When an enemy is fed, but you shut them down in a 1 vs 1 fight.

From what I've heard about the destruction of metropolis compared to marvel movies. You see a LARGE amount of effort in marvel movies to keep innocents out of the fight. Look at the hulkbuster scene in avengers 2, stark cant get hulk away from people but you see the effort at every stage. I never recall superman putting any level of effort into getting zod out of the city, not even a single line of dialogue.

The neck snap thing...well you can argue tat if you had the chance to snap his neck why didn't you just do something to make him close his eyes or gauge his eyes out. It also goes back to how pure superman is supposed to be and what not.

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The Avengers did not fight a weapon as rapidly devastating as the World Engine (which caused 9/10s of the damage before Superman could destroy it), they certainly didn't fight Kryptonians, and they had a team of experienced heroes, whereas Superman was alone and very inexperienced. You can hardly compare the two.

And where did Superman choose to have his 1v1 fight? I can't fault the character too much for the World Engine damage, as that would have been comparable no matter who was trying to stop it. I can fault Superman for ignoring everyone else and having his fight in the middle of the city. I don't buy the "he's a new superhero" excuse for that either. Look at Iron Man in the first movie, when he gets pushed by the road. He doesn't just stay there and think "I think this'll be a nice place to have my 1v1", he gets out of there as soon as he can, taking the fight away from other people (both into the sky as Superman could do or to the unoccupied Ark Reactor). I don't think it's his genius that lead to that decision either.

Also, you say Superman is too OP, but when he barely defeats Zod, which means that the World Engine was running for awhile before he could stop it, you complain he didn't stop Zod and Stop Metropolis from being destroyed?

This is the problem with the Superman franchise in general. How do you challenge an OP character? You create even more OP stuff to throw at him! The Hulk has similar issues in his comics, where a lot of the opposition he goes up against are just bigger, stronger monstrosities. It results in both just spiraling to more and more absurd levels of OP, both for the hero's and the villains.

And where did Superman choose to have his 1v1 fight?

Zod chose the spot for the fight. If Superman tried to leave Metropolis, Zod would just fly back in and start killing people again. Zod wanted to cause as much collateral damage as possible. What was Superman supposed to do, sit outside the city hoping Zod joins him? How many more thousands would have died if he did that?

don't buy the "he's a new superhero" excuse for that either. Look at Iron Man in the first movie, when he gets pushed by the road.

Iron Man made plenty of mistakes in his first movie (and in all following movies). The difference is, Iron Man's enemies cannot destroy half a city because of a small mistake. (although it was Tony's mistake that spawned Ultron, and he caused crazy damage. It was just more spread out) Also, Tony Stark was already very knowledgeable of military action and tactics before he became Iron Man, whereas Clark grew up on a farm.

He doesn't just stay there and think "I think this'll be a nice place to have my 1v1", he gets out of there as soon as he can, taking the fight away from other people (both into the sky as Superman could do or to the unoccupied Ark Reactor).

This is because Tony's enemy was trying to kill him, whereas Zod was trying to kill as large a number as possible. This is very different. If Tony ran, his enemy would follow. If Superman ran, the enemy would not follow.

This is the problem with the Superman franchise in general. How do you challenge an OP character? You create even more OP stuff to throw at him!

When he is not challenged you are not happy, but when he is challenged then you are equally uphappy...

Would be nicer if more people just be like me and straight up admit they hate superman and other flying brick tropes. Alot of my friends are huge comics nerds (I kinda am too) and they get really huffy when I say this but it's pretty true that while superman is a classic comic staple he is poorly designed.

As for OP, he really is. When the main thing isn't people/villians even trying to kill superman but that he loses when he can't stop people/cities being destroyed.

Actually reminds me of that superman game where you lose based on how many buildings get destroyed xD

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In one part, I just want to insert a Team America reference here. lol

But on a properly serious note, you make a good point. Each "transformers" movie that came out after the first one was only made possible because not enough people spoke out against the first movie being so badly done. They watched it, thought it was terrible, and then looked no further. But then they kept this careless attitude up when they continued to watch the next 3 movies, and finally by then people had had enough of Michael Bay's crap (thank goodness that came in time to save at least part of the "Turtles" movie).

But the point is that we do need to acknowledge that things like the Dragon Ball and Airbender movies happened or else we'll just end up making more of the same horrible stuff (if you'll notice we haven't heard anything about more of these franchises have we?). The Spiderman franchise does this to a point in that the newest movies, while not great, don't make the same mistakes as the previous ones (albeit they do make newer mistakes of their own).

And then we have Avengers and very recently Mad Max Fury Road. If those are not movies done right then I don't think anyone knows how to make one.

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