Make a Patch so your own Team Doesn't Ban your Prepick

NINJA JESSICA··3 votes·1,702 views
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Hey Riot can you make a patch so if you PrePick a Champion your own Team cannot ban that Champion? some don't look at Pre-picks and it will Stop Trolls aswell, i Tweeted at @RiotSupport and they think it's a great Idea and to Suggest it here.

Edit: This is Mainly for People that play Serious in Ranked. Edit: You have 20 Secs to Prepick until People can ban, so the ones picked in Prepick cannot be banned, but if they pick after the Banning Starts then that Champion will not be Protected from being banned.

30 Comments

TOgakUre RYU5 votes

Just no. What your intention is is meaningless. If you don't have first pick I am banning the op champs. That simple

NINJA JESSICA1 votes

You Should only Ban Champs that Counter YOU, NOT ones that are OP, if a Person mains that Champ and they have it Prepick and You ban that Champion you are going to Tilt Him/Her and they will probably Feed and Flame in your game (Which has happened loads of times in my games, even Ranked)

Miror B1 votes

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You Should only Ban Champs that Counter YOU, NOT ones that are OP, if a Person mains that Champ and they have it Prepick and You ban that Champion you are going to Tilt Him/Her and they will probably Feed and Flame in your game (Which has happened loads of times in my games, even Ranked)

But then the other team can just take the OP picks and not give a damn about who you take? While I do hate having my pick banned by teammates (which happens in like 40% of my support lb games), I could very easily see people abuse the crap out of this system by either spam-hovering a bunch of different characters (forcing the person banning to have fast fingers or risk a dodging penalty) or hovering over some of those "counter-picks" that have no business being in lane (like a jg hovering annie).

NINJA JESSICA1 votes

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But then the other team can just take the OP picks and not give a damn about who you take? While I do hate having my pick banned by teammates (which happens in like 40% of my support lb games), I could very easily see people abuse the crap out of this system by either spam-hovering a bunch of different characters (forcing the person banning to have fast fingers or risk a dodging penalty) or hovering over some of those "counter-picks" that have no business being in lane (like a jg hovering annie).

You have 30 Secs to Prepick until People can ban, so the ones picked in Prepick cannot be banned and if they pick after Prepick then that Champion will not be Protected, i don't see people abusing the System if it's like that.

dark100dark1001 votes

Dont't play ranked if you don't have 5 champion for your selected role. Actually 10 is better to be safe. You can practice in normal.

And yes, it is worth to ban zed if you pick it last time.

G4LLOWSC4L1BR4TR3 votes

There are valid reasons to ban someone's pick intent though. For example, if you hover Jinx, but you're last pick and I don't want someone on the other team to pick her first, I would probably still ban her, because they're likely to get her first.

NINJA JESSICA1 votes

if the enemy team does pick your champion and you know that champ so well then you should be able to play the counter pick to your Champ, i Main Ahri but if the other team picks Ahri then i pick with Leblanc which Counters Ahri

G4LLOWSC4L1BR4TR1 votes

What about in the case of old Kassadin? Should people just have known how to counter him? Or what if someone plays a lot of different champions and don't know any of them super well? Or perhaps I just don't want to deal with the champion, regardless of if you think you can counter them?

NINJA JESSICA1 votes

Then Don't do Ranked then, Simple. if no-one prepicks Kassadin then just ban him. Just Don't tilt your other Teammates by banning their Prepick Champ, you do not know what champ the Enemy is gonna pick. I'm a Mid Ahri Main, if i'm last pick on my team and no-one prepicks Yasuo then i like to ban him, if i'm 1st pick i ban Leblanc.

G4LLOWSC4L1BR4TR1 votes

So just because I don't wanna deal with a champion and someone could pick them on my team I shouldn't play ranked? Maybe if you can't handle not getting to play your first choice you shouldn't be playing ranked, especially if they're someone likely to get banned.

NINJA JESSICA1 votes

i was meaning when you said "Should people just have known how to counter him? Or what if someone plays a lot of different champions and don't know any of them super well?"

G4LLOWSC4L1BR4TR1 votes

Yeah, but that only accounts for one of the five players in the game. Do I want to risk the other 4 players on my team feeding Cass till they're blue in the face, or should I just ban her and not worry about it in the first place, even if someone wants to play her? I'd say go ahead and ban, and while you're certainly allowed to disagree, that's no reason to prevent me from doing what I genuinely think is best to win the game.

NINJA JESSICA1 votes

if they're feeding cass then you have a bad team of feeders and they should be reported, i've never had a team that's fed Cass. i don't ban other people's Prepicks even if they're last pick.

G4LLOWSC4L1BR4TR1 votes

Ok, fine. They're feeding Jayce, or Kennen, or whoever you think is "OP" at the moment. Point is, if I don't want to worry about if my team can handle a champion or not, I'm going to ban them. You might not do that, but that's no reason to prevent me or anyone else from doing so.

Ark Sorcerer1 votes

If I may, allow me to join this argument. There are two things I wish to bring up: your earlier comment about LeBlanc countering Ahri, which will be the topic of countering in general, and the title of the board. I will start with former.

Before I begin, I want you to think what does the term 'countering' mean in League of Legends. There are a few variations of this term but the primary two are kit dominance and kit superiority. Kit Superiority is due to the stats of two champions, where one seemingly comes out on top. An example is Caitlyn versus Vayne. Caitlyn has the longest base auto attack range in the game versus Vayne, from what is hear, is on the shorter range side of marksmens. From this, Caitlyn would "counter" Vayne as Vayne would have the hardest time ever getting to her. Caitlyn, if played well, can remain in a safe position and always pursue or retreat from Vayne and defeat her just from the stat of their ranges (and other abilities). The only problem with this "counter" is that the player- key word is player, not Vayne- can out perform Caitlyn from knowing how she works as a champion and can use their knowledge to deal with her. This is why in higher elo the term "counters" is not used because knowledge is powerful and knowing how to deal with a champion, regardless of stats, can make it a fair game. This is why Caitlyn is known to be a lane bully in bot lane, due to her superior range. This is not a counter, this is lack of knowledge of how to deal with that champion.

Kit Dominance, in contrast, is the actual kit of a champion can give specific champions a nightmare to deal with. Example: Cassiopeia versus Yasuo. Cassiopeia's Miasma (w) grounds enemies and cannot use movement abilities while inside. This is a counter to Yasuo as he cannot use his .5 second to .1 second dash while in the ability (and probably even his ultimate. as he does go to the target from wherever he is. but I do not have confirmation about Yasuo's Last Breath so I want to merely mention it) and forces him to use less abilities than he could otherwise. This type of dominance in the nature of their kits results in the most experienced Yasuo players being annoyed at the fact that they cannot dash (and for this example, we will say he cannot use his ultimate either) and could result in death or lost kills, especially if the Cassiopeia player knows what she is doing and can use her Miasma at very well times. This an actual "counter" unlike your statement about LeBlanc countering Ahri.

LeBlanc is a burst Assassin (Primary) Mage (Secondary). She gives most, if not all, mid lane mages a hard time. Ahri herself does not have a terribly hard time dealing with her than most other mid lane mages. She is just as annoyed with LeBlanc's all in burst and quick disengage abilities like every other mid lane mage. (Can't wait to see how the rework goes with her! [Sarcasm]). I do not mean to insult you with the following but you are not smart enough (Please do not take it to heart, or at all) to know how LeBlanc works (Season 6 now, Pre-Season 7 soon) to know how to deal with her. Know how LeBlanc works and come up with game plans or strategies on how to deal with her specifically when she appears in your lane.

Know what countering means and know how it works. LeBlanc gives mid lane mages a hard day as a whole; Cassiopeia can destroy a good Yauso player (Presumably if the Cassiopeia player is indeed good herself and know how Yasuo operates as a champion). There is a difference between Superiority and Dominance with their Kits. You will have to learn how to deal with Caitlyn's longer range, but once you do, you don't have to deal with her nonsense. Yasuo will forever hate Miasma and hate that snake.

Ark Sorcerer1 votes

My previous comment took way longer then I had intended to. I am expecting most players are going to just skip it but I wanted to go in depth about "counters."

Going back to the topic of the board, I do believe in first come, first serve. Unless you are on Blue Side First slot- 100% chance of you getting that champion- I will ban a champion I see is a pain, annoyance and do not want anyone to play.

Note I said "anyone" and not "the enemy." There are reasons for players to ban someone's pre-pick on your own side. Example: New Champion is released. When an ally picks a new champion you have to deal with your lack of knowledge- including: their kit (abilities, passive, ult); how the champion works; builds to defense against them; their typical build. These are factors that you do not know how to deal with and you can bet money that your teammate may not know/understand any of these correctly either. Unless they can play the champion well, they will cost the game from their lack of knowledge of the champion. A reason to ban from your teammate.

Other reasons can include: Champion does not have a good insert team topic here (Singed team fights is somewhat poor, and most players would prefer Volibear, as their q's are the same, because Volibear is a better team fighter) Champions that are not usually played well. (Evelynn [Season 6 anyway] and Lee Sin [People complain about player's Sonic Wave (q) Accuracy])

DrCyanide2 votes

I'm 100% up for a warning indicator that you're about to ban an allies intended pick. I think it's a great idea that would save a lot of needless heartache.

I'm not OK with being unable to ban the intended pick. That would inevitably cause far more problems than it solves. You will get people queuing up as Support, hovering whatever champion is the most broke that patch, and saying they'll keep hovering it until someone trades them roles.

NINJA JESSICA1 votes

That's a good idea, but why would they Pick support if they Didn't want support and i'm talking about people that play in Ranked btw not normals and if they do that in Ranked then someone should just not Lock in so they don't play with them kind of people and just report them

DrCyanide1 votes

Shorter queue times would be the motivation.

Following the letter of the law, there's nothing against asking players to trade positions, nor hovering a champion you don't intend to play, nor picking a role you're bad at, nor picking a champion you perform terribly on. If worded right, there's "nothing wrong" with this blackmail system, Ranked or not.

Crett1 votes

for real. people sometimes use it to "counter" my "troll picks". i can pick Yi bot if i Heckin want to it's normals ya got dang pettifoggin teenage get off my lawn got dang

NINJA JESSICA1 votes

i've seen Yi adc, even i've done Yi adc, i've done Zed adc aswell (Zed worked well against Long Range Champions), i don't have a problem with Yi bot, but Yi is a Melee Champion and probably wouldn't be Viable against a Long range adc

R7 Factor1 votes

If you pre-pick troll/contested/permabanned shit, it's probably gonna get banned

NINJA JESSICA1 votes

What about the People who play Serious? or does great with a new Meta? ROX went Miss Fortune Support in Worlds and Won, now loads of people have started to go MF support

R7 Factor1 votes

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What about the People who play Serious? or does great with a new Meta? ROX went Miss Fortune Support in Worlds and Won, now loads of people have started to go MF support

There's a difference between "off meta" and "troll shit", And addressing the MF pick just because ROX picked MF support and won doesn't mean it's ok to blind pick it into solo queue, professional play goes by entirely different rules, and even though I don't know enough about the game to understand exactly why they picked her, It was probably a specific counter for that specific situation

NINJA JESSICA1 votes

well if they Troll in Ranked and they Feed like Duck and you Lose you can Report them. i've seen 2 adc or 2 AP bot Before so it's not a new thing, i Went Teemo adc in Ranked awhile ago, people thought i was trolling but i went 15/4 had a Quadra Kill and we won.

R7 Factor1 votes

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well if they Troll in Ranked and they Feed like Duck and you Lose you can Report them. i've seen 2 adc or 2 AP bot Before so it's not a new thing, i Went Teemo adc in Ranked awhile ago, people thought i was trolling but i went 15/4 had a Quadra Kill and we won.

Good for you, but the pick alone probably caused your team to tilt and rage, and to no one's surprise, when your team is tilting and raging you're less likely to win

NINJA JESSICA1 votes

They Never tilted or Raged becaused i explained to them before game (Explaining Helps), if it was a champion who didn't fit the role then they would probably Flame me, like Probably Poppy or Udyr Mid Lane

PhDs Nuts1 votes

Why does this idea keep getting put on the boards? This would never work.

NINJA JESSICA1 votes

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You have 30 Secs to Prepick until People can ban, so the ones picked in Prepick cannot be banned and if they pick after Prepick then that Champion will not be Protected, i don't see people abusing the System if it's like that.

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