Riot, either change Twisted Fate or get rid of him.

Agent Cay··1 votes·558 views

Why, Riot? Why do you hate Twisted Fate so much?? Why do you even bother to include him in the game with such a laughably worthless moveset if assassins are going to devour him in mid, and MF and Draven players are going to do the same if he takes bot? Why would you give him both AP and AD scaling if you're just going to demand people play him as a mage? Why do you think anyone wants to play AP TF when there are wildly better options for mages available? Because he's completely out-performed by other mage options. Ziggs has more range and AoE, Ahri has more mobility, Lux has better cc, and Veigar has better AP-scaling. Is the ult supposed to make up for it? Because it's worthless if nobody thinks TF's presence is worth anything, and TF, as he stands, cannot do anything beyond 1v1 duels. Do not try to tell me otherwise. He has no escape, he has a single-target stun, the AoE slow might as well not exist because slows are irrelevant in a meta where everyone- pardon me, everyone else- has a dash or escape of some kind, and his tri-pronged skillshot crawls at the snailest of snail's paces. This means that if TF is ever against more than 1 person and he doesn't have Gunblade already built, he's completely doomed. Jungles see him as easy targets, regardless of the lane he's taken in. In teamfights, an enemy team takes him down like wolves on stray deer, and as a result, NO one is intimidated when they hear him Destiny in- quite the contrary, they run towards him, because they see and hear free gold. Of course they do. You can't play TF and not fall behind, because all anyone needs to do to beat TF is bully him early-game, and he's a complete non-factor. And everyone in the game has that ability against him.

I just... WHY? I want so, so badly to like playing this champion, but it's like trying to love an abusive spouse. And that was before you nerfed Gunblade, then Exhaust...

I just wanted to play him AP/AD hybrid. You built him to have that ability. He's the only one of a handful of champs in the game who gets dual scaling like that.

I like Twisted Fate. I truly do. He's a fun champ. I just... why do you make him this sick, cruel joke? Because it's just not fair or funny.

12 Comments

HalcyonDweller4 votes

Apdo would disagree with you. People at higher levels of play than ours seem to make good use of him. Maybe we just don't play him right....

meowwow72 votes

yeah his ult counters the stealth champ roster easily since it globally reveals all enemy champs on the map for a good 6 seconds (if i remembered that correctly) and they show up to allies

Brain Errör 4044 votes

I feel like people don't respect Apdo enough... Dude's literally one of the greatest league players to date. He consistently has high winrates in challenger, consistently achieves rank 1 whenever he pleases and has absolute control over most of his games. I don't think enough people recognize this dude simply because he doesn't play professional or stream on twitch.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

meowwow74 votes

or you can practice using him to a good potential instead of qq'ing that he sucks because he does take quite a bit of practice to actually be useful

Agent Cay1 votes

Cripes, man, I've been trying. A lot. A lot, a lot. There is just... NO escaping how terrible that early-game is. I thought using him in bot lane would mean that a support could help cover for that deficiency, but it's just not enough. Aggressive opponents completely shut him down, and other ADCs will overpower him every time until TF gets some items he is entirely over-dependent on like the Gunblade.

Once they have that lead, you might as well be playing checkers or some other game, because TF can't recover. He gets targeted in teamfights, he gets poached when making up his farm in lanes, and he has no capacity to escape more than one opponent at a time- unless you blow your ulti, which has a punishingly long cooldown.

FiddlesOnTheRoof1 votes

His early game is fine, because you can blue card to get your mana back and shove the wave. Your opponent will have to go back before you because they'll be out of mana, and you can crash a wave or two into their turret, ult bot, and start snowballing your team.

Agent Cay1 votes

"Out of mana"

I can hear the Zed, Yasuo, and Akali mains laughing now. Pull the other one.

FiddlesOnTheRoof1 votes

So only mana-less champions are strong?

FiddlesOnTheRoof1 votes

Dude, his kit is very strong. He has one of the few point and click stuns left in the game. Your ult+stun+zhonya's is such a great way to initiate a team fight and get your divers onto their carry.

Agent Cay1 votes

That's just it, though- it's a strong stun, but it's completely single-target, meaning he has no capacity beyond 1v1 dueling. If he's ganked or in a teamfight, he's worthless. What's he supposed to do against two champions, stun the one and hope the other built 6 Doran shields or something equally toothless?

This meta has made TF completely obsolete.

FiddlesOnTheRoof1 votes

You could apply similar, limited logic to any champion. TF is, has always been, and will always be, fine. And in skilled hands, completely game changing.

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