Issue with people who constantly saying game is over pre 20 mins

Hughell·Sep 17, 2015·1 votes·393 views

Morale is an important part of any team game and although many do not realize it saying gg in a negative manner is detrimental to the team. This is a behavior that gains nothing and hurts teams chances of making a comeback. I understand that that sometimes there are insurmountable odds but at least for the first 20 mins try your best and if you lose hope do not try to bring your teammates to your level. Honestly i ask to plz stop and then if they persist I report for negative attitude but would rather not come across people who engage in that behavior then have them punished.

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Sky of SmilesSep 17, 20151 votes

I don't want to waste your time; I don't want to waste my time. I'm extremely hard working, goal oriented in an atmosphere/environment where I enjoy myself. I'm willing to help whoever needs it so long as they put in the time and effort needed to achieve a goal that mutually benefits us both.

However, when I see that my ADC who called that role doesn't know how to last hit even when under no pressure from the enemy laner(s) while I'm their Sup and doing my thing, that tells me they didn't put any effort into understanding the basics of the games. I've seen that shit from "Gold ELO" players who talk shit about silvers and bronzes. From Gold ELO and onwards, I expect the player to AT LEAST have some understanding of champion power spikes, strengths and weaknesses, CDs, importance of relevant map awareness/vision control, etc. Yet, they don't - their accounts are just ranked as being in Gold ELO.

If I deduced that my team isn't competent enough to win the match up, I should at the very least be able to suggest that we "surrender at 20" to save eachother time and frustration. Until that surrender of course, we try to play the best that we can based on all the information we have available to us, respectively. If at the 20min mark, 4/5 of us agrees to surrender, we should be able to surrender the match. To me, theres nothing wrong informing your allies beforehand that you believe you should surrender at the 20min mark. If they agree with you, good. If not, then you go on playing doing your best even if the initial surrender vote fails. What would be wrong would be to stop trying and afk or rage quit the game. You can play badly (proxy split push all game), but you don't afk or rage quit ever.

Also, informing your allies of what they're doing which you feel can be improved upon isn't wrong either. If they're playing ADC and they're not last hitting (10cs at 10min mark), I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU TELL THEM TO LAST HIT THE MINIONS! If you're playing Sup and your ADC isn't shoving while theres a particular power spike you feel you can capitalize on by killing the minions yourself, do it. If the ADC rages over it, then let them. Theres nothing wrong with doing whatever you feel you have to do to win just because you're playing to win. Most ppl who whine with such phrases as "tryhard"... I don't want to even listen to them.

Anyways, pt is, a player should be able to suggest to his team to surrender at 20 if he feels like it.

HughellSep 17, 20151 votes

yeah, i agree. But, if team says no it is crucial to keep playing with heart if not for yourself do it for the 4 other people who have hope.

HughellSep 17, 20151 votes

For example just played a game looked bad from champ select with a zed pick into a garen top. Did not go well but other lanes were fine fairly close game our jungle asks to surrender we declined she afked

RueianSep 17, 20151 votes

try harder to pick up people with low morale rather than kicking them while they are already down. You cant stop yourself from falling into low morale, some people have a very fragile emotional state.

HughellSep 17, 20151 votes

Yeah had a game like that. Although, it was fairly close 20% kill difference we were not getting obj. It was a rough game because we had 2 people constantly saying gg and i was trying to say stuff like "there is still a chance and with some strategy we can overcome them" it was an uphill battle the whole way saying "plz try to be positive", "dont try to bring teammates down. " "surrender vote failed just play your best and see where the cards fall". We won but it was an emotionally taxing game. Honestly i just hope people are aware of how powerful morale is in a game and trying to bring it down is sabotaging own team. Pre-20 mins i did say hey just play your heart out we will see at 20 we were matched in kills at 20 although lost some obj. But a game like that is rough and honestly did not enjoy it due to the constant negativity. Hopefully we can shift the community in a positive direction

RueianSep 17, 20151 votes

You dont seem to realize that the people who lose morale and say GG... are playing out their hearts, unless they AFK. They do not see the win, because their experience says it isn't there. You cant force positive outlooks, people will be negative, and really i dont think people who say GG and have low morale deserve to be punished for having a weak emotional state about the game. It is a stressful game, and you cant trust random people, things happen far outside your control, and ultimately the game has lost the fun due to how hostile the community is with this 'toxicity' witch hunt. If you want a positive direction, quit hounding on people who obviously are down. Its one thing if they are harassing you or the team. Its another if they have just lost hope.

HughellSep 17, 20151 votes

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You dont seem to realize that the people who lose morale and say GG... are playing out their hearts, unless they AFK. They do not see the win, because their experience says it isn't there. You cant force positive outlooks, people will be negative, and really i dont think people who say GG and have low morale deserve to be punished for having a weak emotional state about the game. It is a stressful game, and you cant trust random people, things happen far outside your control, and ultimately the game has lost the fun due to how hostile the community is with this 'toxicity' witch hunt. If you want a positive direction, quit hounding on people who obviously are down. Its one thing if they are harassing you or the team. Its another if they have just lost hope.

I dont have a problem with people who have low morale i do have an issue when those people try to bring down teammates as well. Honestly i do not believe LoL is negatively impacted by the toxicity witch hunt, In fact i feel toxicity is detrimental to peoples experience. Honestly I think people should be more civil in their online interactions. I personally feel if u cant express yourself in a polite but straightforward manner then you should lose your chat privileges. If being toxic to other players is how a person enjoys the game then maybe they should be placed with people who engage in that practice. Also i dont mean to kick them when they are down, i just want them to understand that this is a team game and morale is crucial and if they cant support their own morale do not try to bring down teammates to their level.

RueianSep 17, 20151 votes

The toxicity witch hunt has turned into "Say anything remotely negative and get reported" That is not healthy for the game. And being straight forward or blunt, considering that you dont have time to type out what you need to say with a nice tone, also leads to being reported. Literally people are just report happy, if a person wants to have low morale and says that the game is over, pointing out why. It might be a tiny bit annoying, but it isn't nearly worth reporting, and certainly not worth punishing.

I am not talking about people who are 'toxic' because they like to purposefully ruin a player's experience. I am talking about those who are just engrossed emotionally in the game and cant really handle the stress and fall into anger or disappointment. "not everyone can be a rainbow spewing tree huger" some people arn't wired to stay happy when faced with aversion. You can try to raise their morale, but again people react differently. Expecting every person to be a cookie cutter mold of perfection when it comes to emotional control... is frankly offensive

HughellSep 17, 20151 votes

You can criticize and be civil about it often in the same amount of time. Say something like " Plz trinket" or " just focus on CSing" or "try to keep map awareness". But if resorting to insulting teammates that is where i have the issue and we are a far cry in the community where game chat is a healthy environment. if having a witch hunt leads to some excess reports that is a lot better than the toxicity that is commonplace i honestly do not mind the insults but ask that they wait till after game to say them. Imagine games where all criticism is constructive and chat is a tool used for implementing effective strategies doesn't that sound swell. We all have a conception for acceptable behavior but if their chat is detrimental to the team then their behavior needs to be modified. To you it might be trivial but it is sabotaging your own teams morale and a healthy lol community should be everyones goal.

RueianSep 17, 20151 votes

Loss of morale is not purposefully sabotaging your team. And if it was so easy to stay positive I'm sure they would. The community is forcing people to conform, not talking about trolls and those who purposefully ruin games. I am talking about people who get mad or sad in game, people with pessimistic dispositions. You are pointing at them and calling them less than human for their problems, and acting high and mighty. Emotional issues are being targeted, punished, and not helped.

Blade of JusticSep 17, 20151 votes

When it's 2 to 15 and we're down 4 towers before 20, you bet your @$$ I'm calling it.

HughellSep 17, 20151 votes

i agree, but you cant surrender till 20 might as well work on the minor areas u can improve upon while playing to the best of your abilities.

HughellSep 17, 20151 votes

It's not purposeful but expressing negativity is detrimental to your team and alot of people disregard the importance of morale. League chat should not be a platform for expressing your pessimistic dispositions instead the focus on implementing strategies to attain victory. I do not feel that they are less than human, just that engaging in behavior to negatively impact team morale is detrimental to the game. I do not want to demonize them but I want this team sabotaging behavior to cease.