly the problem I have with modern feminism, a lot of today's agenda stems from double srandards and nothing else.

Are females portrayed unrealistically? You bet! And SO ARE MALES!! But we don't complain because most guys are trained since very little to have the right mind and take media as a interpretation of real life and not the representation of it. Teenage boys, like girls also faces body image problems during their puberty, and it's not like they get any support to guide them through the stage of emotional turbulence when growing up.

But - but guys aren't oppressed unlike girls! OH REALLY?

  • Do I really need to point out that 60-70% of male criminals are raised by single mothers, but 90+% child custody are given to the mums instead of dads?
  • Do I really need to tell you girls initiates most of the divorce as well? As well as the complete absent of responsibility the female partner needs to hold in a marriage or relationships?
  • Do I really need to let you know that males have dangerously high suicide rate when compare to female yet it's never addressed?
  • Do I really need to also mention that there is basically no fund going into male specific diseases and their other issues?
  • Do I really need to give you a heads up on just how many men die at work yet nothing was ever done to improve the BS working conditions a huge amount of men are forced into because girls will never do it?
  • Do I really need to announce that guys are raped almost as often as girls, offset by a small margin of single digit percentage, yet you never cared or heard of it?
  • Do I really need to highlight the amount of false rape accusations that fly in court? And the serious lack of guys in job positions such as teaching as a result of it?
  • Do I really need to share an info that although laws are supposed to be written neutrally, but laws from some countries even suggest that only males are capable of raping?
  • Do I really need to circle out that there is virtually no safe shelters for men when they need them?
  • Do I really need to correct the idea that western media portrayal is fair or even biased towards men? Let's not even mention many of those less ideal male figure is actually something to do with racial/cultural stereotypes and not a "positive trend" as you so claimed.
  • Do I really need to come back to this topic once more to shed some light on just how many boys are facing the body image issue because of the hard locked stereotypes, yet all the support they get is "man up"?
  • Do I really need to get you look around on just how many "women only" organisations and groups there are none for men as it would be considered sexist?
  • Do I really need to also tell you that all of the above are just the tip of the iceberg?

I don't always preach people of just how bad things are when they are ignorant of it, because believe or not i am mostly a peaceful guy with a somewhat strong opinion and is still learning to be assertive instead of being arrogant. But you have made me to write this up as you have clearly shown in your previous posts here, you really bring the "have no idea" to a level that I can no longer tolerate.

I think in the end of the day it all comes down to "we have bigger fish to fry", instead of nitpicking on female portrayal in this particular game title that doesn't even do it wrong (and still getting better) to begin with.

I have a hard time understanding why being viewed as a saint is even remotely wrong when I am sitting here being told I was born a brute, a rapist and an idiot on a daily basis.

You want more right and be equal? Yeah that's Cool! Just make sure you also understand and acknowledge that when people are equal with you, you also need to be equal with them. This is the core of equality.

It's not "men vs women" but "men&women vs lack of mutual understanding"

EDIT: as a side note, League already had Karma way before Lucian was made, so don't say LoL was devoid of dark skin champs until that point. Sure it was way too less but it's getting better, nothing wrong with it.

RogueWill1 votes

how is ziggs a monster lol?

What about Nidalee Elise Ahri Poppy Evelynn Kalista Kayle Kennen Lulu Morgana Orianna Shyvana Zyra ? How come none of them made to the list when clearly they aren't human?

Fourward1 votes

Ziggs, if you look at him, he is a cat. I don't know about you, but a small talking and walking cat existed, I am sure it would be labeled as a "monster." just like a walking and talking wolf which is called a "lycan, werewolf, etc."

I honestly forgot to add in Kennen, and Fiddlestick...my mistake. I did not include Orianna or blitz, because they are not monsters, but "machines." Yes, they can pass a "non-human humanoids," but I was talking more towards "monsters." Orianna is kinda in the gray-zone for me, anyway.

Now, for Nidalee, Elise, and Shyvana, they is no where a humanoid monster. They are a "human female (with a little detail added to them)" that can transform into a monster. When I look at shyvana, I don't say "damn, she looks like a dragon," but more like "damn, she looks like a human with scales."

I didn't add the rest in, because they don't look any different than humans. look at ahri, she is a human female with fox tails and ears glued on. It's just that I don't label "elf girls" a "monster." I just call them "people with long ears." So Zyra, is a human with plant covering her body, Morgana and Kayle is just a human with wings, Lulu and Poppy is just a small girl, Kalista is just a female with a pale skin. Unless when you look at them and get a first impression of "monster" than "human," I typically just label them as a "human with some non-human like feature."

TL;DR forgot Kennen and Fiddle. Everyone else is more human than monster.

RogueWill1 votes

I label monster from what they come from more than what they look..... that's why I didn't add Vi with her long arms.

Fourward1 votes

Vi is a human...though?

I mean, if that is the case, then wouldn't poppy and Nidalee be considered human? I mean, poppy sure is a "yordle" which automatically labels them as "non-human," and if she is a blacksmith's daughter, does it make her human, or non-human?

And for Nidalee, she came from a Jungle. It's not like she came from the void or anything. If that makes her non-human, so would that make Tarzan, Mogli from Jungle Book also non-human because they came from a jungle?

SkarSkarSkarner1 votes

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Vi is a human...though?

I mean, if that is the case, then wouldn't poppy and Nidalee be considered human? I mean, poppy sure is a "yordle" which automatically labels them as "non-human," and if she is a blacksmith's daughter, does it make her human, or non-human?

And for Nidalee, she came from a Jungle. It's not like she came from the void or anything. If that makes her non-human, so would that make Tarzan, Mogli from Jungle Book also non-human because they came from a jungle?

Poppy is definitely non-human, she's a Yordle.

Fourward1 votes

well, then I guess kalista is also not human because she is a dead spirit.

for me, when I look at poppy, I don't see a "non-human," but an "ugly child with a different skin tone." That is why I did not include Poppy and Lulu, even when they are yordles. But for Teemo and Kennen, I see a badger and a hamster that walks, runs, talks like a human. That is why I included them even if they are yordles.

SkarSkarSkarner1 votes

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well, then I guess kalista is also not human because she is a dead spirit.

for me, when I look at poppy, I don't see a "non-human," but an "ugly child with a different skin tone." That is why I did not include Poppy and Lulu, even when they are yordles. But for Teemo and Kennen, I see a badger and a hamster that walks, runs, talks like a human. That is why I included them even if they are yordles.

Wow...

Laurënt1 votes

HERE IS AN ACTUAL LIST OF FEMALE CHAMPIONS:

Ahri Akali Annie Anivia Ashe Caitlyn Cassiopeia Diana Elise Evelyn Fiora Irelia Janna Jinx Kalista Karma Katarina Kayle LeBlanc Leona Lissandra LuLu Lux Miss Fortune Morgana Nami Nidalee Orianna Poppy Quinn Rek'Sai Riven Sejuani Shyvana Sivir Sona Soraka Syndra Tristana Vayne Vi Zyra

Fourward1 votes

why is my waifu Anivia not in there! >:(

Laurënt1 votes

She is...

Pretty Dhizi1 votes

So..You conclude Anivia as one, but exclude Rek'sai?

Seems confusing.

P.S.

Why the fuck does gender even MATTER? This is a game, not actual life. It's just a digitally represented character. Pixels aren't going to suddenly go 'hey, i'm a dude, so i'd like it if you'd respect that even though i'm just made up of digitized shapes and colors'. Really, gender doesn't mean anything to anyone except those who're either sexist, feminist, or following this 'lost cause' known as 'Female characters are being sexualized, AH NUH'.

You're grasping at straws here. What YOU'RE viewing as sexual representation may not be considered the same for others. It's..Just a game, man. Just a game. Just because something's 'pretty' or 'handsome' doesn't mean they're in it to draw you solely into this game by that fact.

If you want to imagine, just flip the identities of some champions. Make Ahri the opposite of attractive. Then try to read over her background/bio, and try to imagine how that could be possible when you're the opposite of attractive. YES, there are some characters that are sexualized -- but that's solely because of their background story that builds the character. Sure, Cassiopeia is a good example as well, too..

Fourward1 votes

I think you are missing the point.

One, I did not include Anivia and Rek'sai.

Two, I don't care about sexiness, Handsomeness, attractive, etc. I want to see something more different, creative. I just could not help but notice that league of legends (and not limited to this game) usually have a monster-like shape, while females have normal human appearance with monster-like accessories on them.

Three, I agree. why does gender even matter? Why is it that there are only more variety in appearance for male champs, but not much for female champs? If gender truly didn't matter, then why can't there be more monster-like female champions? Since it's "just a game," I think it would be neat to be able to explore with the character's appearance and personality, no?

Pretty Dhizi2 votes

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I think you are missing the point.

One, I did not include Anivia and Rek'sai.

Two, I don't care about sexiness, Handsomeness, attractive, etc. I want to see something more different, creative. I just could not help but notice that league of legends (and not limited to this game) usually have a monster-like shape, while females have normal human appearance with monster-like accessories on them.

Three, I agree. why does gender even matter? Why is it that there are only more variety in appearance for male champs, but not much for female champs? If gender truly didn't matter, then why can't there be more monster-like female champions? Since it's "just a game," I think it would be neat to be able to explore with the character's appearance and personality, no?

Consider the fact that most 'monstrous' personalities/characters or backstories/characterizations tend to lean more heavily towards male identities. It's -- And i'm sure you can agree in some sense -- male character creation tends to be much easier and natural than female characterization of those traits you're talking about here. Most often women are epitomized as more appealing in nature, and for some it's hard to break away from that mindset.

I'm ALL for female champions that fit the character designs like Gnar, Rengar and such. Shyvana/Cassiopeia were probably the closest they stretched to that idea. I wouldn't say that 'the game devs not care about the fantasy-like setting, and only care about sexual representation of women so guys will drool over them' is the idea they're going after, it's just more common to grasp a more appealing female character than a monster-like one. I'd definitely say Riot would be likely of breaking that pattern, it's just a matter of time. Rek'Sai was a good example of them building towards more interesting designs. Just a matter of patience/time.

And I have nothing against you, of course. That Fenrir guy is just plain annoying whenever it comes to anything relevant to female/male champion comparison, A feminist crusader who doesn't want to approach that issue maturely/logically. So you're fine! Sorry if there were misunderstandings. He started out reasonably, but pretty much devolved steadily over the duration of threads relevant to what we're talking about.

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